PPP Under Fire

[Q-baby!]

On 9/4/2020 at 3:53 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I don't want to do it, but would because I'm here enough. I'd love to see some others do it, but I have a feeling they wouldn't want the job (thinking of Buffalo Gal, Doc Brown, Azalin, KRC, and a few others). 

😂😂😂 There it is! The real reason for the LAMP. Pick me! Pick me! 😂😂😂😂

 

Sure, make on of the nutbars the boss of the asylum. Makes sense. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Professional athletes -- even Black athletes -- have lives outside of sports just like you have a life outside of your job or career.    They are all American citizens or legal residents which means that they have the right to express themselves just like "regular" -- ie, non-athlete -- American residents.  They aren't enslaved gladiators who have to perform in the Coliseum for the Roman masses or die.

 

 

ROTFLMAO!!!  "PPP and forums like it are a threat to all who would love to be able suppress free speech, liberty and viewpoints that differ from their own" but you put posters you disagree with on IGNORE.   That's really supporting free speech.

 

 

That works for me ... if the Righties around here support to change the US Constitution to have the popular vote determine who is elected POTUS.

 

1. I do not care what the athletes say/do on their own time, provided it is legal. 

Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?

The NFL has spent decades trying to build themselves as pro-American with the armed forces, singling the National Anthem, etc. They have not allowed anything on uniforms that was individualized - heck, they would not allow the  Dallas Cowboys to put decals supporting 5 fallen police officers on their helmets. Brandon Marshall could not support mental health issues. DeAngelo Williams could not wear pink all season in honor of his mother who died of breast cancer, and was told no (and this is with the NFL having a pink-month!)  Now, suddenly,  "protesting" on company time is a-ok?  The ratings should be interesting.

2. Feel free to rationally, reasonably, and unemotionally express your viewpoints. 

3. The framers of the Constitution were pretty smart guys. You are never going to see a popular-vote election.

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Professional athletes -- even Black athletes -- have lives outside of sports just like you have a life outside of your job or career.    They are all American citizens or legal residents which means that they have the right to express themselves just like "regular" -- ie, non-athlete -- American residents.  They aren't enslaved gladiators who have to perform in the Coliseum for the Roman masses or die.

 

Agreed.  Notice that I wrote that we don't need these people to feed us the stuff they have the right to express. I never said they shouldn't. They are welcome to do so, as we are welcome to respond accordingly. My hope is they realize that most Americans simply don't want to hear it/see it during the games.

 

The good news where the NFL is concerned is that the social justice stuff doesn't happen during the game other than a helmet sticker I can barely see. So DVR wipes out the stupid schitt for me. The field isn't covered in BLM Marxist/destroy the nuclear family crap like the NBA.

 

The smart play, honestly, are the custom shoes NFL players get to wear to support their personal cause. Let that continue to be the way the players can individually promote their causes, instead of forcing us with the singular issue of the day that is not near as popular as the media would have you believe.

[fansince88]

On 9/5/2020 at 9:20 AM, SectionC3 said:

“Parade of fools?”  Who might they be?  People who don’t share your worldview?  
 

and inciting anger?  With what, exactly?  A competing viewpoint?  Maybe the solution to your problems is to have an open mind. 

I consider them not  those that disagree with my point of view but more so those that disagree by putting up a dumb Trump meme and bringing zero substance to the conversation.  I can debate with you all day long. Let's just bring substance and proof to our conversation. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

1. I do not care what the athletes say/do on their own time, provided it is legal. 

Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?

The NFL has spent decades trying to build themselves as pro-American with the armed forces, singling the National Anthem, etc. They have not allowed anything on uniforms that was individualized - heck, they would not allow the  Dallas Cowboys to put decals supporting 5 fallen police officers on their helmets. Brandon Marshall could not support mental health issues. DeAngelo Williams could not wear pink all season in honor of his mother who died of breast cancer, and was told no (and this is with the NFL having a pink-month!)  Now, suddenly,  "protesting" on company time is a-ok?  The ratings should be interesting.

2. Feel free to rationally, reasonably, and unemotionally express your viewpoints. 

3. The framers of the Constitution were pretty smart guys. You are never going to see a popular-vote election. There is no reason for ballots harvested in California to count more than in-person votes made in South Dakota. 

 

So, BG, this is an interesting point.  I’m glad you brought it up.
 

I have long felt CK was a poser of sorts, but be that as it may, one of my major issues was the “protest at work” issue.  Well, that and the relative irony of protesting in a tightly controlled environment guarded by those you are protesting against where only the entitled and elite were able to tread, on a surface made of fake grass that costs millions of dollars to produce  perhaps in some cases by people making minimum wage (all sponsored by AT&T).  
 

So, you go to work, you follow reasonable rules set in place by your employer, supersized as you pointed out to STAMP OUT individual displays of love, respect or gratitude by employees in spite of the things that are important to them. 
 

Phase 2 is upon us.  As it turns out, the employer has changed the rules to a certain extent, allowing now whatever it is that they will allow, in whatever manner they allow it.  This is where the consumer has a choice to make, and it becomes less about the employee and much more about the employer. 
 

From my perspective, the enterprise (NFL) is really just following the money.  That isn’t a bad thing, and certainly good things can flow from that sort of thing.  I thought the $90m dedicated to social causes was a good thing, just as supporting breast cancer awareness was/is.   It remains to be seen what that will look like on game day now and in the future.   

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

From my perspective, the enterprise (NFL) is really just following the money.  That isn’t a bad thing, and certainly good things can flow from that sort of thing.  I thought the $90m dedicated to social causes was a good thing, just as supporting breast cancer awareness was/is.   It remains to be seen what that will look like on game day now and in the future.   

That is why I said the rating should be interesting. Are they following the money? Time will tell. If the ratings are up, they followed the money. If the ratings go down (down significantly), they blew it.   We shall see.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...a thread to try and restore some decorum (societally GONE) and valuable discourse has attracted the PPP "fruit flies" as expected.......where art thou Orkin Man??.........

Edited September 6, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

That is why I said the rating should be interesting. Are they following the money? Time will tell. If the ratings are up, they followed the money. If the ratings go down (down significantly), they blew it.   We shall see.

I used to love going to the movies.  My wife and I would enjoy the break, the escape and the popcorn.  Now, it’s a bit less enjoyable as I contemplate which actors/directors  I choose to support and those I prefer not to.   At the same time, we haven’t reached the point where the screen has a perpetual crawl along the bottom of it reminding me of all the trouble in the world, or that the fake butter and artificial sweetener in my snacks is killing me dead as I sit there.

 

Balance is fine.  Messaging is no different than the product placement for sponsors within reason.   We’ll see. 

[realtruelove]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

ROTFLMAO!!!  "PPP and forums like it are a threat to all who would love to be able suppress free speech, liberty and viewpoints that differ from their own" but you put posters you disagree with on IGNORE.   That's really supporting free speech.

Ignoring and suppressing are two very different things.  I would never deny you the right to express your opinion.  I am free to choose to ignore you however.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, realtruelove said:

Ignoring and suppressing are two very different things.  I would never deny you the right to express your opinion.  I am free to choose to ignore you however.

 

 

...LMAO...ignore Stat Boy with his daily Covid-19 update and deprive yourself of such value?......his posts are legendary on PPP as well as the football side...think you should reconsider.....

[Niagara]

14 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Agreed.  Notice that I wrote that we don't need these people to feed us the stuff they have the right to express. I never said they shouldn't. They are welcome to do so, as we are welcome to respond accordingly. My hope is they realize that most Americans simply don't want to hear it/see it during the games.

 

The good news where the NFL is concerned is that the social justice stuff doesn't happen during the game other than a helmet sticker I can barely see. So DVR wipes out the stupid schitt for me. The field isn't covered in BLM Marxist/destroy the nuclear family crap like the NBA.

 

The smart play, honestly, are the custom shoes NFL players get to wear to support their personal cause. Let that continue to be the way the players can individually promote their causes, instead of forcing us with the singular issue of the day that is not near as popular as the media would have you believe.

1. To some degree you need the left to promote a discussion. Problem is they often flame throw in an effort to derail discussion. Notice they are minimally involved in this discussion.

2. My thinking is "ignore as in do not reply". No fun talking to yourself.

3. Another smart play I think would be to stop the Anthem playing altogether, but it is probably too late.

4. Avoid acquiring known socially conscious players like Josh Norman. Big story on CBS other day.

5. Maybe the players and Nike can strike a deal around protest shoes.

6. What are OTW  and TSW? Forums?

7. People actually get banned from PPP?

8. The Jets and Bills have a political forums. The Bills is the more active. The Dolphins, Steelers, Pats, Browns, Dolphins don't. The PPP is truly special. 

 

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

So, BG, this is an interesting point.  I’m glad you brought it up.
 

I have long felt CK was a poser of sorts, but be that as it may, one of my major issues was the “protest at work” issue.  Well, that and the relative irony of protesting in a tightly controlled environment guarded by those you are protesting against where only the entitled and elite were able to tread, on a surface made of fake grass that costs millions of dollars to produce  perhaps in some cases by people making minimum wage (all sponsored by AT&T).  
 

So, you go to work, you follow reasonable rules set in place by your employer, supersized as you pointed out to STAMP OUT individual displays of love, respect or gratitude by employees in spite of the things that are important to them. 
 

Phase 2 is upon us.  As it turns out, the employer has changed the rules to a certain extent, allowing now whatever it is that they will allow, in whatever manner they allow it.  This is where the consumer has a choice to make, and it becomes less about the employee and much more about the employer. 
 

From my perspective, the enterprise (NFL) is really just following the money.  That isn’t a bad thing, and certainly good things can flow from that sort of thing.  I thought the $90m dedicated to social causes was a good thing, just as supporting breast cancer awareness was/is.   It remains to be seen what that will look like on game day now and in the future.   

Any word on what Jesse's and Al's cuts are?

[shoshin]

On 9/5/2020 at 10:31 AM, westside2 said:

Who's the biggest board bully? If your so unhappy here, why don't you just leave? I'm sure you could find outlets that are more in line with your believes. There are plenty of them out there. 

I’m in the Covid topics because they are more active here. Why are they so active here? Because some of you are afraid of Hapless on the OT board.

 

We agree. Lots of other outlets so this board is not necessary. Cheers on that.   

3 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

😂😂😂 There it is! The real reason for the LAMP. Pick me! Pick me! 😂😂😂😂

 

The troll account gets the chicken dinner reserved for the winner. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by shoshin

[Deranged Rhino]

9 minutes ago, shoshin said:

I’m in the Covid topics because they are more active here. Why are they so active here? Because some of you are afraid of Hapless on the OT board.

 

We agree. Lots of other outlets so this board is not necessary. Cheers on that.   

The troll account gets the chicken dinner reserved for the winner. 

 

In other words: "people don't think like me here so I want to shut it all down -- even if that means destroying the rest of the site in the process."

[Buffalo_Gal]

24 minutes ago, shoshin said:

I’m in the Covid topics because they are more active here. Why are they so active here? Because some of you are afraid of Hapless on the OT board.

 

We agree. Lots of other outlets so this board is not necessary. Cheers on that.   

The troll account gets the chicken dinner reserved for the winner. 

And there is a reason for that. Hapless has the ability to give me a time-out for disagreeing. Now, I am not sure Hapless will do that, but I have had posts that contradicted that thread's narrative deleted, soooo 🤷‍♂️ why continue when only one type of article is allowed?
 

[Westside]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

And there is a reason for that. Hapless has the ability to give me a time-out for disagreeing. Now, I am not sure Hapless will do that, but I have had posts that contradicted that thread's narrative deleted, soooo 🤷‍♂️ why continue when only one type of article is allowed?
 

I agree with you BG, i would even go as far as being heavy handed with people who don't agree with his way of thinking. Mods should be neutral, if you want to vent your opinions then you shouldn't be a mod. Just my opinion though. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, westside2 said:

I agree with you BG, i would even go as far as being heavy handed with people who don't agree with his way of thinking. Mods should be neutral, if you want to vent your opinions then you shouldn't be a mod. Just my opinion though. 

I agree with that. I moderated a few very large boards many years ago. I had to be very quiet on my thoughts and beliefs in order to do that job well.  Anything I posted I had to decide whether or not it could be considered biased to X or Y or Z.  It does get tedious. Moderating is a difficult, thankless task, whether compensated or volunteer. I do not envy anyone that position.
 

[Nanker]

When Simon and AD moderated PPP things went along pretty well. I think GG and Beerball would be good mods here. I agree, the current mods don’t seem to have a sense how to let the dungeon run the dungeon with a minimum of interference. 
 

Seems we’ve got a bumper crop of precious little darlings that start a fight in the yard and then go crying to their favorite mod to come and make the mean kids stop bullying them. 
 

Frankly I’m tired of endless new threads that are little more than temper tantrums and hissy fits filled with ill will, intemperate remarks, and name calling. 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

1. I do not care what the athletes say/do on their own time, provided it is legal. 

Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?

The NFL has spent decades trying to build themselves as pro-American with the armed forces, singling the National Anthem, etc. They have not allowed anything on uniforms that was individualized - heck, they would not allow the  Dallas Cowboys to put decals supporting 5 fallen police officers on their helmets. Brandon Marshall could not support mental health issues. DeAngelo Williams could not wear pink all season in honor of his mother who died of breast cancer, and was told no (and this is with the NFL having a pink-month!)  Now, suddenly,  "protesting" on company time is a-ok?  The ratings should be interesting.
 

 

You understand there would be an NBA without NBA players? NBA players are probably the most uniquely gifted athletes in the world, which is why there's only 450 of them.

 

Get enough of those players in a small league to protest or walk out and what are the owners going to do? If they're invested long term in their product, they need to put the best product on the court, which means they need to put the best players on the court, which means they need to keep those players relatively content.

 

The other sports leagues operate on the same principle, but player leverage is less because there are more of them and so you have a watering down of opinions because you have more.

 

This is why unions exist, both in the real world and in sports. And if those unions have the leverage to allow their members to do things that would appear to you to be various forms of protest because too many of those members might otherwise leave their job--temporarily or otherwise--and the employer's bottom line will be too deeply affected, then the answer is yes, you can force your employer to "protest" on the job... I'm sure it would be contingent upon actually doing your job, though.

 

This is why unions are such a necessity in the America we know and love. They give voice and leverage to the cogs that keep the machine running.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by transplantbillsfan

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

You understand there would be an NBA without NBA players? NBA players are probably the most uniquely gifted athletes in the world, which is why there's only 450 of them.

 

Get enough of those players in a small league to protest or walk out and what are the owners going to do? If they're invested long term in their product, they need to put the best product on the court, which means they need to put the best players on the court, which means they need to keep those players relatively content.

 

The other sports leagues operate on the same principle, but player leverage is less because there are more of them and so you have a watering down of opinions because you have more.

 

This is why unions exist, both in the real world and in sports. And if those unions have the leverage to allow their members to do things that would appear to you to be various forms of protest because too many of those members might otherwise leave their job--temporarily or otherwise--and the employer's bottom line will be too deeply affected, then the answer is yes, you can force your employer to "protest" on the job... I'm sure it would be contingent upon actually doing your job, though.

 

This is why unions are such a necessity in the America we know and love. They give voice and leverage to the cogs that keep the machine running.

 

 

 

Unions are simply corporate America under a different name.  They exist for the benefit of the union, generally at the exclusion of anyone not in the union.  There are hierarchies, those that have, those that really have, and those that have less than the other two parties.  There are stories of sacrifice, stories of apathy and of course, stories of greed and betrayal.  
 

The way I see it, there are two competing corporate entities battling to win the game.  That’s neither good nor bad, it just is.  Some win, some lose.  
 

As for the NBA, I think you underestimate the system that brings the wealth.  While I agree that the athletes are tremendously talented, when LeBron James retires, the game moves on.  The Lakers remain.  The Knicks remain.  It’s next man up. 

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

1. I do not care what the athletes say/do on their own time, provided it is legal. 

Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?

The NFL has spent decades trying to build themselves as pro-American with the armed forces, singling the National Anthem, etc. They have not allowed anything on uniforms that was individualized - heck, they would not allow the  Dallas Cowboys to put decals supporting 5 fallen police officers on their helmets. Brandon Marshall could not support mental health issues. DeAngelo Williams could not wear pink all season in honor of his mother who died of breast cancer, and was told no (and this is with the NFL having a pink-month!)  Now, suddenly,  "protesting" on company time is a-ok?  The ratings should be interesting.

2. Feel free to rationally, reasonably, and unemotionally express your viewpoints. 

3. The framers of the Constitution were pretty smart guys. You are never going to see a popular-vote election.

 

 

1. "Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?"

 

When employees have enough power, they can.  Industrial labor unions demonstrated beginning in the 1930s through the 1960s.  Professional sports are dependent upon individuals with special talents to have success because their "product" is entertainment.  There are fewer than 10,000 men at any given time good enough to play in the NFL, NBA, and MLB.  Without the players, there is no product, and most -- 70 percent or more -- NFL, NBA, and MLB players are Black or Latino.  That's power.   They aren't the easily replaceable cogs in an industrial or commercial machine.

 

More importantly, just because you, as a white conservative, don't recognize or ignore evidence of significant changes in society doesn't mean that those changes aren't happening or haven't happened.   Society is constantly changing.  Deal with it.

 

2.  What exactly are your definitions of ""rational", "reasonable" and "unemotional"?   I'm not the one calling other posters names or getting warned much less banned.  I'm the one posting facts that some other posters don't like because it reminds them of the failure of the current occupant of the White House to effectively do his job, which is to lead the country.

 

3.  Never say never. 

 

44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And there is a reason for that. Hapless has the ability to give me a time-out for disagreeing. Now, I am not sure Hapless will do that, but I have had posts that contradicted that thread's narrative deleted, soooo 🤷‍♂️ why continue when only one type of article is allowed?
 

 

Excuse me, but I think that you're blowing smoke, lady.   I've disagreed with the premises of numerous threads/posts posted on PPP, TSW, and OTW and have never had issues with Hapless except when I've been warned about the way that I wrote some posts, but never with the opposition itself.   If you take your own advice and post in a "rational","reasonable", and/or "unemotional" manner, you aren't going to have posts deleted.

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 9/5/2020 at 10:46 AM, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

No matter how hard some of us try, it seems no one cares that we turn to pastimes like sports and entertainment to ESCAPE politics and the increased amount of divisiveness it intentionally creates. 

 

We don't want or need to be lectured by LeBron James, Taylor Swift, Colin Kaepernick or Jim Gaffigan. We don't need to be educated by a Drew Brees helmet sticker. We just want to enjoy the effin' game or concert. My only hope is that the huge BLM push by MLB and NBA continues to destroy the fanbase so they'll all STFU and get back to doing what we asked them to do: perform for a few hours so as to distract us from the daily grind.

You just want to ESCAPE into the politics of your choosing. If you really wanted to do away with politics in sports, the easiest way to do it is to get the anthem and military displays out of there altogether.

On 9/5/2020 at 3:55 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Dear God this is pathetic.

 

I've now been venturing into PPP for a few years and nothing's changed over the last 3 years other than there actually being more of a balance between reasonable posters on BOTH sides of the political spectrum and the OP getting banned for a month for clearly not following his own advice. 

 

And #2 of the "ROE" is friggin hilarious. "Show your work" is followed by "stick around for an adult conversation." It's not exactly possible to have an adult conversation with anyone who automatically dismisses the work showed because of the message and the source.

 

You're the one who's fostered this culture of derision over here @Deranged Rhino along with a few other posters (a couple of whom are currently on my ignore list; as @Buffalo_Gal mentioned "ignore is your friend") and to try to pin blame on "the Other" is so hilariously disingenuous of you, which is appropriate.

 

I'd applaud this thread coming from almost anyone else.

 

Coming from you, it's a joke.

 

2 months until your new avatar...

This post coming from Rhino is a complete joke. He's patient zero for this cesspool of conspiracy theories, nationalism and factless assertions.

[BullBuchanan]

On 9/5/2020 at 1:08 PM, GG said:

Yes, some posters are perfectly willing to sacrifice lives for a political benefit.  

You just described every war that ever took place.

[Deranged Rhino]

What's most amazing about this thread is all the posters who can't hang with the second rule are the ones most loudly objecting (objecting to what, no one knows considering the subject of the thread)  

 

It's hilariously predictable. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Billsmisery said:

Deranged is a good name for you. A complete blowhard if I must say so myself!

 

Rule 2: Show your work. 

[IDBillzFan]

32 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You just want to ESCAPE into the politics of your choosing. If you really wanted to do away with politics in sports, the easiest way to do it is to get the anthem and military displays out of there altogether.

 

I have no problem with that at all, though it did provide an amazing Whitney Houston moment most Americans consider one of the best anthems ever.

 

The reality is that until recently, there was only a small number of people who genuinely and openly didn't love their country. They may have hated political parties, or different presidential campaigns, but most people always loved their country.

 

That is no longer the case. The DNC has outed themselves by tightly being tied with people (BLM,  Antifa) who hate this country the way it is, and want to destroy its structure and bring Marxism to the forefront while purposefully planning to  do away with the nuclear family. As long as the DNC swaps money with BLM and Antifa -- which they do -- this is not a debatable fact. This is why Biden is suddenly anti-police and has admitted he is in favor of defunding police.

 

So this election is really coming down to two things: do you love your country and your police or do you hate them? 

 

Love them? Vote Trump. Hate them? Vote Biden.

 

That's why you see one side harassing average, everyday people trying to have a nice dinner by yelling and screaming before setting things on fire, and one side is running around on the streets and in their boats with American flags, cheering on police whenever they see them, and singing "God Bless America." 

 

It's not complicated.

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I have no problem with that at all, though it did provide an amazing Whitney Houston moment most Americans consider one of the best anthems ever.

 

The reality is that until recently, there was only a small number of people who genuinely and openly didn't love their country. They may have hated political parties, or different presidential campaigns, but most people always loved their country.

 

That is no longer the case. The DNC has outed themselves by tightly being tied with people (BLM,  Antifa) who hate this country the way it is, and want to destroy its structure and bring Marxism to the forefront while purposefully planning to  do away with the nuclear family. As long as the DNC swaps money with BLM and Antifa -- which they do -- this is not a debatable fact. This is why Biden is suddenly anti-police and has admitted he is in favor of defunding police.

 

So this election is really coming down to two things: do you love your country and your police or do you hate them? 

 

Love them? Vote Trump. Hate them? Vote Biden.

 

That's why you see one side harassing average, everyday people trying to have a nice dinner by yelling and screaming before setting things on fire, and one side is running around on the streets and in their boats with American flags, cheering on police whenever they see them, and singing "God Bless America." 

 

It's not complicated.

The fact that republicans try to lump in a right leaning conservative in Biden with some sort of extreme left wing socialism is just beyond comprehension. Nearly the entire democratic party with very few exceptions is comprised of right of center neo-liberals. People that are actually leftists, can't stand them. I have no intention of voting for Biden. He's just George Bush in a blue tie. I desperately wish Biden was all the things the extreme right accuses him of being. It's 10x cooler than he actually is, and I'd vote for that guy in a heartbeat. 

I do however hate the police.


This was a nice little bonus though:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/multiple-boats-in-distress-sinking-at-trump-boat-parade-on-lake-travis

Edited September 6, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[IDBillzFan]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The fact that republicans try to lump in a right leaning conservative in Biden with some sort of extreme left wing socialism is just beyond comprehension. Nearly the entire democratic party with very few exceptions is comprised of right of center neo-liberals. People that are actually leftists, can't stand them. I have no intention of voting for Biden. He's just George Bush in a blue tie. I desperately wish Biden was all the things the extreme right accuses him of being. It's 10x cooler than he actually is, and I'd vote for that guy in a heartbeat. 

I do however hate the police.


This was a nice little bonus though:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/multiple-boats-in-distress-sinking-at-trump-boat-parade-on-lake-travis

 

So your problem is that Biden is not more closely tied to BLM and Antifa? He's not far enough left for you?  Even though he has policies being written by Bernie and AOC?

 

Just out of curiosity, who WOULD you vote for?

 

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

So your problem is that Biden is not more closely tied to BLM and Antifa? He's not far enough left for you?  Even though he has policies being written by Bernie and AOC?

 

Just out of curiosity, who WOULD you vote for?

 

Bernie, who is economically a bit to the right of me but would have represented a shift in a direction that represents most of what I believe in. Warren, who is distantly to the right of me, but has a strong record as a consumer protection advocate.

They were my only options this year at the presidential level. Keeping an eye on folks for 2024.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Bernie, who is economically a bit to the right of me but would have represented a shift in a direction that represents most of what I believe in. Warren, who is distantly to the right of me, but has a strong record as a consumer protection advocate.

They were my only options this year at the presidential level. Keeping an eye on folks for 2024.

 

Lookie here, got ourselves an outed pinko. 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lookie here, got ourselves an outed pinko. 

Nope. We've been over that before.

[IDBillzFan]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Bernie, who is economically a bit to the right of me but would have represented a shift in a direction that represents most of what I believe in. Warren, who is distantly to the right of me, but has a strong record as a consumer protection advocate.

They were my only options this year at the presidential level. Keeping an eye on folks for 2024.

 

So basically you're looking for the next Che Guevara.

 

Got it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Nope. We've been over that before.

If bernie sanders, A DEMOCRATIC DOCIALIST, is to the right of you economically, you're a communist.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

If bernie sanders, A DEMOCRATIC DOCIALIST, is to the right of you economically, you're a communist.

There's more room between communist and democratic socialist than there is between Democrat and Republican. Bernie claims he is is a Democratic Socialist, but he's more of a Social Democrat.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Billsmisery said:

What a douche of a profile pic you have there! 

 

Glad you like it. Who are you again?

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

There's more room between communist and democratic socialist than there is between Democrat and Republican. Bernie claims he is is a Democratic Socialist, but he's more of a Social Democrat.

 

I'll agree with you that there's little room between democrats and republicans. 

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Glad you like it. Who are you again?

 

It's hard to tell. Once they get unhinged, it's difficult to tell them apart.

[Nanker]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

There's more room between communist and democratic socialist than there is between Democrat and Republican. Bernie claims he is is a Democratic Socialist, but he's more of a Social Democrat.

Bernie is a self-serving pandering politician. He’s become wealthy by running for POTUS all the while lining his pockets with campaign contributions funneled to his wife’s fake media company who took 10% of each media placement. 
 

He’s a communist sympathizer and would be sucking the Kremlin’s balls if he ever got elected as President. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Nanker

[Magox]

11 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

ROTFLMAO!!!  "PPP and forums like it are a threat to all who would love to be able suppress free speech, liberty and viewpoints that differ from their own" but you put posters you disagree with on IGNORE.   That's really supporting free speech.

 

Placing someone on ignore is not akin to suppressing speech.  If I have a tv satellite package and I know that the content of certain channels is content that I have no interest in viewing then I have the option to not subscribe to that channel.

 

 

You stated that people are placing people on ignore simply because they disagree with them and implied that goes against the principles of free speech.   Over half the things you post in PPP I disagree with yet I have no desire to place you on ignore.  Same goes with a number of posters that post here.   Even though I disagree with many of your posts at least you and others are attempting to have a real conversation.  You are engaging in debate that at least has proper motives behind an attempt at honest dialogue.

 

Many of the new posters that have emerged over the past 3 months do not operate in good faith.  They create new threads with no other motives than to troll.   There is no honest debate or dialogue.   Just look at all these accounts, they are brand new accounts that were just recently created and when you combine that with their trolling activity then why should I or for that matter anyone who wants to have an honest back and forth give them the time of day when we know they are a troll account?   The ignore button is a feature of this board and helps reduce the rif raf.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Nanker said:

Bernie is a self-serving pandering politician. He’s become wealthy by running for POTUS all the while lining his pockets with campaign contributions funneled to his wife’s fake media company who took 10% of each media placement. 
 

He’s a communist sympathizer and would be sucking the Kremlin’s balls if he ever got elected as President. 

He's not what I would consider wealthy. If a 35 year old had $50,000 in a 401k and never contributed another cent, they would likely exceed Bernie's net worth by the time they reached his age. 

Given how frequently Sanders has hammered Putin, I don't really see him being a Russian ally.

[Bill from NYC]

On 9/4/2020 at 3:45 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

great points BG and great write up DR...... trolls or the sock puppets are pretty much a known commodity who are here only to goad folks into heated responses which end up "over the line"......ban them and they come back with a new screen name

Which would seem to be a never ending problem for the mods, with no real solution.  Also, the people doing this are not trolls like in the old days OTAFLG. Trolls would consist of people pretending to be Dolphin Fans, and posting things to anger us. Most posters are too sophisticated to be fooled by this anymore. Fans actually welcome posts like this from that Spagnola guy, whatever he calls himself.

The "trolls" of today are not trolls as much as they are political agitators. Expecting the mods (who for the most part do a wonderful job) to be able to keep after all of them would be quite the reach. 

Btw I offer up no solution whereas I have no idea what should be done or how to do it.  This is just a commentary on what is happening imo.