Russia Was Not a Democratic Hoax

[Doc]

LOL!  Six years later and some people still believe Russian collusion.  Must have taken them a long time to believe that Santa Claus, the Easter Rabbit and the Tooth Fairy weren't real either...

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

How dare they!!!! 

 

Yes, it was the Dems fault Russia wanted Trump to be president! 

 

🙄

They found Russia wanted Trump to win, and helped him 

Unfortunately, we've seen plenty of reason to view what's passed as an objective Intelligence assessment with a jaundiced eye. From spying on American citizens, selective leaking to influence the opinions of ordinary citizens, unmasking, the withholding of critical information that might better inform citizens on issues of national importance, and massive/huge misses on stories like the Biden laptop, it's in one's best interest to question what is passed as fact.  There was a time, probably, when prominent members of the left knew and warned about that sort of thing, but it seems the suggestion these days is for people to be all in on whatever narrative is being sold.  

 

That said, what the Russians may/may not have wanted is largely irrelevant to the question of whether or not DJT was elected illegitimately, or his election resulted from a coup, or if he committed acts of treason in an effort to get elected.  In that regard, the democrats who spread knowingly false information about the legitimacy of our election in 2015 did more to aid the Russians in any effort to upset out apple cart than any troll farm could possibly hope to achieve.  

 

We know the conclusion of the Special Counsel and AG assessment of it.  This is a matter of record--Trump was a victim of democrat political persecution.   You may not like those facts, but they are the facts nonetheless.  

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Unfortunately, we've seen plenty of reason to view what's passed as an objective Intelligence assessment with a jaundiced eye.  

I don't think so at all. Hard to believe anyone would believe Trump about anything. But looking at his kowtowing To Putin it was obvious to anyone THAT CARED they were at the very least rowing in the same direction. 

 

It's simply self-evident at this point 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

They found Russia wanted Trump to win, and helped him 

You're just flailing away here.  Like a fighter that takes a beating you just don't know when to stay down. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You're just flailing away here.  Like a fighter that takes a beating you just don't know when to stay down. 

No, actually not. He was tied to Putin, obviously. 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I don't think so at all. Hard to believe anyone would believe Trump about anything. But looking at his kowtowing To Putin it was obvious to anyone THAT CARED they were at the very least rowing in the same direction. 

 

It's simply self-evident at this point 

“…at least rowing in the same direction” means nothing in the context of the Russian collusion narrative.   With all the time, effort and money that went into tying Trump to treason, these are nickledick words to justify your belief in a disproven narrative.  
 

We know what happened.  We know the democrats spread election disinformation to unseat Trump and scuttle his agenda, and we know you were ok with that.   We know that Biden defeated Trump in 2020, and that Putin launched his invasion a short time later. 
 

These are the facts. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, actually not. He was tied to Putin, obviously. 

 

 

That's the fictitious story the resistance continues to peddle but to this point in time there's nothing that shows Trump and Putin have a relationship outside the diplomatic channels used by heads of state from 2017 to 2020.  As Putin does not speak English and Trump does not speak Russian any conversations were attended by other officials and interpreters.  nobody said peep about any irregularities.  Do you think they used secret hand signals over Zoom to collude? 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

“…at least rowing in the same direction” means nothing in the context of the Russian collusion narrative.   With all the time, effort and money that went into tying Trump to treason, these are nickledick words to justify your belief in a disproven narrative.  
 

We know what happened.  We know the democrats spread election disinformation to unseat Trump and scuttle his agenda, and we know you were ok with that.   We know that Biden defeated Trump in 2020, and that Putin launched his invasion a short time later. 
 

These are the facts. 

Russia wanted Trump to win. That's so obvious. Trump obvioulsy welcomed the help. 

 

People that supported Trump, and still do, also welcomed the help and hope for more. That's why there is this frantic push back against the truth by Trump supporters, and those that lie and say they don't support him 

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's the fictitious story the resistance continues to peddle but to this point in time there's nothing that shows Trump and Putin have a relationship outside the diplomatic channels used by heads of state from 2017 to 2020.  As Putin does not speak English and Trump does not speak Russian any conversations were attended by other officials and interpreters.  nobody said peep about any irregularities.  Do you think they used secret hand signals over Zoom to collude? 

You mean the meeting where the trasnscripts went mysteriously missing? 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's the fictitious story the resistance continues to peddle

 

Ladies and Gentlemen - I present you the 2020 GOP Senate report:

 

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCEUNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

LOL!  Six years later and some people still believe Russian collusion.  Must have taken them a long time to believe that Santa Claus, the Easter Rabbit and the Tooth Fairy weren't real either...

So you don’t believe that Russia tried to interfere in 2016?

 

Or do you not believe the Trump campaign welcomed that help?

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

So you don’t believe that Russia tried to interfere in 2016?

 

Or do you not believe the Trump campaign welcomed that help?

 

 

Russia DID interfere in 2016.

 

Plus in 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008,2012,  and 2020

 

 

No.

 

Trump did not WELCOME Russian interference.

 

That has been proven again and again (and ignored again and again)

 

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[ChiGoose]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

Russia DID interfere in 2016.

 

Plus in 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008,2012,  and 2020

 

 

No.

 

Trump did not WELCOME Russian interference.

 

That has been proven again and again (and ignored again and again)

 

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The Trump campaign definitely did.
 

That has been proven again and again (and ignored again and again). 

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Ladies and Gentlemen - I present you the 2020 GOP Senate report:

 

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCEUNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION

No technical data on the servers, standard stuff AWS monitors and tracks such as access logs, download logs, IP addresses, firewall and security alerts, user sessions and log in records, etc., has ever been provided to FBI or other law enforcement experts that enabled them to establish definitive proof the DNC was hacked by Russian operatives.   

       

 

 

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

No technical data on the servers, standard stuff AWS monitors and tracks such as access logs, download logs, IP addresses, firewall and security alerts, user sessions and log in records, etc., has ever been provided to FBI or other law enforcement experts that enabled them to establish definitive proof the DNC was hacked by Russian operatives.   

       

 

 

 

I wonder what Flynn was getting at?

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

October 11, 1993, 9:30pm    @ChiGoose walks into a club, surveys the throng of sweating,  heaving danceflesh, and yells to his posse "YOU WON'T EVER SEE ME UP THERE DANCING THAT DAMN MACARENO!  BUNCHA LOSERS!". 

 

6 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

It’s amazing to me that people are still debating this. 
 

If you believe either:

-Russia did not try to influence the 2016 election; or

- The Trump campaign did not attempt to work with Russians to win the election;

 

then you’re just ignorant. It’s not even worth debating because at this point, it’s like arguing with someone who says the sky is green. 

 

 

 

 

October 11, 1993, 9:51pm, Chi Goose...

 

 

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

So you don’t believe that Russia tried to interfere in 2016?

 

Or do you not believe the Trump campaign welcomed that help?

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://dnyuz.com/2023/01/26/barr-pressed-durham-to-find-flaws-in-the-russia-investigation-it-didnt-go-well/

Mr. Trump would repeatedly portray the Mueller report as having found “no collusion with Russia.” The reality was more complex. In fact, the report detailed “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign,” and it established both how Moscow had worked to help Mr. Trump win and how his campaign had expected to benefit from the foreign interference.

Edited January 26, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tiberius]

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Hoax from beginning to end commies. But keep living in clown world 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

Hoax from beginning to end commies. But keep living in clown world 

Hey, if they didn’t want to be investigated for trying to work with Russia, they shouldn’t have spent all that time trying to work with Russia. 

[B-Man]

57 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Hey, if they didn’t want to be investigated for trying to work with Russia, they shouldn’t have spent all that time trying to work with Russia. 

 

 

Thanks for the wonderful example of "authentic PPP gibberish"

 

 

 

Reminder:

 

The entire Russian\Trump Collusion kerfuffle has been proven false

 

Multiple times

 

But those who have invested all their efforts and have nothing else

will continue to " cling to" ( a little Barack lingo there)  this hoax.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Doc]

Funny how just 4 years prior, the Russians were Barry's friends.  He scoffed at Romney claiming they were the US's biggest geopolitical threat and even asked for them to not to do anything provocative until after he won re-election.  But once Hilly loses...

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Thanks for the wonderful example of "authentic PPP gibberish"

 

 

 

Reminder:

 

The entire Russian\Trump Collusion kerfuffle has been proven false

 

Multiple times

 

But those who have invested all their efforts and have nothing else

will continue to " cling to" ( a little Barack lingo there)  this hoax.

 

 

 

 

 

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I mean, it hasn’t. At all. 
 

Sure, there are lefties who made ridiculous claims like Trump was taking orders from Putin or that everything in the Steele Dossier was true. People like to jump at the juicy gossip without actually verifying it first. 
 

But the actual crux of the matter, that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election and that the Trump campaign was trying to work with them? That’s 100% proven as true. Multiple times. 
 

Denying that is just ignorance. 

[BillsFanNC]

https://redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/12/12/dan-bongino-discovers-critical-new-information-ig-report-actions-crossfire-hurricane-team-n122563

 

Summary of link quoted below, but again as many here have been saying all along, if 17 egregious mistakes are all due to simple bumbling FBI agents then I've got great Nebraska oceanfront property to sell you.

 

The biggest "mistake" being an FBI attorney changing an email that says "Carter Page is a CIA asset" to "Carter Page is NOT a CIA asset" and then presented it to a FISA judge to get a warrant.

 

The same agent who altered evidence above also has a text message stating "viva la resistance" in reference to Trump.

 

sure, just innocent mistakes!

 

 

The FBI spied on Carter Page and George Papadopoulos both before and after they were affiliated with the Trump campaign.

The FBI initially tried to obtain FISA warrants to spy on both Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. On August 15th, the FBI’s OGC refused both, saying there was insufficient probable cause.

 

The CIA sent a memo to the FBI in August 2016 to inform them that Carter Page was working for them, that he was not a Russian spy.

“The insurance policy was the FBI knowingly lying and manipulating about Carter Page pretending he wasn’t an asset for the CIA, but an asset for the Russians. And manipulating emails to make a FISA judge believe what were benign, mundane contacts with Russians and some that were not benign, but were on behalf of a U.S. government mission were actually evidentiary data points that Carter Page was a U.S. spy worthy of spying on.”

 

Why was the FBI spying on George Papadopoulos before he was named as a Trump advisor?

 

As analysts dig deeper into the IG report, Michael Horowitz’ conclusion that the FBI had sufficient cause to open their counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign becomes more difficult to believe. The FBI is a highly selective agency and it can be assumed that anyone who has passed muster possesses a reasonably high level of intelligence. This doesn’t make them immune to mistakes. However, it does provide a certain amount of assurance that errors will be kept to a minimum. Similar to James Comey’s exoneration statement of Hillary, the IG lists one egregious deed after another, then tells us they were unintended. To quote Hillary Clinton, the acceptance of the countless “mistakes” and the “poor judgement” of top-level FBI officials outlined in the IG report requires the willing suspension of disbelief.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I mean, it hasn’t. At all. 
 

Sure, there are lefties who made ridiculous claims like Trump was taking orders from Putin or that everything in the Steele Dossier was true. People like to jump at the juicy gossip without actually verifying it first. 
 

But the actual crux of the matter, that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election and that the Trump campaign was trying to work with them? That’s 100% proven as true. Multiple times. 
 

Denying that is just ignorance. 

This.  It was an integral part of the Mueller report, ignored by Barr and the right at the risk of our democracy.  Russia wanted trump to win but more importantly wanted/wants to destroy American democracy.  The two are intertwined.  Fortunately, Russia is getting its ass handed to it in Ukraine and has more pressing priorities right now, like remaining a relevant global power.

Edited January 27, 2023 by redtail hawk

[SoCal Deek]

I’ll keep saying it. There wasn’t a single US voter in 2016 that didn’t know those two candidates, and who didn’t make a purposeful decision to vote for their preference. Not a single one! The Russians had absolutely nothing to do with it. 

If you want to know what REALLY happened; the Clinton team promoted Trump through the primaries because they thought they could take him out once they got to the debate stage, as an inexperienced buffoon against the former Secretary of State. It didn’t work…because well over half the country cannot stand Hillary Clinton. Period! 

 

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

On 1/25/2023 at 8:59 AM, Chris farley said:

Is it getting rough seeing all the stories fall apart? 

 

[Tiberius]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

Funny how just 4 years prior, the Russians were Barry's friends.  He scoffed at Romney claiming they were the US's biggest geopolitical threat and even asked for them to not to do anything provocative until after he won re-election.  But once Hilly loses...

It was before the election, actually. But don’t let the facts get in your way.  

 

 

[Doc]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ll keep saying it. There wasn’t a single US voter in 2016 that didn’t know those two candidates, and who didn’t make a purposeful decision to vote for their preference. Not a single one! The Russians had absolutely nothing to do with it. 

If you want to know what REALLY happened; the Clinton team promoted Trump through the primaries because they thought they could take him out once they got to the debate stage, as an inexperienced buffoon against the former Secretary of State. It didn’t work…because well over half the country cannot stand Hillary Clinton. Period!

 

Yup.  And Trump gave Russian nothing and vice versa. 

 

Russia was and has been looking for the US to tear itself apart from within.  I'll keep saying that the Dems did it for them far better than they ever could have done themselves.

 

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

It was before the election, actually. But don’t let the facts get in your way.

 

Yes.  You can read.  Good job.

[Orlando Tim]

16 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I mean, it hasn’t. At all. 
 

Sure, there are lefties who made ridiculous claims like Trump was taking orders from Putin or that everything in the Steele Dossier was true. People like to jump at the juicy gossip without actually verifying it first. 
 

But the actual crux of the matter, that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election and that the Trump campaign was trying to work with them? That’s 100% proven as true. Multiple times. 
 

Denying that is just ignorance. 

Russia meddling in US election is true- they wanted to weaken whoever the president was and they found willing idiots all over the place.

[ChiGoose]

21 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Russia meddling in US election is true- they wanted to weaken whoever the president was and they found willing idiots all over the place.

Yup and that is definitely worth investigating.

[SoCal Deek]

The 1980s just called….they want their world order back. 

[Tiberius]

The Russians called and want a meeting a Trump Tower. They got it, of course. 

 

Paul Manafort was there, too. Working both for Putin and Trump. That's a fact 

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The Russians called and want a meeting a Trump Tower. They got it, of course. 

 

Paul Manafort was there, too. Working both for Putin and Trump. That's a fact 

 

And the meeting was about how to steal the election?  And the solution was a few million in FB ads that did nothing to sway anyone's opinion?

[ChiGoose]

36 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And the meeting was about how to steal the election?  And the solution was a few million in FB ads that did nothing to sway anyone's opinion?

It was about the Russians saying they had dirt on Hillary. 
 

The right thing to do would be to decline and report the offer to the FBI. But the Trump campaign took the meeting instead. 

[B-Man]

Column: Time for truth and reconciliation on the Russia collusion hoax

BY MICHAEL BARONE

Jan 22, 2023

 

What are “the major problems this country faces”? Writing in The Atlantic, New York Times columnist David Brooks leads off his list with “inequality, political polarization, social mistrust” before concluding with the inevitable “climate change.” Today’s “inequality,” he notes, is as “savage” as the inequality in the 1890s.

 

That was a decade in which the U.S. didn’t have much of a welfare state safety net. Today, it does. As Phil Gramm and his two co-authors point out in “The Myth of American Inequality,” government transfer programs have produced nearly equal incomes for the bottom 60% of earners and have all but eliminated poverty. That doesn’t sound very “savage.”

 

Brooks also notes recent real income gains, citing American Enterprise Institute economist Michael Strain, and writes that “recent administrations have moved to redistribute wealth downward.” He evidently omitted recent presidents’ names, lest he credit former President Donald Trump with a positive accomplishment and cause apoplexy among Atlantic readers.

 

(snip)

 

They’re right to blame Trump and many of his supporters for claiming (inaccurately, as The New York Times and other publications invariably and correctly note) that the 2020 election was stolen and that the country would be better off if they confessed error and asked forgiveness.

 

But the country would be better off if Brooks’ employer and colleagues and their many readers would also confess error and seek forgiveness themselves for the persistent election denial of leading Democrats, including the party’s new leader in the House of Representatives, going back to 2000 and very much including 2016.

 

 

They should also seek forgiveness for a byproduct of that election denial, the Russia collusion hoax. This conspiracy theory, concocted by the Hillary Clinton campaign, was aided and abetted by leaders of the FBI and intelligence agencies, advanced by lies and misrepresentations by congressional Democrats, and reported with relish and credulity by much of the media.

 

Something in the nature of an admission of error came belatedly from New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet in August 2019, according to a transcript of a meeting with angry reporters and editors. Baquet said the paper was “a little tiny bit flat-footed” when special counsel Robert Mueller ended his investigation without confirming Democrats’ constant charges of collusion with Russia.

 

Those on Brooks’ side have constantly made the valid point that Trump’s election denials poison the political atmosphere and cast doubt on the legitimacy of the government’s leaders.

 

Exactly the same valid point can be made about those on his side for their election denial and promotion of the Russia collusion hoax. They made governance more difficult for an administration headed by an unusually erratic and unusually inexperienced president. In so doing, they made the country suffer.

It’s time for them, as it has been time for Trump, to confess error and apologize. Are you game, David?

 

 

 

https://richmond.com/opinion/columnists/column-time-for-truth-and-reconciliation-on-the-russia-collusion-hoax/article_5072f9ec-990a-11ed-9599-af10353c2283.html

[Doc]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

It was about the Russians saying they had dirt on Hillary. 
 

The right thing to do would be to decline and report the offer to the FBI. But the Trump campaign took the meeting instead. 

 

From where do you fancy Steele, a disgraced former British spy, got his dirt on Trump?

[BillsFanNC]

 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

From where do you fancy Steele, a disgraced former British spy, got his dirt on Trump?

Igor Danchenko, among others. 

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Igor Danchenko, among others. 

 

Yup, Russians.