Doc Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Start by simply telling the truth China? I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Negligence360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I can't find much if any common ground with the alt right. As an atheist, I'm a big fan of Christmas though. Does that count? I guess I gotta take what I can get. Is alt right just anything right of center ? Edited October 2, 2020 by Dub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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meazza Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dub said: I guess I gotta take what I can get. Is alt right just anything right of center ? The problem is these meatheads classify everyone as alt-right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dub said: I guess I gotta take what I can get. Is alt right just anything right of center ? For me, it's anyone who supports Trump/Neo-Nazi's/Police Violence. I find common ground with classic conservatives and can even blend in fairly easily. I'm kind of a Teddy Roosevelt Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: For me, it's anyone who supports Trump/Neo-Nazi's/Police Violence. I find common ground with classic conservatives and can even blend in fairly easily. No you don't based on your posting history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: No you don't based on your posting history. Took the words out of my mouth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: No you don't based on your posting history. Never met a classic conservative in these parts. I know many in real life. Most of my family used to be conservative classic, before they turned alt-right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Never met a classic conservative in these parts. I know many in real life. Most of my family used to be conservative classic, before they turned alt-right. You sure you didn't make a wrong turn some where ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Never met a classic conservative in these parts. I know many in real life. Most of my family used to be conservative classic, before they turned alt-right. You mean they remained conservative classic, and you changed your definition, like everyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Never met a classic conservative in these parts. I know many in real life. Most of my family used to be conservative classic, before they turned alt-right. You don't even know what a classic conservative is. In reality, you don't even know what a classical liberal is and you probably also classify them as right wing. That's the problem with meatheads like you, you've made it impossible to even have a reasoned discussion. 1 minute ago, GG said: You mean they remained conservative classic, and you changed your definition, like everyone else. Exactly. Bill Maher would be a right winger to this meathead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 One of the symptoms of TDS is hallucinations. Everyone to your right appears "alt-right". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, GG said: You mean they remained conservative classic, and you changed your definition, like everyone else. No, not at all. They didn't use to support authoritarian police, forced sterilization and other abuse of border officials, selling out our country to other nations, sexual abusers, etc. They used to have morals and a conscience. I still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: No, not at all. They didn't use to support authoritarian police, forced sterilization and other abuse of border officials, selling out our country to other nations, sexual abusers, etc. They used to have morals and a conscience. I still do. I'm sure they don't use false strawmen to argue their positions either. I'm guessing is that they don't have a repulsive reaction whenever they see Trump, so to you they're alt-right, despite not changing one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Negligence360 please provide link to this "overwhelming" evidence can't be that helpful if mask wearers are not allowed to attend church or football games 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: I'm sure they don't use false strawmen to argue their positions either. I'm guessing is that they don't have a repulsive reaction whenever they see Trump, so to you they're alt-right, despite not changing one bit. So you just want people to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, meazza said: You don't even know what a classic conservative is. In reality, you don't even know what a classical liberal is and you probably also classify them as right wing. That's the problem with meatheads like you, you've made it impossible to even have a reasoned discussion. Exactly. Bill Maher would be a right winger to this meathead. Bill Maher is definitely not left by any metric. I've watched him for almost 20 years. Classical liberalism is essentially "conservative classic" without the jesus and "the neighborhood's going to hell" when a black family moves in across the street. It's a right wing ideology based on small government and free market capitalism. Neoliberalism is classical liberalism with a focus on regulation and bigger government being required for the success of the state. This is what almost all democrats are. It's also an economically right wing or center ideology. The only thing that makes the Democratic party even pretend to lean left is their performative gestures and empty words about minorities and the poor Edited October 2, 2020 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: It certainly sounds like Trump and/or Melania are exhibiting some symptoms - there's a weird reference to their "convalescence" -- not a word typically used unless you are sick. This is not good. The chances of catching Covid-19 and dying from it are less than the chances of the same from the flu -- at least according to Trump supporters. Of course, that's if you're young and in good health without any serious health issues. For a 74-year-old man with likely underlying health issues related to aging and obesity, it's a whole different ball game. IMO, a stint in Walter Reed's ICU for a couple of weeks and a months long convalescence (which is what many older people who contract Covid-19 experience) might be a good thing if it taught him some humility, but I'm skeptical that Covid Donnie is capable of learning anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: I think this is all a publicity stunt, but if it's not I hope he dies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, spartacus said: please provide link to this "overwhelming" evidence can't be that helpful if mask wearers are not allowed to attend church or football games Red states 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Bill Maher is definitely not left by any metric. I've watched him for almost 20 years. Classical liberalism is essentially "conservative classic" without the jesus and "the neighborhood's going to hell" when a black family moves in across the street. It's a right wing ideology based on small government and free market capitalism. Neoliberalism is classical liberalism with a focus on regulation and bigger government being required for the success of the state. This is what almost all democrats are. It's also an economically right wing or center ideology. The only thing that makes the Democratic party even pretend to lean left is their performative gestures and empty words about minorities and the poor So basically you're okay with most conservatives but hate the media created caricature that exists in your mind. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, meazza said: The problem is these meatheads classify everyone as alt-right. And you and your ilk classify anyone who disagrees with you as a "socialist" and every program that benefits anybody but millionaires as "socialism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I tried to see if this was posted but the last few pages have been . Anyhoooo.... apologies if this is already in this thread: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 34 minutes ago, Dub said: Just for my own curiosity Bull can you find any common ground with people you disagree with ? Not judging just curious. Same for you TH3 ? Just to be fair I absolutely disagree w/Republicans on marijuana 😁 Unfortunately Dub, they are the reason I walked away from the democrat party. Their rhetoric and hate have clouded there minds and souls. They are what the party stands for, hate, control and bully anyone who doesn't agree with there thinking. have you noticed you can't have a civil conversation with any of them? They are mentally handicapped people disguised as democrats. I wish I could have my party back but I don't believe that will ever happen. They have gone to far left to turn back now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Classical liberalism is essentially "conservative classic" without the jesus and "the neighborhood's going to hell" when a black family moves in across the street. It's a right wing ideology based on small government and free market capitalism. Which is essentially every conservative poster on this site. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, SoTier said: The chances of catching Covid-19 and dying from it are less than the chances of the same from the flu -- at least according to Trump supporters. Of course, that's if you're young and in good health without any serious health issues. For a 74-year-old man with likely underlying health issues related to aging and obesity, it's a whole different ball game. IMO, a stint in Walter Reed's ICU for a couple of weeks and a months long convalescence (which is what many older people who contract Covid-19 experience) might be a good thing if it taught him some humility, but I'm skeptical that Covid Donnie is capable of learning anything. Are you kidding me? Trump's already on the road to recovery. He'll have the very best of care including Zinc, Vitamin C and D, Remdis-whatever it's called and HCQ. He'll also likely get the plasma antibody treatments and by now he's used a rectal ultraviolet light and injected bleach. He'll be fine by Monday and it'll be like it never even happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, spartacus said: please provide link to this "overwhelming" evidence can't be that helpful if mask wearers are not allowed to attend church or football games Exactly. If this wasn't designed for political gain, and the only thing the AP clearly cares about in the tweet is political gain----further proof thats all this is about. Why don't they just share with us in a tweet all that "overwhelming" evidence masks stop the spread and one that doesn't include the words "many experts say." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Trump is fatigued, says his doctor, tired Trump Too sick to be president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoTier said: And you and your ilk classify anyone who disagrees with you as a "socialist" and every program that benefits anybody but millionaires as "socialism". Me? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, westside2 said: Unfortunately Dub, they are the reason I walked away from the democrat party. Their rhetoric and hate have clouded there minds and souls. They are what the party stands for, hate, control and bully anyone who doesn't agree with there thinking. have you noticed you can't have a civil conversation with any of them? They are mentally handicapped people disguised as democrats. I wish I could have my party back but I don't believe that will ever happen. They have gone to far left to turn back now. It really is too bad Westside, I really do enjoy talking politics with people. When we can do it without hating so much its kinda refreshing. I do enjoy the argument though 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: So basically you're okay with most conservatives but hate the media created caricature that exists in your mind. In my experience there's not very many of those types of conservatives left. The media has nearly nothing to do with it. It's all personal experience. The classic conservatives I know would have never defended a government agency throwing people in the back of a van without a warrant and detaining them at hidden locations without charges. They also wouldn't have defended police breaking into a woman's home an murdering her in the middle of the night. In fact, they still don't. They believed first and foremost in liberty and that government was a necessary evil. The alt-right is willing to forego their liberties as long as it hurts people they view as enemies. Except masks for some reason Masks are where the tyranny starts apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, GG said: Which is essentially every conservative poster on this site. Except me. I’m apparently Sean hannity from Quebec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: In my experience there's not very many of those types of conservatives left. The media has nearly nothing to do with it. It's all personal experience. The classic conservatives I know would have never defended a government agency throwing people in the back of a van without a warrant and detaining them at hidden locations without charges. They also wouldn't have defended police breaking into a woman's home an murdering her in the middle of the night. In fact, they still don't. They believed first and foremost in liberty and that government was a necessary evil. The alt-right is willing to forego their liberties as long as it hurts people they view as enemies. Except masks for some reason Masks are where the tyranny starts apparently. There was a true alt-right poster here who got banned. He wasn't in the same universe as the long-standing conservatives here. You realize you're proving our point, since Ben Shapiro and Denis Prager are categorized as alt-right by the media. As I said before, the media now lumps in anyone who supports the theories of classic Western Civ, Enlightenment and Reformation as alt-right. That's outright bonkers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Not really a good look: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: In my experience there's not very many of those types of conservatives left. The media has nearly nothing to do with it. It's all personal experience. The classic conservatives I know would have never defended a government agency throwing people in the back of a van without a warrant and detaining them at hidden locations without charges. They also wouldn't have defended police breaking into a woman's home an murdering her in the middle of the night. In fact, they still don't. They believed first and foremost in liberty and that government was a necessary evil. The alt-right is willing to forego their liberties as long as it hurts people they view as enemies. Except masks for some reason Masks are where the tyranny starts apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, GG said: Which is essentially every conservative poster on this site. Except the part where you all openly support fascism, police violence, authoritarian governments, and question whether or not white supremacist groups are really all that bad. Except all that, you're all perfectly lovely human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Dub said: It really is too bad Westside, I really do enjoy talking politics with people. When we can do it without hating so much its kinda refreshing. I do enjoy the argument though I agree Dub, I've learned to speak with my head not my emotions.Though I slip from time to time. I think there many more democrats who think like I do then the so called democrats that pollute this board. I've been on this board for about 20 years, I was a staunch democrat and had many run ins with republicans on this board. I'm not ashamed to admit I've had my lunch handed to me by the likes of DC Tom, Alaska Darin, TYTT and a few others. But I was willing to learn from them. I don't always agree with them, but I definitely respect them. It just makes me sad to think how far my old party has fallen. I don't belong to any party and I doubt I will ever again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said: There was a true alt-right poster here who got banned. He wasn't in the same universe as the long-standing conservatives here. You realize you're proving our point, since Ben Shapiro and Denis Prager are categorized as alt-right by the media. As I said before, the media now lumps in anyone who supports the theories of classic Western Civ, Enlightenment and Reformation as alt-right. That's outright bonkers. Ok, so your example of who is NOT alt-right are Praeger and Shapiro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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