Presidential Debates 2020

[Sherlock Holmes]

52 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Biden called Trump:

1) Liar
2) Racist
3) Clown
4) What was the fourth?
 

 

4.Worst President Ever?

Think that's what Biden said.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[Backintheday544]

3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

of Biden... He couldn't stop arguing with Trump when it was his turn to speak... complete disgrace 

 

It was hard to tell whose turn it was to talk with Trump always interrupting so that may have prejudiced your opinion.

[TakeYouToTasker]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

And that may be the case. Look, if he's under audit he (his attorneys and accountants) have no doubt already presented their theories of tax liability. There's no reason not to release the taxes with those explanations. Is it Trump being stubborn, or still hoping to hide something (probably the follow-up questions)? All I know is right now this strategy is unlikely to help him.

So, here’s the thing about the President’s taxes.  The whole purpose of presenting them was for folks like Bernie Sanders to get on a pulpit and grumble about “Merbilgerbilgerbil-millionaires brable-and bribilliones!!!” so they could call The President a “tax avoider” on the Sunday circuit, trying to equate that with tax evasion, in order to cast the President as a criminal.
 

The President has been under audit for a decade.  This means that the Obama IRS, which had been weaponised against his political enemies, had been investigating the President for financial crimes and tax fraud for 6 years.  This information was within the purview of the Mueller investigation, whom we know was actively searching for criminality in the President's taxes because Michael Cohen was taken down due to tax fraud related to taxi medallions as part of the probe.
 

After having a 10 year audit conducted by a hostile IRS, and a special council shoved up your ass with the intention of finding even a hint of wrong doing; and both come away with nothing?

 

There’s nothing there to find.

[Backintheday544]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And Trump actually flubbed his Hunter Biden moment by not waiting for the right opportunity. He stepped all over Joe's fake indignation over Beau, and the entire thing got drowned out by his own inability to present a disciplined message. I doubt anyone unfamiliar with the whole story (and let's fact fact, people who bother to post here are in the 1% tail of political junkies) even comprehended what was going on.

 

Trump knew he flubbed that so that's why he went back to it randomly later on.

[Big Blitz]

The point of the debates isn't to win people over.  This is 2020.  The media has decided for you who they know wins and has the correct positions and will be coddled accordingly.  

 

What Trump has understood since 2015 is that these debates need to fire up your base going into the election.  

 

Trump massively fired up his base tonight.  The only mistake he made was in response to the Racism question he didn't bring up Joe's "You ain't black" and the "Latinos are more creative" comments.  But that's ok we all know this.  Love how Wallace demanded Trump denounce White Supremacists causing all the raucous in our cities but refuses to press Biden on Antifa.

 

Biden said he opposes the Green New Deal, doesn't want to change or see Obamacare go either via SCOTUS or Trump....but then says it has to be improved.  Then refused to embrace BLM.  He couldn't have tried harder to distance himself from Bernie Sanders.....

 

And that's where he made the biggest miscalculation of the night....he called it HIS Democrat party....and bragged about beating Bernie.  Yup.  I'm sure the defeated true believers loved hearing that.  

 

No.  Biden failed in energizing anyone tonight.  And if you're one of the 50 undecided voters in America you were given no reason to vote Democrat.

 

Trump did. 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Big Blitz

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Disappointed in Chris Wallace, though it was not unexpected.

 

Thought 45 had 3 bad moments.  Chris Wallace framed CRT as "racial sensitivity" & 45 said he was opposed to it because it was un-American (& it is), but he needed to point out that CRT goes WAY beyond sensitivity training & it is racist indoctrination.

 

Also, thought saying he condemns the KKK would've been a slam dunk easy thing to say as he's done that many times in the past.

 

And, he came across as angry on the question about mail in voting & waiting for an outcome.  It was another item that IMHO he is on the right side of the issue but his inability to articulate a complex thought bit him on that one.

 

Had Biden been fact checked / stopped short by the moderator more than just partially on the GND issue, expect he would've puked over himself.  But he never did that.  

 

Don't believe either guy won, but 45 probably had a bit of a loss.  Doesn't seem to be the board concensus; oh well.

Any other candidate would have viewed this question as the biggest softball in the history of debates:

"I condemn white supremacists, and I do not want their support."

It's what you say because there is no other acceptable answer. Seriously. None.

So why didn't he do it?

Either (a) he's a moron; or (b) he really does want their support.

Either one doesn't bode well.

[BillStime]

The President of The United States of America refused to condemn White Supremacy on a live presidential debate.  Trump didn’t win, Biden didn’t lose, Americans lost tonight.

[JetsFan20]

47 minutes ago, BillStime said:

The President of The United States of America refused to condemn White Supremacy on a live presidential debate.  Trump didn’t win, Biden didn’t lose, Americans lost tonight.

The whole interaction was cringe worthy. All both candidates had to say was they respect their constitutional Right to protest but disavow any damage to property and violence towards humans. 

Edited September 30, 2020 by JetsFan20

[Greybeard]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

“Defund The police, fund the psychologists!“

    Does the psychologist help before or after you put the cuffs on them?

[Backintheday544]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

So, here’s the thing about the President’s taxes.  The whole purpose of presenting them was for folks like Bernie Sanders to get on a pulpit and grumble about “Merbilgerbilgerbil-millionaires brable-and bribilliones!!!” so they could call The President a “tax avoider” on the Sunday circuit, trying to equate that with tax evasion, in order to cast the President as a criminal.
 

The President has been under audit for a decade.  This means that the Obama IRS, which had been weaponised against his political enemies, had been investigating the President for financial crimes and tax fraud for 6 years.  This information was within the purview of the Mueller investigation, whom we know was actively searching for criminality in the President's taxes because Michael Cohen was taken down due to tax fraud related to taxi medallions as part of the probe.
 

After having a 10 year audit conducted by a hostile IRS, and a special council shoved up your ass with the intention of finding even a hint of wrong doing; and both come away with nothing?

 

There’s nothing there to find.

 

It's not. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham just complained about a Democrat he's running against for not showing his taxes. It's important to show where people have income from and possible conflicts of interest.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Any other candidate would have viewed this question as the biggest softball in the history of debates:

"I condemn white supremacists, and I do not want their support."

It's what you say because there is no other acceptable answer. Seriously. None.

So why didn't he do it?

Either (a) he's a moron; or (b) he really does want their support.

Either one doesn't bode well.

 

 

No wrong Trump operates that by doing so there he must not have done so before thus he appears weak by doing so at Wallace's command.  Trump doesn't operate like that it's not how he's wired.

[BillStime]

Just now, Backintheday544 said:

 

It's not. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham just complained about a Democrat he's running against for not showing his taxes. It's important to show where people have income from and possible conflicts of interest.

The President of The United States of America refused to condemn White Supremacy on a live presidential debate.  Trump didn’t win, Biden didn’t lose, Americans lost tonight.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

Trump knew he flubbed that so that's why he went back to it randomly later on.

Yep, timing is everything.

It's as if Lloyd Bentsen had been unable to wait for his prepared zinger to Dan Quayle: "Senator, I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. You're no Jack Kennedy."

If he had delivered that before Quayle gave him the opening (comparing his age to that of Kennedy in 1960), it would have fallen flat.

He waited. He knew Quayle had been using that comparison. The timing was perfect. 

If in the next debate one of the questions is about Russia or foreign policy, the Hunter comeback would've worked.

But he knows he's behind, he knows ballots are already being cast, he was unwilling to wait for the right time, and as a result it is being largely ignored except by his narrow base, which is obsessed with it anyway.

[Backintheday544]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The point of the debates isn't to win people over.  This is 2020.  The media has decided for you who they know wins and has the correct positions and will be coddled accordingly.  

 

What Trump has understood since 2015 is that these debates need to fire up your base going into the election.  

 

Trump massively fired up his base tonight.  The only mistake he made was in response to the Racism question he didn't bring up Joe's "You ain't black" and the "Latinos are more creative" comments.  But that's ok we all know this.  Love how Wallace demanded Trump denounce White Supremacists causing all the raucous in our cities but refuses to press Biden on Antifa.

 

Biden said he opposes the Green New Deal, doesn't want to change or see Obamacare go either via SCOTUS or Trump....but then says it has to be improved.  Then refused to embrace BLM.  He couldn't have tried harder to distance himself from Bernie Sanders.....

 

And that's where he made the biggest miscalculation of the night....he called it HIS Democrat party....and bragged about beating Bernie.  Yup.  I'm sure the defeated true believers loved hearing that.  

 

No.  Biden failed in energizing anyone tonight.  And if you're one of the 50 undecided voters in America you were given no reason to vote Democrat.

 

Trump did. 

 

How is your Trump's biggest mistake wasn't condeming white nationalism? I thought you were there when you brought up the racism question, them you just surprised me!

4 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

The whole interaction was cringe worthy. All both candidates had to say was they respect their constitutional Right to protest but disavow any damage to property and violence towards humans. 

 

There's good people on both sides.

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Any other candidate would have viewed this question as the biggest softball in the history of debates:

"I condemn white supremacists, and I do not want their support."

It's what you say because there is no other acceptable answer. Seriously. None.

So why didn't he do it?

Either (a) he's a moron; or (b) he really does want their support.

Either one doesn't bode well.

He declared the KKK and Antifa terrorist organizations. There is an ongoing DOJ investigation into the money so they can shut the funding for Antifa down. But sure, he wants their support. 🙄

 

 

[BillStime]

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

It's not. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham just complained about a Democrat he's running against for not showing his taxes. It's important to show where people have income from and possible conflicts of interest.

The President did exactly this with his election filing, as he mentioned.

 

The taxes bit is about “showing” people who are ignorant of real estate and corporate accounting practices that the “President only paid $750 in taxes, while you paid thousands, and he’s a billionaire!!! How outrageous!!! He’s a tax avoiders!!!”

 

Which is exactly why Democratic talking points uniformly lined up that way.

[JetsFan20]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

The President of The United States of America refused to condemn White Supremacy on a live presidential debate.  Trump didn’t win, Biden didn’t lose, Americans lost tonight.

TBF that wasn’t Wallace’s question. He was speaking in the context of protester violence/riots. 
 

That said any time the word white supremacy comes up like that it’s probably a good idea to disavow immediately. 

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The point of the debates isn't to win people over.  This is 2020.  The media has decided for you who they know wins and has the correct positions and will be coddled accordingly.  

 

What Trump has understood since 2015 is that these debates need to fire up your base going into the election.  

 

Trump massively fired up his base tonight.  The only mistake he made was in response to the Racism question he didn't bring up Joe's "You ain't black" and the "Latinos are more creative" comments.  But that's ok we all know this.  Love how Wallace demanded Trump denounce White Supremacists causing all the raucous in our cities but refuses to press Biden on Antifa.

 

Biden said he opposes the Green New Deal, doesn't want to change or see Obamacare go either via SCOTUS or Trump....but then says it has to be improved.  Then refused to embrace BLM.  He couldn't have tried harder to distance himself from Bernie Sanders.....

 

And that's where he made the biggest miscalculation of the night....he called it HIS Democrat party....and bragged about beating Bernie.  Yup.  I'm sure the defeated true believers loved hearing that.  

 

No.  Biden failed in energizing anyone tonight.  And if you're one of the 50 undecided voters in America you were given no reason to vote Democrat.

 

Trump did. 

You make some valid points, but your conclusion is wrong.

Biden did not energize anyone (especially the Bernie Bros) to come out and vote for him.

Trump certainly energized some voters -- the anti-Trump voters.

The Biden vote has always been and always will be an anti-Trump vote. It was that way in the primaries (no real passion for him, but the idea that he was best situated to defeat Trump), and it is that way now. Trump asking the Proud Boys and other white nationalist groups to "stand-by" is all those Bernie Bros need to hear to decide that they need to get out and vote against Trump.

By the way, Biden wasn't sharp as a tack or anything, but there was only one significant flub (Trump finally tricked him into talking about the Green New Deal as his plan right at the end), but Biden caught himself and Trump didn't call him on it. The Joe is Senile thing is over. Joe is just old. (So is Trump)

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Backintheday544 said:

 

How is your Trump's biggest mistake wasn't condeming white nationalism? I thought you were there when you brought up the racism question, them you just surprised me!

 

 

Because the only people that actually think he's racist are leftists that hate him....he became racist the minute he ran for president.  

 

Its ridiculous and if you think him denouncing them would have changed any minds or comforted people really on edge about racism in America and would suddenly stop these same people leveling these racist charges against him from doing so....lol... ....um....no.  

 

 

[Backintheday544]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

The President did exactly this with his election filing, as he mentioned.

 

The taxes bit is about “showing” people who are ignorant of real estate and corporate accounting practices that the “President only paid $750 in taxes, while you paid thousands, and he’s a billionaire!!! How outrageous!!! He’s a tax avoiders!!!”

 

Which is exactly why Democratic talking points uniformly lined up that way.

 

Trump can be like, loom NYT you're fake news. Here's my taxes. It shuts down that point so fast.

 

Taxes show a ton of things. I for one would love to see the foreign disclosures. It doesn't show what the left wants them to show tho.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

14 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

It was hard to tell whose turn it was to talk with Trump always interrupting so that may have prejudiced your opinion.

Well he was getting tagteamed so he had to drop the gloves...

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You make some valid points, but your conclusion is wrong.

Biden did not energize anyone (especially the Bernie Bros) to come out and vote for him.

Trump certainly energized some voters -- the anti-Trump voters.

 

 

 

That's Biden's only base and they were voting anyway.  Probably already have.  It doesn't matter.  

[GETTOTHE50]

Now that I really think of it, Trump won by a landslide. Dems are calling it a shitshow bc Biden was incredibly weak and needed Wallace to cover for him. 
 

All you crazy libs can ***** right off just like you like to tell us conservatives. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

Well he was getting tagteamed so he had to drop the gloves...

 

 

Wallace is an embarrassment.  I don't care about pressing Trump from a critical lens.  

 

Where was that with Biden and on what?  When he asked Biden questions they were largely just to give him a chance to challenge Trump.

 

He's a joke.  

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

That's Biden's only base and they were voting anyway.  Probably already have.  It doesn't matter.  

Well, on that we'll agree. In the end, like almost all debates, it likely won't move the needle at all.

You could see that Trump felt like he needed to score points. He won't admit it, but he knows he's behind. Biden is playing out the clock.

[Backintheday544]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Because the only people that actually think he's racist are leftists that hate him....he became racist the minute he ran for president.  

 

Its ridiculous and if you think him denouncing them would have changed any minds or comforted people really on edge about racism in America and would suddenly stop these same people leveling these racist charges against him from doing so....lol... ....um....no.  

 

 

 

How easy is the question, do you condemn white nationalism? Any person can answer that, Yes I do condemn white nationalism. Why did Trump flub it?

3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Well he was getting tagteamed so he had to drop the gloves...

 

Watch the first.lime 510mins again. Trump came out talking over everyone.

 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Now that I really think of it, Trump won by a landslide. Dems are calling it a shitshow bc Biden was incredibly weak and needed Wallace to cover for him. 
 

All you crazy libs can ***** right off just like you like to tell us conservatives. 

 

 

My phone was blowing up with texts from Trump voters with "SO HYPE!!"  And "GET BIDEN OUT!"  And a few "throw the dam towel" memes.  

 

This was in the first 30 minutes.  The only part where casual voters watched.  Trump knew this.  

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Now that I really think of it, Trump won by a landslide. Dems are calling it a shitshow bc Biden was incredibly weak and needed Wallace to cover for him. 
 

All you crazy libs can ***** right off just like you like to tell us conservatives. 

If you weren't paying attention everybody here was calling it a ***** show too.

 

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Because the only people that actually think he's racist are leftists that hate him....he became racist the minute he ran for president.  

 

Its ridiculous and if you think him denouncing them would have changed any minds or comforted people really on edge about racism in America and would suddenly stop these same people leveling these racist charges against him from doing so....lol... ....um....no.  

 

 

He's not going to get the people on the left that's not who he needs what he needs is to seem reasonable to the people in the middle and they want him to be able to smash a meatball like that.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Backintheday544 said:

 

How easy is the question, do you condemn white nationalism? Any person can answer that, Yes I do condemn white nationalism. Why did Trump flub it?

I avoided the obvious conclusion for the first year or so of his presidency, but it has become abundantly clear to me since: he can't denounce them because they are his base. Without them, he loses.

That's the ugly truth about America today.

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

My phone was blowing up with texts from Trump voters with "SO HYPE!!"  And "GET BIDEN OUT!"  And a few "throw the dam towel" memes.  

 

This was in the first 30 minutes.  The only part where casual voters watched.  Trump knew this.  

Trump voters like Trump! That'll get you your 45% ...

[transplantbillsfan]

Yikes!!!

 

The only people thinking that was good for Trump are his cult.... 

 

I'd imagine there's about 32 pages so far of people here singing his praises claiming this actually helped him. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

Trump can be like, loom NYT you're fake news. Here's my taxes. It shuts down that point so fast.

 

Taxes show a ton of things. I for one would love to see the foreign disclosures. It doesn't show what the left wants them to show tho.

 

Here’s the thing though, most people, nearly all in fact, don’t understand the complexities of tax filings far less complex than the President’s.

 

Heck, most people don’t understand a document as simple and straightforward as a 1099R.

They literally have no ability to comprehend them, and so their understanding becomes whatever a hostile press tells them their understanding is.  In this case they buried  the fact that his tax filings conclusively reveal no troublesome financial dealings with Russia, but pushed the false notion that the President doesn’t pay taxes.

 

There is no political upside to releasing them, since the media won’t cover them honestly anyhow.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Warcodered said:

If you weren't paying attention everybody here was calling it a ***** show too.

 

He's not going to get the people on the left that's not who he needs what he needs is to seem reasonable to the people in the middle and they want him to be able to smash a meatball like that.

 

 

I've been saying this since 2015.  From the Blood coming out of Megyn Kelly's eyes or whatever he said.  That was August 2015.  His introduction to America in the first GOP debate.  

 

He hasn't changed. 

 

It hasn't mattered.  

 

He keeps winning.  

 

But sure tell them what to do. 

 

I think he knows exactly what he wanted to do.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Here’s the thing though, most people, nearly all in fact, don’t understand the complexities of tax filings far less complex than the President’s.

 

Heck, most people don’t understand a document as simple and straightforward as a 1099R.

They literally have no ability to comprehend them, and so their understanding becomes whatever a hostile press tells them their understanding is.  In this case they buried  the fact that his tax filings conclusively reveal no troublesome financial dealings with Russia, but pushed the false notion that the President doesn’t pay taxes.

 

There is no political upside to releasing them, since the media won’t cover them honestly anyhow.

Now there's a stretch. @Backintheday, would you expect to see that level of granularity in these filings?

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Wallace is an embarrassment.  I don't care about pressing Trump from a critical lens.  

 

Where was that with Biden and on what?  When he asked Biden questions they were largely just to give him a chance to challenge Trump.

 

He's a joke.  

He might as well of had his hand up Biden's ass because he was his puppet master...

 

Softballs to Biden

 

Attacking Trump

 

Rescuing Biden when he had a fork in him

 

Talking over Trump every time he began answering

 

Actually debating Trump like he was his opponent

 

Allowing Biden to retort everything but never letting Trump respond

 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I've been saying this since 2015.  From the Blood coming out of Megyn Kelly's eyes or whatever he said.  That was August 2015.  His introduction to America in the first GOP debate.  

 

He hasn't changed. 

 

It hasn't mattered.  

 

He keeps winning.  

 

But sure tell them what to do. 

 

I think he knows exactly what he wanted to do.

He keeps winning? He's won 1 election against a democrat barely. Everything else was the primary where firing up the base gets you in.

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Now there's a stretch. @Backintheday, would you expect to see that level of granularity in these filings?

This was reported by the NYT, though they buried it.

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I avoided the obvious conclusion for the first year or so of his presidency, but it has become abundantly clear to me since: he can't denounce them because they are his base. Without them, he loses.

That's the ugly truth about America today.

Trump voters like Trump! That'll get you your 45% ...

 

 

I told you.  He just wants the base fired up.  He did that.  

 

And its 47% and that will be enough again.  Unless they get enough fake ballots.   

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

He might as well of had his hand up Biden's ass because he was his puppet master...

 

Softballs to Biden

 

Attacking Trump

 

Rescuing Biden when he had a fork in him

 

Talking over Trump every time he began answering

 

Actually debating Trump like he was his opponent

 

Allowing Biden to retort everything but never letting Trump respond

 

There was no bigger softball than "Do you condemn white supremacists." That's kind of like "Do you condemn running over kittens with lawnmowers?"

Trump flubbed it all by himself, no help from Chris Wallace or Joe Biden.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Warcodered said:

He keeps winning? He's won 1 election against a democrat barely. Everything else was the primary where firing up the base gets you in.

 

Like Biden?