B-Man Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 5/15/2023 at 4:08 PM, B-Man said: Russia Was Not a Democratic Hoax Yes. Yes it was. and everyone knew it. Reminder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Exactly…now you’re coming around. 😁 So much winning for the Dems...of elections. Running the country? We all lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 FBI Agents Working On Russia Probe Say Leaders Concealed Intelligence On Hillary’s Role Order not to put anything in writing "was the most inappropriate operational or professional statement he had ever heard at the FBI," FBI lawyer said. https://www.dailywire.com/news/betrayal-fbi-agents-working-on-russia-probe-say-leaders-concealed-intelligence-on-hillarys-role 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SydneyBillsFan Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 9 hours ago, BillStime said: SO MUCH WINNING Your version of winning is the equivalent of a sixth-placed ribbon at the children's edition of the Special Olympics. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: Your version of winning is the equivalent of a sixth-placed ribbon at the children's edition of the Special Olympics. No need to make fun of kids with special needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 My gut instinct throughout this whole Trump/Russia ordeal was that Trump wasn't competent enough to collude with Russia so it was likely a "democratic hoax." It's a horrible look for the FBI, Hillary Clinton, and the media that pushed this. I do wish more people were aware of the extent to how effed up this was. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: No need to make fun of kids with special needs. Whose making fun of kids? I'm having a laugh exclusively at your expense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, B-Man said: FBI Agents Working On Russia Probe Say Leaders Concealed Intelligence On Hillary’s Role Order not to put anything in writing "was the most inappropriate operational or professional statement he had ever heard at the FBI," FBI lawyer said. https://www.dailywire.com/news/betrayal-fbi-agents-working-on-russia-probe-say-leaders-concealed-intelligence-on-hillarys-role Most interesting was that the CIA knew in September 2016 that Russian intelligence knew back in August of 2016 abut the Clinton campaign teams plot and actions to present Trump as a Russian agent/asset. That the CIA did not inform Federal law enforcement or election officials of the Clinton campaign's illegal activities is telling. And begs an explanation. Why didn't the CIA inform the FBI which armed with this knowledge would have most likely shut down the investigation into Trump? Sadly, expect none. But bigger is how did Russian intelligence know details about Clinton campaign activities? Did they have sources inside the DNC or the Clinton campaign? Did FusionGPS and Steele feed Russian agents with information from their meetings with the campaign on the dossier and the plan? Or in reverse, did Russian intelligence feed Steele misinformation about Trump? Was the entire Russia Hoax to discredit Trump a misdirection effort to distract from the true Russian objective of "helping" Clinton get elected? Lots of questions but dead ends based on the report. Unfortunately, the Durham investigation didn't drill down into these connections and relationships to get to the origins of the entire narrative and plot. Edited May 17, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: Whose making fun of kids? I'm having a laugh exclusively at your expense. yeah bro - so much winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, BillStime said: yeah bro - so much winning Well you lost one here. The Russian Hoax has been proven to be just that, a hoax manufactured by the "Clinton Intelligence Plan" concocted by the 2016 campaign. You got snookered into believing and spreading lies for almost 7 years. There is no collaborating evidence of collusion. The CIA and FBI know the plan originated with the Clinton campaign. That can't feel good. To summarize: There was no valid predicate for the investigation, and the FBI knew it. The Trump campaign investigation was premised on “raw, un-analyzed and uncorroborated intelligence,” and U.S. intel agencies possessed no “actual evidence of collusion” when the probe began. Stories published in the New York Times in February and March 2017 claiming Trump associates were in contact with Russian intelligence agents were false. Durham was highly critical of the FBI’s “startling and inexplicable failure” to investigate the so-called “Clinton Intelligence Plan.” The CIA knew of the Clinton Intelligence Plan and also knew Russian intelligence knew about the plan to discredit Trump. But the CIA did not communicate that information to any agency such as the FBI nor did they stand up at any time to set the record straight, eliminate the need for the Mueller investigation, or contest anything published in news such as stories by the New York Times and the Washington Post. Logic would suggest the leadership at the CIA and the FBI withheld information and carried out investigations that conflicted with facts because wanted Clinton to win the 2016 election. Media outlets turned away from performing any real due diligence on their sources or stories, refused to investigate anything, and simply went along with the story because it supported their political views rather than the truth. That's the actual 2016 election interference. End of story. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Well you lost one here. The Russian Hoax has been proven to be just that, a hoax manufactured by the "Clinton Intelligence Plan" concocted by the 2016 campaign. You got snookered into believing and spreading lies for almost 7 years. There is no collaborating evidence of collusion. The CIA and FBI know the plan originated with the Clinton campaign. That can't feel good. To summarize: There was no valid predicate for the investigation, and the FBI knew it. The Trump campaign investigation was premised on “raw, un-analyzed and uncorroborated intelligence,” and U.S. intel agencies possessed no “actual evidence of collusion” when the probe began. Stories published in the New York Times in February and March 2017 claiming Trump associates were in contact with Russian intelligence agents were false. Durham was highly critical of the FBI’s “startling and inexplicable failure” to investigate the so-called “Clinton Intelligence Plan.” The CIA knew of the Clinton Intelligence Plan and also knew Russian intelligence knew about the plan to discredit Trump. But the CIA did not communicate that information to any agency such as the FBI nor did they stand up at any time to set the record straight, eliminate the need for the Mueller investigation, or contest anything published in news such as stories by the New York Times and the Washington Post. Logic would suggest the leadership at the CIA and the FBI withheld information and carried out investigations that conflicted with facts because wanted Clinton to win the 2016 election. Media outlets turned away from performing any real due diligence on their sources or stories, refused to investigate anything, and simply went along with the story because it supported their political views rather than the truth. That's the actual 2016 election interference. End of story. Awe you try so hard. Trump campaign meeting with the Russians 140+ times was not a HOAX. Trump campaign sharing polling data with Russians was not a HOAX. Trump campaign coordinating the DNC/Wikileaks with Russians was not a HOAX Keep spinning all pro - you can never change history no matter how hard you try. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 trying to overthrow the government 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 With both Mueller and Durham we now have double confirmation based on two special counsel multi million dollar investigations that we live under a police state where the FBI will investigate people, based on absolutely zero evidence, in search of crimes instead of the other way around. We also know that the very same police state FBI will NOT investigate potential crimes tied to people who belong to the right political party. See Biden family. Has @ChiGoose been around yet to embarrass herself with another hand waving post? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: With both Mueller and Durham we now have double confirmation based on two special counsel multi million dollar investigations that we live under a police state where the FBI will investigate people, based on absolutely zero evidence, in search of crimes instead of the other way around. We also know that the very same police state FBI will NOT investigate potential crimes tied to people who belong to the right political party. See Biden family. Has @ChiGoose been around yet to embarrass herself with another hand waving post? This isn’t about political party. Although on the surface it appears to be. Donald Trump didn’t need to be taken down because he was a Republican. He needed to be eliminated because he was an outsider. The goal was to send a message both to Trump and anyone else who might dare to shine a light into the status quo of these entrenched government bureaucracies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This isn’t about political party. Although on the surface it appears to be. Donald Trump didn’t need to be taken down because he was a Republican. He needed to be eliminated because he was an outsider. The goal was to send a message both to Trump and anyone else who might dare to shine a light into the status quo of these entrenched government bureaucracies. Um - no body brought Trump down but himself. And the American people voted and eliminated the crook. Deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This isn’t about political party. Although on the surface it appears to be. Donald Trump didn’t need to be taken down because he was a Republican. He needed to be eliminated because he was an outsider. The goal was to send a message both to Trump and anyone else who might dare to shine a light into the status quo of these entrenched government bureaucracies. Trump was an "outsider" in name only. He did all the same crap that has been going on for years. He was just dumb enough to talk about it too. His family profited the same as everyone else in office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, cle23 said: Trump was an "outsider" in name only. He did all the same crap that has been going on for years. He was just dumb enough to talk about it too. His family profited the same as everyone else in office. Anyone with over 3,000 lawsuits against should be nowhere near the White House. But it is fun to watch the cult turn themselves into pretzels trying to defend Trump yet hold Biden to HIGHER standards. Fn hypocrites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This isn’t about political party. Although on the surface it appears to be. Donald Trump didn’t need to be taken down because he was a Republican. He needed to be eliminated because he was an outsider. The goal was to send a message both to Trump and anyone else who might dare to shine a light into the status quo of these entrenched government bureaucracies. this…. What this report really demonstrates is the deep state isn’t some mythical vast secret conspiracy. It’s an overt self fulfilling prophecy. All these bloated bureaucracies have one purpose- self preservation and stealing as much tax money as they can to grow their empires. Just like most every other company they are extremely political organizations too and have very transactional relationships with the politicians and the levers of power. it is part and parcel why big central government inherently flawed, inevitably destined for authoritarianism (the quiet kind or the overt kind). The only mitigation is division of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: This isn’t about political party. Although on the surface it appears to be. Donald Trump didn’t need to be taken down because he was a Republican. He needed to be eliminated because he was an outsider. The goal was to send a message both to Trump and anyone else who might dare to shine a light into the status quo of these entrenched government bureaucracies. Agreed about Trump. He was a democrat back in the day after all. Half of the GOP is complicit as well, however the only way you're going to get the FBI to look the other way for certain is if you're a connected member of the Washington elite with a D after your name. Edited May 17, 2023 by BillsFanNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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