WideNine Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/trump-legal-team-cases-dropped-436492 ... And ‘legal strategy’ should be in quotes,” said Ben Ginsberg, a veteran Republican election law attorney who headed the famed Florida recount team that ultimately led to George W. Bush becoming president. Ginsberg chuckled at one hapless Michigan lawyer who filed an election challenge Thursday evening in a federal claims court in Washington, D.C., the wrong venue, and bizarrely titled it, “Donald Trump v. USA,” as if the president was suing the nation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, WideNine said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/trump-legal-team-cases-dropped-436492 ... And ‘legal strategy’ should be in quotes,” said Ben Ginsberg, a veteran Republican election law attorney who headed the famed Florida recount team that ultimately led to George W. Bush becoming president. Ginsberg chuckled at one hapless Michigan lawyer who filed an election challenge Thursday evening in a federal claims court in Washington, D.C., the wrong venue, and bizarrely titled it, “Donald Trump v. USA,” as if the president was suing the nation. that has been the general theme. He had no lawyers in place before the election. Then couldn’t get people. Lawyers he got backed out. Bad look for a leader. Kind of like how he handled COVID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Why does it feel like this music is playing whenever the Trump legal team is doing anything? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Andre McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, a Republican, and a supporter of Trump’s reelection campaign, tells it like it is: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/ It’s over in PA, and therefore over everywhere. Even if the Trump campaign wins on the issues the courts have kept afloat, those wins could only impact a small fraction of Biden’s lead, now on the order of 70-80,000 votes. Meanwhile, they throw decrepit old wanker Rudy Giuliani before a judge for the first time since 1992 to make a fool of himself with silly, sputtering arguments. All the respectable attorneys have now bailed. Does anyone with the levers of power in the Republican Party (that would be Mitch) have the guts to tell Trump it is truly over? Because it is. The rest of this is campaign (2024?) and fundraising nonsense. Let’s move on. Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Trump is finished, but his supporters refuse to see the writing on the wall. The lawyers are quitting, they're getting laughed out of federal court day after day and the election is over. Only Rudy Guiliani is left to lie for Trump, and they see right through his BS. There was no fraud and the vote wasn't rigged. Voters delivered Republicans victories all over the country in the Senate, House, and state level that were unexpected, but they were sick of Trump and couldn't bring themselves to vote for him too. The US wanted to return to normalcy, and they likely will. This was a referendum on Trumpism, and it was soundly defeated. Edited November 19, 2020 by jrober38 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Andre McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, a Republican, and a supporter of Trump’s reelection campaign, tells it like it is: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/ The National Review, I am sure, is part of the Deep State swamp FoxNews leftist state these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 8:20 PM, Backintheday544 said: that has been the general theme. He had no lawyers in place before the election. Then couldn’t get people. Lawyers he got backed out. Bad look for a leader. Kind of like how he handled COVID. One of the reasons many backed out is because of personal attacks they got, as well as threats. Totally despicable behavior, fanned by The Lincoln Project, a group I saw as an important, effective, and good tool in defeating Trump. But populism often goes too far and this in this case, they did IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 just have to muddy the waters. slam the chinese angle that china helped biden win the election and we have 2-3 years of investigations and you put a few of bidens friends and kid in jail over this and we get to the next election. thats the new normal right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, aristocrat said: just have to muddy the waters. slam the chinese angle that china helped biden win the election and we have 2-3 years of investigations and you put a few of bidens friends and kid in jail over this and we get to the next election. thats the new normal right? Wouldn't surprise me but I hope not. I hope the parties find a way bit by bit to regain some semblance of adult behavior and civility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Wouldn't surprise me but I hope not. I hope the parties find a way bit by bit to regain some semblance of adult behavior and civility. that's friggin hilarious. we haven't seen it for the last four years and now lets be civil. classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, shoshin said: Wouldn't surprise me but I hope not. I hope the parties find a way bit by bit to regain some semblance of adult behavior and civility. Doubt it the republican party is basically a mad house anymore. 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: that's friggin hilarious. we haven't seen it for the last four years and now lets be civil. classic. Just b.c the last 4 years the republicans didn't want to be civil doesn't mean they cannot start now... Well maybe it is too late. There he is @Big Gun who has never once posted anything legitimate. Just calls people idiots b.c he wants to feel good about himself. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: that's friggin hilarious. we haven't seen it for the last four years and now lets be civil. classic. Four? We havent seen civility since Newt started it in 1996, and it only ramped up when the black guy got into office. Your memory cant be failing that badly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, TBBills said: Doubt it the republican party is basically a mad house anymore. Just b.c the last 4 years the republicans didn't want to be civil doesn't mean they cannot start now... Well maybe it is too late. just seeing things how you want to see them i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Four? We havent seen civility since Newt started it in 1996, and it only ramped up when the black guy got into office. Your memory cant be failing that badly. Oh yes Republicans hated him so much, they were horrible with him. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: just seeing things how you want to see them i guess Irony of that post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: Oh yes Republicans hated him so much, they were horrible with him. Irony of that post... yours is also very ironic. do you actually believe the dems have acted civil in any way the last four years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Trump's lawyers are now suggesting that the election was rigged by the late Hugo Chavez and the supposed election stealing efforts are funded by "communist money". Obviously they present zero proof to back up their claims. At this point why are these lunatics allowed on television? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, aristocrat said: yours is also very ironic. do you actually believe the dems have acted civil in any way the last four years? Do you actually believe the Repubs have acted civil in any way in the last four years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, TBBills said: Do you actually believe the Repubs have acted civil in any way in the last four years? actually moreso than the dems who started their impeachment before trump ever got into office 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: Do you actually believe the Repubs have acted civil in any way in the last four years? but answer my question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Hell, do you even think Trump has ever acted civil in his 4 years? 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: actually moreso than the dems who started their impeachment before trump ever got into office but answer my question Moreso than the Repubs especially Trump since he has been nothing but corrupt and a lier since he got into office. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Hell, do you even think Trump has ever acted civil in his 4 years? Moreso than the Repubs especially Trump since he has been nothing but corrupt and a lier since he got into office. pulled the troops out of overseas, failed to start a conflict for the first time in like 50 years or something, passed a crime bill that will lower prison population, negotiated peace in the middle east, continued to destroy isis, economy grew, lowered the hate crimes for the first time since obama was in office. you know good stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: pulled the troops out of overseas, failed to start a conflict for the first time in like 50 years or something, passed a crime bill that will lower prison population, negotiated peace in the middle east, continued to destroy isis, economy grew, lowered the hate crimes for the first time since obama was in office. you know good stuff With Republicans not wanting troops out, of course the most corruptan has a way with other corrupt people, passed a crime bill that was stalemated for years in Congress b.c a democrat would have been the one to take the congrats, has not lowered hate crime actually worse hate crime now than there has been on years. Any other lies you been told? I don't even know where you got the hate crime statistics but I have a feeling I know exactly where just want you to confirm. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: With Republicans not wanting troops out, of course the most corruptan has a way with other corrupt people, passed a crime bill that was stalemated for years in Congress b.c a democrat would have been the one to take the congrats, has not lowered hate crime actually worse hate crime now than there has been on years. Any other lies you been told? according to the fbi hate crime lowered during their last study. it had increased the previous 6-7 years or so. i'm not sure what language the first part of that sentence was. but he did in fact draw the troops down and the bill did pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 7:46 PM, WideNine said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/trump-legal-team-cases-dropped-436492 ... And ‘legal strategy’ should be in quotes,” said Ben Ginsberg, a veteran Republican election law attorney who headed the famed Florida recount team that ultimately led to George W. Bush becoming president. Ginsberg chuckled at one hapless Michigan lawyer who filed an election challenge Thursday evening in a federal claims court in Washington, D.C., the wrong venue, and bizarrely titled it, “Donald Trump v. USA,” as if the president was suing the nation. You notice how a not a single Trumpie has commented on this, they are brainwashed to ignore anything negative towards Cult Leader Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, aristocrat said: that's friggin hilarious. we haven't seen it for the last four years and now lets be civil. classic. We won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Going somewhere productive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, TBBills said: You notice how a not a single Trumpie has commented on this, they are brainwashed to ignore anything negative towards Cult Leader Trump. I noticed, and I am trying to be more nice in my replies so they do not all run away to Parler which to me is about the same as falling into the Q-Anon alternate universe. I have watched interviews with folks who manage to break out of that virtual world and I find there are striking similarities to the kind of withdrawal symptoms you observe from those who manage to leave a cult. It would make for an interesting psychology paper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: We won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Well we won't be civil because they're not civil Going somewhere productive? Nothing can be done the Trumpies refuse to so just need to ignore them. Better to ignore the crazy Trumpies than indulge. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, TBBills said: Nothing can be done the Trumpies refuse to so just need to ignore them. Better to ignore the crazy than indulge. why not try really listening? not agree. just listen. see where others are coming from. accept that their life and perspective is different from yours. accept that you can be, and are, wrong. accept that your blanket statements are not helpful. there is so much more, start there. and if you can't seem to figure it out, find a role model who does have it figured out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, TBBills said: Nothing can be done the Trumpies refuse to so just need to ignore them. Better to ignore the crazy Trumpies than indulge. Yes ignore all republicans when we will have a republican majority in the senate (runoffs are shoe in for republicans in GA) and then do executive orders which will be challenged in court. We’ll see how the Dems like it when every one of their moves are halted by some judge somewhere and challenged until it reaches the Supreme Court and dies. Have fun! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Yes ignore all republicans when we will have a republican majority in the senate (runoffs are shoe in for republicans in GA) and then do executive orders which will be challenged in court. We’ll see how the Dems like it when every one of their moves are halted by some judge somewhere and challenged until it reaches the Supreme Court and dies. Have fun! yep, poor politics on both sides. it is really too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Yes ignore all republicans when we will have a republican majority in the senate (runoffs are shoe in for republicans in GA) and then do executive orders which will be challenged in court. We’ll see how the Dems like it when every one of their moves are halted by some judge somewhere and challenged until it reaches the Supreme Court and dies. Have fun! You guys are still trying to kill Obamacare, lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: why not try really listening? not agree. just listen. see where others are coming from. accept that their life and perspective is different from yours. accept that you can be, and are, wrong. accept that your blanket statements are not helpful. there is so much more, start there. and if you can't seem to figure it out, find a role model who does have it figured out. You guys cant be serious with this, right? When has it ever once occurred the other way? When have you or any Republican ever accepted they were wrong? Or even accepted that someone else may have a different life perspective? When you are denying gay rights? When you are tearing children away from their families for simply wanting a better life? When you are yelling "ALL Lives Matter" and "He was no angel" in response to folks protesting en masse because police are murdering people? But now the Presidency has flipped and all of a sudden you want to be "listened to". We heard enough the last 4 years while they were "owning libs". I know exactly where they are coming from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 41 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: why not try really listening? not agree. just listen. see where others are coming from. accept that their life and perspective is different from yours. accept that you can be, and are, wrong. accept that your blanket statements are not helpful. there is so much more, start there. and if you can't seem to figure it out, find a role model who does have it figured out. I do try to listen to the other side. The problem is most of it is genuinely deranged fear mongering nonsense. Nothing but slippery slope arguments ($15 minimum wage will lead to communism in 6 months!!") or insane conspiracy theories ("Kamala Harris is going to round up and execute all Catholics!"). Pete Buttigieg put it really well in his book: people want to return to an ideal time that was only ideal for a select group of people. Sure, there were jobs aplenty, but if you were a female you were limited to a teacher or a secretary, while minorities were stuck to the hard labor and farm work. Our ideal is yet to come, and it involves all people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said: Yes ignore all republicans when we will have a republican majority in the senate (runoffs are shoe in for republicans in GA) and then do executive orders which will be challenged in court. We’ll see how the Dems like it when every one of their moves are halted by some judge somewhere and challenged until it reaches the Supreme Court and dies. Have fun! Trumpies not all republicans are Turmpies. Republicans dont even like Trumpies b/c they make republicans look bad. I doubt the dems do anything that stupid b.c they are not named Trump. I love the what ifs that Trumpies say... Still waiting for the fix to Obamacare lol 1 hour ago, dickleyjones said: why not try really listening? not agree. just listen. see where others are coming from. accept that their life and perspective is different from yours. accept that you can be, and are, wrong. accept that your blanket statements are not helpful. there is so much more, start there. and if you can't seem to figure it out, find a role model who does have it figured out. See you cannot even stop for one second to do that with this response... hypocritical bull####. Thanks for making our collective point on the Right Wing Nutbags. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: You guys cant be serious with this, right? When has it ever once occurred the other way? When have you or any Republican ever accepted they were wrong? Or even accepted that someone else may have a different life perspective? When you are denying gay rights? When you are tearing children away from their families for simply wanting a better life? When you are yelling "ALL Lives Matter" and "He was no angel" in response to folks protesting en masse because police are murdering people? But now the Presidency has flipped and all of a sudden you want to be "listened to". We heard enough the last 4 years while they were "owning libs". I know exactly where they are coming from. me? i accept i am wrong, quite often. i also absolutely accept that most others have a different life perspective. that's the reason I try my best to listen. it is a part of how i get along with others. try it, it is rather freeing. i do not deny gay rights. i do not tear children away from anyone. i do not yell "all lives matter". and i am surely not a republican, nor am i a democrat. i'm a canadian. i look sadly upon my friends to the south. Republicans and Democrats. sad because your country is a great one, so much to offer, yet you are bogging yourselves down in self-righteousness. all i am suggesting is you listen to each other. does that really deserve the rebuke you lashed out with? is that not something you should consider? or is it now 4 years of hell because "they" did it last time? you do see how that is a never ending cycle, yes? it just screams of childishness. obligatory: sorry. 58 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I do try to listen to the other side. The problem is most of it is genuinely deranged fear mongering nonsense. Nothing but slippery slope arguments ($15 minimum wage will lead to communism in 6 months!!") or insane conspiracy theories ("Kamala Harris is going to round up and execute all Catholics!"). then you are not really listening. listening requires you to actually engage. asks questions to clarify. dialogue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, TBBills said: See you cannot even stop for one second to do that with this response... hypocritical bull####. Thanks for making our collective point on the Right Wing Nutbags. i'm sorry, i don't know what you mean. what is hypocritical about suggesting you listen to each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, dickleyjones said: accept that you can be, and are, wrong. accept that your blanket statements are not helpful Yea that sounds like you want us to listen to each other... stop hiding your bull#### agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: Yea that sounds like you want us to listen to each other... stop hiding your bull#### agenda. what agenda is that? what is wrong about asking you to accept that you can be and are wrong about things? i am wrong about things. i make baseless assumptions sometimes and have to correct myself. i can be insensitive sometimes. i'm sure there are many other examples. are you saying that you are not wrong about anything? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, dickleyjones said: what agenda is that? what is wrong about asking you to accept that you can be and are wrong about things? i am wrong about things. i make baseless assumptions sometimes and have to correct myself. i can be insensitive sometimes. i'm sure there are many other examples. are you saying that you are not wrong about anything? Not wrong about what is being talked about. Are you just full of stupid cliches or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, TBBills said: Not wrong about what is being talked about. Are you just full of stupid cliches or what? what is a Trumpy (Trumpie?)? why do you believe that all Trumpies are the same? edit: still waiting for what you think my agenda is. Edited November 19, 2020 by dickleyjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, TBBills said: Nothing can be done the Trumpies refuse to so just need to ignore them. Better to ignore the crazy Trumpies than indulge. How old were you when you dropped out of school ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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