Doc Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 This is how Trump should’ve been in the first debate. Hopefully it isn’t too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: AZ - 68 percent chance Biden. Odds have beens gifting Bidens way. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/arizona/ FL - 72 percent chance Biden. Odds been constant https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/florida/ NC - 67 percent Biden. Odds shifting more Biden https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/north-carolina/ PA - 87 percent Biden. Odds moving towards Biden. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/ NV - 90 percent Biden. Odds moving towards Biden. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/nevada/ now do the polls where except for pa its a percent or two in each direction. within margin of error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Looking at it quick.. no he doesn't. It would come down to Iowa, Maine and if in a tie, who wins the house since the house would chose in a tie. Plus winning Arizona, FL, GA, NC, OH and PA would be a long shot since he's down in several of these states. Don't forget, he's defending Texas. And he's defending Georgia! Still sounds like Good to me Maybe we should vote for a president who can properly say words so that there is not an ambiguity like Biden does? Thanks for posting that link. So I didn’t hear “good”. You can stick to your ears but (a) the moderator said she’s got to move on (b) There was a quick exchange (c) Biden made his point about the kids (d) Trump turned his attention to the moderator — not to Joe — and said “go ahead”, as in let’s get on with what you were waiting for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, snafu said: Thanks for posting that link. So I didn’t hear “good”. You can stick to your ears but (a) the moderator said she’s got to move on (b) There was a quick exchange (c) Biden made his point about the kids (d) Trump turned his attention to the moderator — not to Joe — and said “go ahead”, as in let’s get on with what you were waiting for. He obviously wouldn’t have said “good.” TDS can make people hear, see and think things that aren’t there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Figster said: I remember the 1st time I went to Matagorda Beach, Texas thinking how beautiful the beaches were there until I stepped into a puddle of oil. I eventually got used to dodging the oil puddles, but my point is Doc people care about their environment. I wouldn't underestimate how much protecting the bodies of water mother nature has given us and air we breath means to people. I think folks are going to vote to have a job. Trump is good for the economy. Green New Deal is utopian lalaland and ordinary folks who have to pay bills and raise their families know this. Also, I think there are ways to preserve the environment and still have a thriving energy industry. The either/or is a false narrative. Nonetheless, I concur that the cost to the environment is often appalling. I do not concede that only lefties care about the issue. The dispute is over how best to address the matter. If your answer kills the economy, you don't have a plausible response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: This is how Trump should’ve been in the first debate. Hopefully it isn’t too late. Too late. He's going to be fired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: No he said good. muppy ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: now do the polls where except for pa its a percent or two in each direction. within margin of error AZ average poll is Biden + 3.5 FL is Biden 3.3 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/florida/ NC average poll is Biden + 2.9 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/north-carolina/ NV average poll is Biden +6.6 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/nevada/ PA average poll is Biden +6.2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/pennsylvania/ Trump would absolutely need PA and he doesn't have it at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think folks are going to vote to have a job. Trump is good for the economy. Green New Deal is utopian lalaland and ordinary folks who have to pay bills and raise their families know this. Also, I think there are ways to preserve the environment and still have a thriving energy industry. The either/or is a false narrative. Nonetheless, I concur that the cost to the environment is often appalling. I do not concede that only lefties care about the issue. The dispute is over how best to address the matter. If your answer kills the economy, you don't have a plausible response. There's a lot of support for protecting the environment. What's missing from the discussion is what are the "costs" in terms of funding outlays and costs and potential changes in living arrangements and standards. Clean energy plans are almost exclusively linked to converting petroleum based energy consumption to electricity. But it needs to be noted that electricity is not an energy source. Its an energy carrier. The source is the system or process that creates or generates it. If you do the math against the BTU or energy output potential of oil, gasoline, and natural gas and equate that to the amount of "Green Energy" electrical generation capacity needed to equal our current consumption you'll find the green footprint on the economy and landscape is many times larger than what is being discussed. For the electrical grid the goal is to produce constant and uninterruptible base load output without variance. No pure solar/wind generation setup is going to be able to do that. You'll need batteries for a start to design for drops and dips in wind and sunlight. Plus adding capacity for seasonal differences in weather and the Earth's tilt to the Sun. The ironic thing is factories that produce wind turbines and solar cells & collectors and batteries use a lot of oil. Or can you run a solar and wind and battery manufacturing facility on green energy without things like plastics and other materials derived from hydrocarbons? These are just some details I don't see any discussion about. It leads me to conclude talk about total elimination of the use of oil and the oil industry is pure fantasy unless your want to cut the living standard of every person back to an 1800's level. Mostly driven by a false belief that "technology" can solve every problem we'll every encounter. Edited October 23, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: This is how Trump should’ve been in the first debate. Hopefully it isn’t too late. Instead of his bullying obscuring his lies, Covid Donnie's attempt to pretend to be civil put his constant steam of lies front and center to tens of millions of viewers, especially on the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: AZ average poll is Biden + 3.5 FL is Biden 3.3 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/florida/ NC average poll is Biden + 2.9 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/north-carolina/ NV average poll is Biden +6.6 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/nevada/ PA average poll is Biden +6.2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/pennsylvania/ Trump would absolutely need PA and he doesn't have it at this moment. take a look at the trafalgar group polls. they predicted the 2016 election. they have trump winning arizona, wisconsin, michigan , florida, n carolina but losing pa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's what I heard too. I had to rewind it to make sure because there's no way in hell he's dumb enough to say good. If it's 269-269 (which could happen if all states remain the same except Biden flipping AZ, MI, and WI), I believe it's likely Trump would win based off state delegation control. Nobody would be that dumb, except maybe Biden when he gets flustered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Too late. He's going to be fired! You’re good with all Biden’s big lies last night, yes? super predator can keep your health plan fracking kid cages Does nobody do fact checking anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, snafu said: You’re good with all Biden’s big lies last night, yes? super predator can keep your health plan fracking kid cages Does nobody do fact checking anymore? CNN does. They found that Covid Donnie spewed lies almost non-stop, especially on issues important to the American electorate like the coronavirus pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: take a look at the trafalgar group polls. they predicted the 2016 election. they have trump winning arizona, wisconsin, michigan , florida, n carolina but losing pa. Trafalgar gives Trump an artificial bump due to what they call the shy Trump voter. It's the reasons why they thought Trump would win North Carolina by 5 and Florida by 4 in 2016. The shy Trump swing came more from the undecides going overwhelmingly to Trump, an the were going to win would be Hilary voters that went 3rd party. This time, there is about 2 percent undecided. There is also no third party candidate taking Dem votes. With no third party in 2016, Hilary would have won the great lakes states and would be president now. Trump needs to match not only his 16 performance but also gain enough voters to make up for no third party candidate support. RCP averages have been much more accurate Edited October 23, 2020 by Backintheday544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, snafu said: You’re good with all Biden’s big lies last night, yes? super predator can keep your health plan fracking kid cages Does nobody do fact checking anymore? One of the four is a straight up lie( insurance plan). The rest are half truths/lies. In '93 he called them "predators on our street." He's calling for banning of fracking on federal land (about 10%) and Obama never separated kids from their families at the border. The cages were for kids crossing the border unaccompanied. Trying to imply Obama had the same policy is incorrect. Maybe fact check for yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, SoTier said: CNN does. They found that Covid Donnie spewed lies almost non-stop, especially on issues important to the American electorate like the coronavirus pandemic. ...game over then.......we have the GOSPEL truth..........good Lord I think I've heard it all....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 gotta love biden's response to the 94 crime bill being a mistake and that they've made up for by letting the people out of prison. like that makes it all better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 President Donald Trump won the final debate against Democrat Joe Biden, but that's not going to be enough to get him reelected, Republican pollster and strategist Frank Luntz told CNBC on Friday. "You got to give Trump a minor victory because he'll bring some [undecided] voters home, and it'll close the race a little bit. But in the end, I think Joe Biden won the war," Luntz said in a "Squawk Box" interview, predicting that Trump, with 11 days until the Nov. 3 election and more than 47 million votes already cast, does not have enough time to overcome Biden's national and swing state polling leads. Luntz said that even if the polls are wrong, as they were in 2016 when Trump pulled off an upset victory over Hillary Clinton, it's "virtually impossible" for the president to win. Luntz, who predicted Clinton would win then, noted that polls four years ago were only off a few points but Biden's lead in the 2020 race is wide enough to overcome any margin of error. Luntz also said that pollsters like himself have been much more cautious during this campaign cycle. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/23/gop-pollster-frank-luntz-trump-won-debate-but-biden-will-win-election.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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