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"The primary issue is one of scale. The sheer number of ballots that would be mailed to wrong addresses would be staggering. The state of Oregon has been using mail-only elections since 1998.  The U.S

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Please stop   this voter fraud by only Democrats is just plain wrong.   Just look at the idiotic tweet from Dump yesterday.     Mail in Voting in Florida is right because they vote

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You've brought up gerrymandering more than once. How does that possibly affect anything besides the House elections? It certainly has nothing to do with Senate, Potus, or Statewide elections. And the

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Nonsense, all we've been hearing from the left is that there is no such thing as vote fraud.

 

You know, like their genius assertions that walls won't work on the southern border because smuggled drugs only get found at official border crossings.

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Biden’s Texas Political Director Implicated in Massive Mail-In Ballot Harvesting Scheme in Harris County
 

A Biden Campaign operative in Texas is attempting to rig the 2020 election with the help of others in a massive ballot harvesting scheme, according to two private investigators who testified under oath that they have “video evidence, documentation and witnesses” to prove it. With the help of mass mail-in ballots, the illegal ballot harvesting operation could harvest 700,000 ballots, one Harris County Democrat operative allegedly bragged.
 

The investigators—a former FBI agent and former police officer—claim that Biden’s Texas Political Director Dallas Jones and his cohorts have been “hoarding mail-in and absentee ballots” and ordering operatives to them fill out for people in Harris County illegally, “including dead people, homeless people, and nursing home residents in the 2020 presidential election,”  Patrick Howley of the National File reported.
 

While law enforcement agencies are reportedly investigating these potential crimes, nothing will be done about it until “well after the November 3, 2020 election” the former FBI agent said.
 

Dallas Jones was appointed the Biden campaign’s Texas Political Director in late August.
 

Mark A. Aguirre and Charles F. Marler provided sworn affidavits as part of a class-action lawsuit in the Texas Supreme Court, Steven Hotze, M.D. et al., against Harris County and the state of Texas.


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I love how people think that receiving a ballot indicates that just anyone can fill it out and it's going to be accepted - like there's no processing steps whatsoever that look for fraud. 

I also love how people point to the cases of people being charged with attempted voter fraud as some sort of example that it's a problem, when in reality it's an example of why it's not because they've been caught.

If you wanted to make an argument about fraudulent ballots at a smaller scale for something like the local school board, I'd listen to that. When you're talking about statewide and federal elections though, it's always going to be a lot easier to suppress to vote, gerrymander districts and use the news cycle to your advantage. Hell, even having people not record the voting numbers is a bigger issue.

Cases of voter fraud are statistically irrelevant in presidential elections.

Reminder. Voter fraud where invalid ballots are counted is statistically irrelevant.

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A Supreme Court Showdown Over Federal Judges Rewriting State Election Laws Based on COVID Is at Hand

 

Over the past four weeks, we have seen a slew of federal district court and appellate court decisions impacting the terms and enforcement of state election laws in several states across the country.

 

As a general proposition, efforts are being undertaken by litigants in numerous jurisdictions to claim that the risk to voters created by COVID 19 is such that (m)any state election laws which impose limits on the ability of voters to cast ballots without having to go to a polling location, or which limit the timeframe within which remotely-cast ballots can be received in order to be counted, constitute violations of the right to vote under the terms of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

 

Basically, in the application of “Solomonic” wisdom, federal district court judges are re-writing election codes they find to be wanting in the time of a pandemic, and fashioning new requirements and timeframes which satisfy their sense of propriety — but only for now.  For when the pandemic passes (and Donald Trump is no longer running for re-election), these constitutionally offensive provisions in state election laws will once again be perfectly constitutional.

Got that?

 

Pandemic — Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave that state legislatures would impose such monstrous and draconian limitations on poor and minority voters.

 

Non-Pandemic — Thomas Jefferson rests at peace that the people’s legislatures take care to safeguard a fair electoral process.

See how that works?

 

Without any consistency of reason or justification beyond “Pandemic = limitations bad”, several district court judges have limited or eliminated measures requiring witnessing or confirming signatures of absentee ballots, factual justification for absentee voting, extending deadlines for receipt of mailed ballots, excusing the absence of postmarks on mailed ballots, adopting of a presumption of timely mailing in the absence of evidence to the contrary, mandating that states/counties allow ballots to be deposited in a “drop boxes” without any security features, allowing voters to access voting devices while sitting in their cars, eliminating limitations on third party ability to deliver ballots on behalf of absentee voters, express expansion of “vote harvesting” authorization, etc.

 

As a general rule, the Supreme Court will often step in to decide a case of national significance when two Circuit Courts of Appeal come to opposite decisions on the same or similar issue.  It seems that we may have now reached that point in terms of judicial intervention with the rewriting of state election laws via the granting of “preliminary injunctions” and/or issuing “declaratory judgment” on the merits.

 

We also have state court decisions altering legislative codes by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, and via a “consent decree” suspending state election laws in a Minnesota state court.

 

We are now just one month from the election.  The Court begins its 2020-21 session tomorrow.  I expect we will see some filings for relief on these subjects this week.

 

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A lawsuit filed in Harris County that investigators have evidence of large scale organized ballot harvesting

 

Harris County keeps finding itself in the news, but for all the wrong reasons. After county officials picked another fight with Texas law and Attorney General Paxton over mail-in ballots, and the Supreme Court of Texas stepping in to issue a stay, more bombshells have dropped.

 

One is a lawsuit filed in Harris County that investigators have evidence of large scale organized ballot harvesting, going all the way to planning by the top party officials. This lawsuit is in response to the Harris County announcement that voters could begin hand-delivering absentee ballots for the presidential election to one of 11 annexes on Monday. The plaintiffs—the Harris County Republican Party and several individuals—allege this is all part of the mail in ballot push and harvesters intend to use the extra time to collect more fraudulent votes.

 

And as if to underscore the importance of this issue, especially related to mail-in ballots, Gov. Abbott issued a proclamation enhancing ballot security protocols for the in-person delivery of marked mail ballots for the Nov. 3 election. Under this proclamation, beginning on Oct. 2, mail-in ballots that are delivered in person by voters who are eligible to vote by mail must be delivered to a single early voting clerk’s office location.

 

If true, these new developments cast a different light on Harris County Clerk Chris Collins and County Judge Lina Hidalgo’s push for widespread sending of unsolicited mail-in ballots and extended voting. Both have bucked state rules and explicit guidance—including a letter as well as legal direction from the AG’s office regarding qualifications for mail-in ballots. In suggesting non-qualified Harris County voters can use a mail ballot, they are deliberately misleading people—despite repeated court rulings going as high as the Texas Supreme Court. ...

 

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Because it is the Dems that are tinkering with the Post Office removing machines that process ballots - more than double the machines they usually remove in a year and just before an election where a pandemic has more folks casting via mail, remotely, as Trump and his family does:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-post-office-idUSKBN26836Y
 

and....

DeJoy and the U.S.Postal Service presented the excuse in a response filed Wednesday to a nationwide order issued by U.S. District Judge Stanley Bastian in Yakima, Washington, last week demanding the return of some 700 machines that had been taken out of service.

 

“Dismantled machines ‘are generally dissembled for their usable parts, with such parts being removed to maintain or enhance other machines,’” DeJoy, a loyalist and major contributor to President Donald Trump’s campaign, stated in his response. “It is therefore not possible to return such machines to service.”

 

But witnesses reported that many of the expensive machines were quickly dismantled and tossed into dumpsters as scrap. The injunction noted that 72% of the ripped out machines were in counties Hillary Clinton won in the 2016 presidential election.

 

...and limiting ballot drop-off boxes:

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/02/919658842/texas-governor-plans-to-limit-number-of-ballot-drop-boxes-to-1-per-county

 

...and working so hard to keep folks from casting a vote.

After the 2010 election, state lawmakers nationwide started introducing hundreds of harsh measures making it harder to vote. The new laws range from strict photo ID requirements to early voting cutbacks to registration restrictions.

 

Overall, 25 states have put in place new restrictions since then — 15 states have more restrictive voter ID laws in place (including six states with strict photo ID requirements), 12 have laws making it harder for citizens to register (and stay registered), ten made it more difficult to vote early or absentee, and three took action to make it harder to restore voting rights for people with past criminal convictions.

 

In 2016, 14 states had new voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election. Those 14 states were: Alabama, Arizona, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

 

 

Whatever....

 

Voter suppression in the name of curbing the alleged mass voter fraud that no one has been able to prove exists with studies or when asked to do so in court.

 

Is what it is, one party has drifted so off course that it attacks democratic principles, the other (although I am not in lockstep with their social or fiscal agendas) has worked to get the vote out. Easy to see which is which these past decade of dubious GOP leadership.

 

https://thinkprogress.org/florida-republicans-admit-voter-suppression-was-the-goal-of-new-election-laws-f2954f7635d0/

 

 

 

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A lawsuit filed in Harris County that investigators have evidence of large scale organized ballot harvesting

 

Harris County keeps finding itself in the news, but for all the wrong reasons. After county officials picked another fight with Texas law and Attorney General Paxton over mail-in ballots, and the Supreme Court of Texas stepping in to issue a stay, more bombshells have dropped.

 

One is a lawsuit filed in Harris County that investigators have evidence of large scale organized ballot harvesting, going all the way to planning by the top party officials. This lawsuit is in response to the Harris County announcement that voters could begin hand-delivering absentee ballots for the presidential election to one of 11 annexes on Monday. The plaintiffs—the Harris County Republican Party and several individuals—allege this is all part of the mail in ballot push and harvesters intend to use the extra time to collect more fraudulent votes.

 

And as if to underscore the importance of this issue, especially related to mail-in ballots, Gov. Abbott issued a proclamation enhancing ballot security protocols for the in-person delivery of marked mail ballots for the Nov. 3 election. Under this proclamation, beginning on Oct. 2, mail-in ballots that are delivered in person by voters who are eligible to vote by mail must be delivered to a single early voting clerk’s office location.

 

If true, these new developments cast a different light on Harris County Clerk Chris Collins and County Judge Lina Hidalgo’s push for widespread sending of unsolicited mail-in ballots and extended voting. Both have bucked state rules and explicit guidance—including a letter as well as legal direction from the AG’s office regarding qualifications for mail-in ballots. In suggesting non-qualified Harris County voters can use a mail ballot, they are deliberately misleading people—despite repeated court rulings going as high as the Texas Supreme Court. ...

 

(Excerpt) Read more at houstoncourant.com ...

 

The Houston Courant.

 

The landing page that has a big ol' picture of Trump...

 

Talks about an alleged campaign to allow voters to vote in Harris County where the GOP has worked tirelessly to block citizens from voting and have been unsuccessful time and time again.

 

Appeals court sides with Harris County clerk over Texas AG Ken Paxton in mail ballot lawsuit

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/houston/article/Appeals-court-sides-with-Hollins-in-mail-ballot-15578592.php

 

The facts:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/texas-gop-group-asks-state-supreme-court-to-stop-most-populous-county-from-voting-early-because-of-ballot-harvesting-scheme/

 

The crux of the complaint centers around § 86.006(a-1) of the Texas Election Code, which states that a voter may deliver a marked mail ballot in-person to the early voting clerk’s office “only while the polls are open on election day.” However, Gov. Abbott’s July executive order explicitly placed a hold on that law as part of health protocols needed to conduct elections safely during the pandemic.

 

“I further suspend Section 86.006(a-1) of the Texas Election Code, for any election ordered or authorized to occur on November 3, 2020, to the extent necessary to allow a voter to deliver a marked mail ballot in person to the early voting clerk’s office prior to and including on election day,” the order stated.

 

But according to the petitioners, which includes litigious conservative activist Steven Hotze, the Supreme Court must order the county to cease accepting ballots because doing so is “promoting” a massive “ballot harvesting scheme to the Biden/Harris campaign” that was recently uncovered by private investigators.

 

 

Amounts to another GOP "Hail Mary" attempt at voter suppression... over and over because they created a war chest to litigate this way.

 

 

Similar to attempts in Montana to do the same with their mail-in voting laws:

 

“The Plaintiffs maintain that because the Directive permits counties to conduct the November 3, 2020 general election by mail ballot, this election will be ripe with fraud and thus result in unconstitutional disenfranchisement of a both direct and dilutive nature. Yet, Plaintiffs have not introduced even an ounce of evidence supporting the assertion that Montana’s use of mail ballots will inundate the election with fraud,” the order stated. 

“Indeed, as indicated at the beginning of this Order, at the September 22, 2020 hearing on the merits, counsel for both the Member-Plaintiffs and Lead-Plaintiffs conceded they do not possess any evidence establishing prior incidents of voter fraud in Montana, which has an established and well used absentee voting system. The Court is thoroughly unconvinced that will change in counties electing into the Directive’s mail ballot option.”
 

Christensen added that records were “replete” with evidence showing that Montana’s use of mail-in ballots in elections presented “no significant risk of fraud.”

The Trump campaign was joined in the lawsuit by the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and the Montana Republican State Central Committee.

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TEXAS LULU CAUGHT VOTING ILLEGALLY:

 

The Washington Free Beacon’s Alana Goodman did a little digging — remember when that was par for the course for journalists? — and discovered:

Helane ‘Lulu’ Sawsan Seikaly, who is challenging Republican incumbent Van Taylor in Texas’s Third Congressional District, worked in California until at least last year as an attorney for a Sacramento-based law firm and as a professor at the University of California Davis. Using an address linked to her parents, however, Seikaly voted in Texas in both 2016 and 2018, public records show.

 

You can perhaps guess what comes to my mind here:

 

 

 

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If you knew you had dementia, would you refrain from voting? If you were caring for a person with dementia, would you refrain from helping them vote?

 
I would answer yes and yes, but I'm reading "Having Dementia Doesn’t Mean You Can’t Vote/Yes, you can help a cognitively impaired person participate in the election. But heed these two guidelines" in the NYT. 
The Census Bureau has reported that more than 23 million American adults — close to 10 percent — have conditions limiting mental functioning, including learning and intellectual disabilities and Alzheimer’s disease or other forms of dementia.... Many will be effectively disenfranchised.... Workers in nursing homes and assisted living facilities, as well as family members, may refuse to assist impaired voters because they believe that dementia disqualifies them. It doesn’t. A diagnosis of cognitive impairment does not bar someone from voting. Voters need pass no cognitive tests. They don’t have to be able to name the candidates or explain the issues.

Not everything is controlled by law. There is also a realm of ethics. Getting votes from people who don't understand what they are doing is rather obviously ethically wrong. The law is the way it is to keep the authorities from unfairly excluding people in a country where tests were once used in order to exclude black people. But there are many people who don't know what they're doing and they shouldn't be urged to vote. It's ethically correct for them to take themselves out of a choice-making activity that they don't understand. And it is ethically wrong to use an older person to collect a vote for the candidate that you want to win. 

The article ends with the conclusion of one personal story:

On Oct. 8, after considerable discussion, Judith Kozlowski helped her father make his selections. He allowed her to disclose that, after a lifetime of voting Republican, this time he had voted for Joseph R. Biden Jr....
 
 
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WILL VOTER FRAUD SWING THE ELECTION?

As in 2016, polling is tightening as we near Election Day and voters begin to take seriously the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency and an anti-American Senate. I am reasonably optimistic that President Trump may be re-elected, but a cloud hangs over this year’s election–the cloud of voter fraud.

 

In many states, millions of ballot applications have been mailed to people on outdated registered voter lists. Millions of those applications will result in ballots being returned, but how many of them are actually mailed in by legitimate voters is unknown. Meanwhile, ballot harvesting has become routine. Ballot harvesters dump hundreds of filled-out ballots into mail boxes. Who filled them out? Who knows? Moreover, in urban areas across the country, Democratic Party dominance has led to a monopoly, or virtual monopoly, of Democrats among those who will count the ballots and resolve disputes.

 

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