Delusional Patriot Writer laments Bills win because it hurt the Pats chances to win the AFC East

[JMF2006]

I think their chances were hurt big time losing to the Bills 2 weeks ago

[Ghost_002!]

at this point...makes not sense for the Pats to try to make the playoffs. I wanna think BB knows that..

 

I mean they could of easily have been 6-2-with last sec loses to seattle and buffalo...but I am all for regrouping for next season. 

[steven50]

On 11/10/2020 at 10:39 AM, P Riv said:

 

Sounds good, but seems apples to oranges to me.  Before Belichick was Pete Carrol and Bill Parcells.  As long as the Kraft family owns that team they aren't going to look like the 2000's Bills.

 

Bill Parcells was already the coach of the team when Kraft bought it and as is oft noted but frequently ignored, Bellicheck has a losing record as a coach when he doesn't have Brady.

 

Pete Carrol lasted three years in New England. Finishing (afc east) 1st once and 4th twice.

Bill Parcells coached 4 years in New England finishing (afc east) 1st once, 2nd once, and 4th twice.

 

Kraft fired them both.

 

Bellicheck is not a coaching evil genius. He is just a good coach that got lucky with one of the top 5 qb's in history. 

 

Kraft is not some great coach magnet he got lucky with a guy that was already there when he showed up. Then he did go out and get someone regarded as a great but fired him over personal differences. Then he got Bellicheck who was not highly regarded at the time and who got lucky with a late draft pick that no one else thought much of at the time named Brady. Brady only got to play because of an injury to the starter. No one at the time including Kraft or BB expected him to turn into what he did.

 

We have to stop suffering from battered wives syndrome when it comes to the patriots.

 

Edited November 15, 2020 by steven50
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[Ghost_002!]

7 minutes ago, steven50 said:

 

Bill Parcells was already the coach of the team when Kraft bought it and as is oft noted but frequently ignored, Bellicheck has a losing record as a coach when he doesn't have Brady.

 

Pete Carrol lasted three years in New England. Finishing 1st once and 4th twice.

Bill Parcells coached 4 years in New England finishing 1st once, 2nd once, and 4th twice.

 

Kraft fired them both.

 

Bellicheck is not a coaching evil genius. He is just a good coach that guy lucky with one of the top 5 qb's in history. 

 

Kraft is not some great coach magnet he got lucky with a guy that was already there when he showed up. Then he did go out and get someone regarded as a great but fired him over personal differences. Then he got Bellicheck who was not highly regarded at the time and who got lucky with a late draft pick that no one else thought much of at the time named Brady. Brady only got to play because of an injury to the starter. No one at the time including Kraft or BB expected him to turn into what he did.

 

We have to stop suffering from battered wives syndrome when it comes to the patriots.

 

 

ha ha at just a good coach..

 

someone needs to look at his resume a little deeper...and who the hell every called Kraft a coach magnet...do you realize how owning a team works. If BB left tomorrow and for the sake of the discussion Kraft called up Jim harbaugh and offer him full control of the team. He would sign right? 

 

 

[Doc]

54 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

After the Ravens they go to Houston which at least on paper could get them to 5-5 assuming they pull off a big upset this week first.

 

Then they get the Cardinals at home (who could be in the middle of an extended losing streak with games against Buffalo and @ Seattle next), and at San Diego which on paper is also winnable. After that @ LA Rams which will be tough but theoretically if they were 7-6 heading into the final 3 weeks against the Dolphins, Bills and Jets the division and/or playoffs would still be in sight given their current 2-1 standings against the AFC East.

 

Not saying it's going to happen but as I've said before until the Patriots are truly mathematically out of this it's premature to pour dirt on them.

 

If they can beat the Ravens, it might signal that they've turned a corner.  If not, they have no shot to even be a wildcard team.

[CircleTheWagons99]

On 11/9/2020 at 12:45 PM, Greg S said:

Next week they are on SNF against the Ravens. I wonder if the league will flex that game. The Ravens are probably going to kill them. Why risk having another blowout game on primetime just like NO-TB was.

Because it’s the Pats, won’t get flexed. 

[Like A Mofo]

Pats fans think some magic wand will be waved soon and they will assume what they see as their birthright atop the AFC East with ease.

 

Here is the delusion: This isnt the 6-10 Dolphins and 7-9 Bills anymore. Both franchises are here to stay.

Pats fans will find out the hard way soon enough.

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

Pats fans think some magic wand will be waved soon and they will assume what they see as their birthright atop the AFC East with ease.

 

Here is the delusion: This isnt the 6-10 Dolphins and 7-9 Bills anymore. Both franchises are here to stay.

Pats fans will find out the hard way soon enough.

 

And then even more when Belicheat retires at the end of the season, or next season.

[billsfan_34]

On 11/9/2020 at 12:33 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I have a feeling the Pats might just lose tonight.

I had that feeling- it came down the the wire. 

[mjt328]

Not sure what people are smoking with the "favorable schedule" nonsense.  The Patriots upcoming slate is extremely difficult.

 

Five of their remaining 8 games are against teams with winning records.

That doesn't count the Texans or Chargers, who are both way better than their current records.

 

 

 

 

[Nextmanup]

On 11/9/2020 at 12:27 PM, matter2003 said:

The first step in admitting anything is acceptance...clearly he has not accepted the Patriots demise. They are not winning anything this year. They aren't even going to a wildcard. They might actually lose to the Jets.

 

He writes the Bills win hurt the Pats ability to win the AFC East because the Pats had a good chance to make up ground. Claims winning the division isn't an impossible task but it just got harder. This dude is certifiable.

 

Come on man...just give it up already...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-upset-seahawks-even-harder-200322424.html

Actually, acceptance is the fifth and final stage of "Grief" which is where I think you were heading with your comment.

 

The first stage is denial, and that's right where this writer seems to be right now.

 

 

[steven50]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

ha ha at just a good coach..

 

someone needs to look at his resume a little deeper.

 

 If by someone you mean me I just did.

 

BB is 51-65 as a head coach without Tom Brady which includes a  21-25 New England record without Brady. So far he is a sub .500 coach without Brady with a record comparable to Norv Turner, Jack Del Rio, or Lou Saban.

 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

On 11/9/2020 at 1:07 PM, matter2003 said:

 

Hahahahaha...I TOTALLY forgot about this!!  Why do the Bills always screw things up???

 

Watch them screw it up again against Arizona.

[Ghost_002!]

14 minutes ago, steven50 said:

 If by someone you mean me I just did.

 

BB is 51-65 as a head coach without Tom Brady which includes a  21-25 New England record without Brady. So far he is a sub .500 coach without Brady with a record comparable to Norv Turner, Jack Del Rio, or Lou Saban.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I am referring to you because If you did, you would know. Every great coach has great player(s). 

 

Don Shula w Marino

Walsh w Montana 

Etc.

 

And BB is not the same coach he was in Cleveland. I know his detractors can't understand that cause after all. The Browns had all those great coaches after he left..

 

BB had his defensive game plan w the giants in the SB elected into the HOF

 

Won his first SB against the rams with Tom Brady not being Tom Brady yet..won his last SB so far without Tom Brady not doing anything...

 

BB with his JV squad could easily of been 6-2 this year all things considering...there is quite a few things you can see of his resume that would show he is a great coach..

 

The numerous times he has confused the hell out of Manning for one...

 

[Punching Bag]

23 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

From what I’ve heard is that Jerry Jones wants Lawrence

 

Makes a lot more sense than paying $35-$40M a year for Dak.

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Sounds good, but seems apples to oranges to me.  Before Belichick was Pete Carrol and Bill Parcells.  As long as the Kraft family owns that team they aren't going to look like the 2000's Bills.  We had an owner who was looking to run a business, not win a championship.  

They have a ton of cap room for next year, opt outs coming back and they're developing young players for depth this year.  Not sure what our cap and FA situation is, but they'll likely endure this year and be back in the mix next year.  They need a QB, which means they'll trade down in the draft and get DT and O-line... lol  Probably draft a QB in round 6.  

Hahahaha. Ok. Kraft went to one Super Bowl without Brady and Belichick. They lost. Keep thinking Kraft and Belichick will right the ship.  It just makes the slip into the abyss that more fun to watch. 

[Punching Bag]

21 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Then what was the curb stomping of Brady-led Bucs? A fine port wine?

 

Clearly that was a very old single malt scotch whiskey.

5 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Sounds good, but seems apples to oranges to me.  Before Belichick was Pete Carrol and Bill Parcells.  As long as the Kraft family owns that team they aren't going to look like the 2000's Bills.  We had an owner who was looking to run a business, not win a championship.   

 

The owner went out and hired the best candidate for GM from the Steelers tree and fans were enthusiastic about hire at the time.

He was given full power something which was not given to GMs before.

It did not work out and he became a power hungry madman alienating the fan base.

Retroactive alternate history is for novels.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Because it’s the Pats, won’t get flexed. 

 

Last time they flexed the P*ts due to COVID they had a great ratings game even in last quarter.

Seeing New England get a beat down is popular game.

[steven50]

 

9 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

And BB is not the same coach he was in Cleveland.

 

 

BB is 21- 25 in New England without Brady. You can keep posting whatever you want but that number wont get any better this season as a matter of fact I bet it gets worse. He has a losing record without Brady in New England and in Cleveland.

 

We have had a ton of coaches that had sub .500 records without Jim Kelly, a lot of them had a couple of great games. That doesn't make them a genius.

[P Riv]

8 hours ago, steven50 said:

 

 

BB is 21- 25 in New England without Brady. You can keep posting whatever you want but that number wont get any better this season as a matter of fact I bet it gets worse. He has a losing record without Brady in New England and in Cleveland.

 

We have had a ton of coaches that had sub .500 records without Jim Kelly, a lot of them had a couple of great games. That doesn't make them a genius.

 

They're just plain average or even bad this year, so betting that they don't win much this year is pretty safe.  Not much talent, lots of injuries, opt outs and incompetent QB play must all be bad coaching?  lol

He's the last coach to win a playoff game for Cleveland, he went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, had brilliant defensive game plans in the SB against HoF'ers Elway, Kelly and Warner... He's got 8 SB rings and 3 Conf Championship rings.  

I'm simply acknowledging that he's kind of accomplished...  They'll be back next year, so we better build some momentum.  As the Div winner, we'll play all of the other Div winners next year, they won't.  As much as we want them to suck for the next 10 years, I just don't think that's reality and I'm not drinking the Kool aid.

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 11/10/2020 at 9:46 AM, BisonMan said:

Flacco's bomb attempt with a wide open guy underneath was definitely a numbskull move. A few first downs and they would have forced Cam to throw a lot of balls downfield...where bad things happen to him.

 

To misquote your moniker, Flacco was thinking, "All of these interceptions will be lost...like tears in the rain...Time to die".

 

Wow.

 

I am impressed.  Doesnt happen here very often.  Great reference.

 

One of my favorite movies and favorites scenes of all time.

 

 

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

They're just plain average or even bad this year, so betting that they don't win much this year is pretty safe.  Not much talent, lots of injuries, opt outs and incompetent QB play must all be bad coaching?  lol

He's the last coach to win a playoff game for Cleveland, he went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, had brilliant defensive game plans in the SB against HoF'ers Elway, Kelly and Warner... He's got 8 SB rings and 3 Conf Championship rings.  

I'm simply acknowledging that he's kind of accomplished...  They'll be back next year, so we better build some momentum.  As the Div winner, we'll play all of the other Div winners next year, they won't.  As much as we want them to suck for the next 10 years, I just don't think that's reality and I'm not drinking the Kool aid.

 

He will be 69 next year...will not coach forever...Father Time is still undefeated even with coaches...based on his man boobs you saw as he jogged onto the field last week I would say he isn't in the same type of shape as Carroll.

Edited November 11, 2020 by matter2003

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

He will be 69 next year...will not coach forever...Father Time is still undefeated even with coaches...based on his man boobs you saw as he jogged onto the field last week I would say he isn't in the same type of shape as Carroll.

And Caroll still has a great quarterback for many more years.

[BisonMan]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Wow.

 

I am impressed.  Doesnt happen here very often.  Great reference.

 

One of my favorite movies and favorites scenes of all time.

 

 

One of my favorite SciFi movies. The film poster hangs in our media room.

[P Riv]

5 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

He will be 69 next year...will not coach forever...Father Time is still undefeated even with coaches...based on his man boobs you saw as he jogged onto the field last week I would say he isn't in the same type of shape as Carroll.

 

lol, thats awesome.  I had no idea he was that old, looks like he's a short timer.  

[Ghost_002!]

On 11/11/2020 at 2:57 AM, steven50 said:

 

 

BB is 21- 25 in New England without Brady. You can keep posting whatever you want but that number wont get any better this season as a matter of fact I bet it gets worse. He has a losing record without Brady in New England and in Cleveland.

 

We have had a ton of coaches that had sub .500 records without Jim Kelly, a lot of them had a couple of great games. That doesn't make them a genius.

 

 

Because 1. They weren't good

 

2. The name he earned it from his peers ...you wanna go tell actual NFL heads he is just an average coach?

 

If BB was to become a free agent coach right now...in fact put every coach back in a pot and or lottery and let's see who get picked first..

 

Take Brady and Bruce Adrians off the bucs now. Switch them w Cam and BB and let me know what team would do better, sinse we are going to be irresponsible and debate Brady/BB after barely one season.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[Greg S]

21 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

He will be 69 next year...will not coach forever...Father Time is still undefeated even with coaches...based on his man boobs you saw as he jogged onto the field last week I would say he isn't in the same type of shape as Carroll.

 

If he did leave NE I wonder if he would retire or go back to the NYG. He has said he loved his time there and has a great respect for the organization. He did win there as a DC for Parcells. If Bill was going to leave NE and not retire it would be for NYG. To restore the pride and tradition and win it all for the NYC market might make him accept that challenge. Assuming of course the Giants would also be interested. They have been a train wreck for about 8 years now so I bet they would think about it.

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

If he did leave NE I wonder if he would retire or go back to the NYG. He has said he loved his time there and has a great respect for the organization. He did win there as a DC for Parcells. If Bill was going to leave NE and not retire it would be for NYG. To restore the pride and tradition and win it all for the NYC market might make him accept that challenge. Assuming of course the Giants would also be interested. They have been a train wreck for about 8 years now so I bet they would think about it.

 

I was referring to retiring not coaching somewhere else.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

Because 1. They weren't good

 

2. The name he earned it from his peers ...you wanna go tell actual NFL heads he is just an average coach?

 

If BB was to become a free agent coach right now...in fact put every coach back in a pot and or lottery and let's see who get picked first..

 

Take Brady and Bruce Adrians off the bucs now. Switch them w Cam and BB and let me know what team would do better, sinse we are going to be irresponsible and debate Brady/BB after barely one season.

 

The point is that even a genius coach like BB still needs the players, namely the QB.  He lucked-into Brady and the real question is whether he's going to want to go through a total rebuild at his age, when the most important part, the QB, isn't anywhere close to being found.

[Ghost_002!]

50 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The point is that even a genius coach like BB still needs the players, namely the QB.  He lucked-into Brady and the real question is whether he's going to want to go through a total rebuild at his age, when the most important part, the QB, isn't anywhere close to being found.

 

I think I acknowledge the first sentence that every great coach has great players. So you need to direct that to your follow poster. Who also said he is just an average coach. Which he is far from that.

 

Next he didnt "luck" into Brady. Brady was a 6 round pick who everyone in the NFL past up on. He was not a projected first rounder who "fell" into BB lap. He was past on by everyone.

 

BB drafted him and helped developed him big part of this debate that gets glossed over. BB help Brady grow into a great QB. As you know history shows you great QBs are not late round picks....alot went into Brady's development and BB was apart of that. Adding to BB legend and complete asinine to think It was all Brady.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[Ghost_002!]

Oh and another thing. He plans on coaching for at least another 5 years he has said that already. I do not know why that is so hard to understand. Nothing happening right now is changing that. He wants to show he can do it without Brady so he is not "quitting" anytime soon. And again this is year one...not 5 years Into a patriots rebuilded.

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I think I acknowledge the first sentence that every great coach has great players. So you need to direct that to your follow poster. Who also said he is just an average coach. Which he is far from that.

 

Next he didnt "luck" into Brady. Brady was a 6 round pick who everyone in the NFL past up on. He was not a projected first rounder who "fell" into BB lap. He was past on by everyone.

 

BB drafted him and helped developed him big part of this debate that gets glossed over. BB help Brady grow into a great QB. As you know history shows you great QBs are not late round picks....alot went into Brady's development and BB was apart of that. Adding to BB legend and complete asinine to think It was all Brady.

 

Yeah, even by the Cheaters 6 times.  Hell he wasn't even their first 6th round pick that draft.  That's the definition of lucking into him.

[Big Turk]

41 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I think I acknowledge the first sentence that every great coach has great players. So you need to direct that to your follow poster. Who also said he is just an average coach. Which he is far from that.

 

Next he didnt "luck" into Brady. Brady was a 6 round pick who everyone in the NFL past up on. He was not a projected first rounder who "fell" into BB lap. He was past on by everyone.

 

BB drafted him and helped developed him big part of this debate that gets glossed over. BB help Brady grow into a great QB. As you know history shows you great QBs are not late round picks....alot went into Brady's development and BB was apart of that. Adding to BB legend and complete asinine to think It was all Brady.

 

Belichick almost chose Tim Rattay over Brady...they literally were having a debate and only chose Brady because their QB coach Dick Rehbein loved Brady and was presented the choice of Brady or Rattay and he said Brady...ironically he passed away that summer at age 45 before Brady even played a single game.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/this-coach-convinced-bill-belichick-to-draft-tom-brady-now-his-daughters-keep-his-memory-alive/2018/02/02/b610ce94-0820-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html

35 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Oh and another thing. He plans on coaching for at least another 5 years he has said that already. I do not know why that is so hard to understand. Nothing happening right now is changing that. He wants to show he can do it without Brady so he is not "quitting" anytime soon. And again this is year one...not 5 years Into a patriots rebuilded.

 

Plans can change awfully quick at that age due to health concerns, etc...

Edited November 12, 2020 by matter2003

[Ghost_002!]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, even by the Cheaters 6 times.  Hell he wasn't even their first 6th round pick that draft.  That's the definition of lucking into him.

 

 

first sentence sour grapes...boooo hooo i am going to call them "cheaters" your second sentence is you just unwilling to give any credit so i will let you sit on your hill.

38 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Belichick almost chose Tim Rattay over Brady...they literally were having a debate and only chose Brady because their QB coach Dick Rehbein loved Brady and was presented the choice of Brady or Rattay and he said Brady...ironically he passed away that summer at age 45 before Brady even played a single game.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/this-coach-convinced-bill-belichick-to-draft-tom-brady-now-his-daughters-keep-his-memory-alive/2018/02/02/b610ce94-0820-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html

 

Plans can change awfully quick at that age due to health concerns, etc...

 

 

whether it was BB first choice or last..what does that matter...he was drafted and developed under BB...

 

and if and when plans change..come find me to tell me "you told me so..."

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

first sentence sour grapes...boooo hooo i am going to call them "cheaters" your second sentence is you just unwilling to give any credit so i will let you sit on your hill.

 

 

whether it was BB first choice or last..what does that matter...he was drafted and developed under BB...

 

and if and when plans change..come find me to tell me "you told me so..."

 

you are delusional if you think someone drafts a QB in the 6th round and thinks they have drafted the QB GOAT

Edited November 12, 2020 by matter2003

[Ghost_002!]

5 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

you are delusional if you think someone drafts a QB in the 6th round and thinks they have drafted the QB GOAT

 

 

Where did i say that? I have said the complete opposite, so thanks for furthering some of my points.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

first sentence sour grapes...boooo hooo i am going to call them "cheaters" your second sentence is you just unwilling to give any credit so i will let you sit on your hill.

 

They are what they are.  And sure I can credit them with insane luck.  You don't wait until the 6th round to take a QB you think can even be a good backup, much less starter, much much less HOF'er. 

[steven50]

On 11/12/2020 at 1:09 PM, High Football IQ said:

 

The only thing that matters with Belichik is his record with Brady

 

 

......until he doesn't have Brady. 

 

Quote

Andy Reid was able to do fairly well with Alex Smith but could never win a playoff game. He did reach a SB in Philly with McNabb but lost.

 

Andy Reid has coached 22 years and has a winning record (over .500) without Mahomes. Again (and again and again again) BB does not have a winning record without Brady. You can keep arguing with me but that stat is not going to change, as a matter of fact I bet good money that it will get worse as the season goes on.

 

Your logic (and that of the other guy with the man crush on BB )  is pretty illogical. All that matters in sports is Wins and losses and BB has more losses then wins without Tom Brady.

 

..........BTW, aren't you the same guy that was saying we would lose against the Seahawks and the Patriots? Maybe you should take a little break from giving "High IQ" football opinions.

 

[steven50]

On 11/12/2020 at 12:00 PM, Ghost_002! said:

If BB was to become a free agent coach right now...in fact put every coach back in a pot and or lottery and let's see who get picked first..

 

 

 

Sure thing, and Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were both picked before Josh Allen by those same NFL teams your talking about.

 

You know who else was super popular and a "defensive genius" ? Rex Ryan.

You know who else has the same winning percentage as BB has without Tom Brady (.480) ? Rex Ryan.

 

It isn't about hype, it isn't about popularity, it isn't even about reputation, sports is about wins and losses and (yet again) BB has more losses than wins without Brady.

 

He is a sub .500 coach without Brady. He no longer has Brady. He will continue to be a sub .500 coach

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by steven50

[Ghost_002!]

12 minutes ago, steven50 said:

 

Sure thing, and Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were both picked before Josh Allen by those same NFL teams your talking about.

 

You know who else was super popular and a "defensive genius" ? Rex Ryan.

You know who else has the same winning percentage as BB has without Tom Brady (.480) ? Rex Ryan.

 

It isn't about hype, it isn't about popularity, it isn't even about reputation, sports is about wins and losses and (yet again) BB has more losses than wins without Brady.

 

He is a sub .500 coach without Brady. He no longer has Brady. He will continue to be a sub .500 coach

 

 

 

What exactly does Josh Allen have to do with this..I honestly miss that point?

 

Rex Ryan is not even in the NFL anymore?

 

Anytime you want to argue with his peers about the nickname they refer to him as..go right ahead 

 

My whole thing over this BB/Brady debate

 

Let's actually try debating this 3/4 seasons after.. not barely out of the first season...thats just dumb.