A Cashless Society is Oppressive and Tyrannical

[Rob's House]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

 However will tax cheats, criminals, and other ne'er-do-wells hide their $$$ if they can't use cash to hide their transactions?

 

 

I know we don't agree on much, but I would have thought you had the ability to see the bigger picture. This is something I'd expect from Tibs.

[Beast]

37 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Will we see Biden again before the election and what will be the excuse when we do not?

 

Good question. 

 

My feeling is that he will debate Trump once and he will look so bad the Democrats will them jump on the bandwagon that he has dementia and then hand pick a candidate.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Beast

[bilzfancy]

50 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

 

The coin shortage is probably my fault... It's all these coffee cans full of change under my desk. My bank used to take it and count it out, to deposit in my accounts, but they don't have change counters anymore, and only offer to give me coin wrappers to count it myself. And I think those machines at the grocer charge to count it for you. 

 

Agenda 21 is the big one that Obama supported. You see his (and globalists) goal was to get the UN by treaty to declare guns against the law. The Constitution holds treaties above any other law and the theory was it would over-ride even the second amendment. 

I did some research on agenda21/2030, that's some scary Schiff, and it's coming to pass quicker then 2030, BLM is a part of that and they have most of the media too, people better wake up before it's too late, and it just might be too late

[SoTier]

16 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said:

There are only about a zillion other ways. Don’t strain that one cylinder brain atop your head too much. 

 

Since I'm not a Trumplet,  I've got a whole lot more cylinders in my brain than 1.   I was simply responding to the OP's whining about hiding earnings.

[bilzfancy]

11 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

Good question. 

 

My feeling is that he will debate Trump once and he will look so bad the Democrats will them jump on the bandwagon that he has dementia and then hand pick a candidate.

Yep, Kamala Harris or Andrew Cuomo, I told my wife that 3 months ago, soon we'll never hear from Biden again

[Reality Check]

 

 

Shocking how the leftist agitators on here just happen to be anti-cash too...

 

New world order lackeys...

 

Clearly orchestrated propagandists for the absolute worst ideas...

 

 

[Cinga]

18 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

Yep, Kamala Harris or Andrew Cuomo, I told my wife that 3 months ago, soon we'll never hear from Biden again

 

I would have agreed on those 2 a couple months ago, but Cuomo is seriously damaged goods now because of the nursing home mess. But then, they're Democrats so many would vote for him anyway since he isn't Trump. Hell, I suspect about 45% of the country would vote for Howdy Doody just because #orangemanbad

[Taro T]

28 minutes ago, Cinga said:

 

I would have agreed on those 2 a couple months ago, but Cuomo is seriously damaged goods now because of the nursing home mess. But then, they're Democrats so many would vote for him anyway since he isn't Trump. Hell, I suspect about 45% of the country would vote for Howdy Doody just because #orangemanbad

 

45%.  Yeah, that's about what Biden will get in "mail in" voting isn't a thing.

[TakeYouToTasker]

3 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  While I agree with a lot of what you said prosecution of counterfeiters and tax cheats has other roots.  The federal government does this to keep inflation reined in and assures that the federal government can operate to in part maintain national defense.

  Too bad that the Mennonites and Amish shy away from the court system as they could file suit claiming a cashless society infringes on religious freedom.  Weird Al could do a follow up to Amish Paradise in support of those groups.

So... you believe counterfeiters have large impacts on inflation?

[Motorin']

6 hours ago, Rob's House said:

Saw this elsewhere.

 

The Nazi's are the good guys in this conspiracy theory. Must be true. 

[BillStime]

Typical Buffalo - will bich about everything 

[Golden Goat]

Wait till Starbucks workers and food servers realize they'd have to disclose all tips.

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

Wait till Starbucks workers and food servers realize they'd have to disclose all tips.

OMG - what will they do?

 

Who uses cash anyhow?

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

OMG - what will they do?

 

Who uses cash anyhow?

Lots of people tip in cash. Especially people who have worked in the hospitality business. 
 

You should have seen how they flipped when they had to claim a percentage of their gross sales. We in the kitchen were pissed because we were taxed on all our earnings.  Deal with it. 
 

And where will the homeless guy get his booze or heroin money from?  

Edited July 10, 2020 by Chef Jim

[KD in CA]

9 hours ago, KRC said:

Wouldn't a cash-less society hurt the poor more than anyone? What type of credit cards (interest rates) are they going to get if they are struggling to pay their bills now? 

 

The ones government forces the banks to issue under the threat of being deemed racist.

[Golden Goat]

22 minutes ago, BillStime said:

OMG - what will they do?

 

Who uses cash anyhow?

 

One day when you grow up and get a job, you'll understand, I promise!

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Golden Goat said:

 

One day when you grow up and get a job, you'll understand, I promise!

 

Awe, aren't you cute. Keep up the good work and enjoy your participation trophy.

[Golden Goat]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Awe, aren't you cute. Keep up the good work and enjoy your participation trophy.

 

Actually, I take that back. No tips at McDonald's.

[Joe Miner]

7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Pennies, I'd be fine with. They're an enormous pain in the rear.

 

 

Pro tip.  Don't put them in your rear.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

Awe, aren't you cute. Keep up the good work and enjoy your participation trophy.

I got a participation trophy 50 years ago.  

[bilzfancy]

What a great way to keep tabs on everyone, know our spending habits, what we do and when we do it. Big brother is here and he isn't going away

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

What a great way to keep tabs on everyone, know our spending habits, what we do and when we do it. Big brother is here and he isn't going away

in before “show me where in the constitution it says money has to be physical”

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

What a great way to keep tabs on everyone, know our spending habits, what we do and when we do it. Big brother is here and he isn't going away

 

You have a smart phone, right? You're already being tracked. Buckle up. You'll be okay.

[Chef Jim]

24 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You have a smart phone, right? You're already being tracked. Buckle up. You'll be okay.

You can go off the grid if you like. You’ll never be able to if we go cashless. And knowing where you’ve been and what you spend your money on are two different things. 

[bilzfancy]

21 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You have a smart phone, right? You're already being tracked. Buckle up. You'll be okay.

Yes, phones, smart TVs, Alexa, cameras everywhere, we all are being tracked, watched, the sense of privacy is gone, I don't get why people aren't concerned. I'm retired, I have nothing to hide but that's not the point. Once you start giving up freedoms, it's a very slippery slope and you won't get them back.

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

Yes, phones, smart TVs, Alexa, cameras everywhere, we all are being tracked, watched, the sense of privacy is gone, I don't get why people aren't concerned. I'm retired, I have nothing to hide but that's not the point. Once you start giving up freedoms, it's a very slippery slope and you won't get them back.

Did the world end when the seat belt law went into effect on 1/1/1968?

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Devils advocate position - isn't the point of cryptos to keep transactions private? If cash fades out at the same rate cryptos gain popularity, perhaps crypto eventually becomes the same cash as we see it today. Nerds will then collect hundred dollar bills like we collect silver quarters.

[RiotAct]

7 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

Devils advocate position - isn't the point of cryptos to keep transactions private? If cash fades out at the same rate cryptos gain popularity, perhaps crypto eventually becomes the same cash as we see it today. Nerds will then collect hundred dollar bills like we collect silver quarters.

REAL men collect silver dollars.

[BillStime]

This thread is really showing how old people are here.

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, bilzfancy said:

What a great way to keep tabs on everyone, know our spending habits, what we do and when we do it. Big brother is here and he isn't going away

 

Yup.  You don't need to bother implanting microchips in everyone, you can just follow the money trail.

 

Soon enough we'll be 'outing' people based on what they've purchased, to whom they've donated, etc.

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Yup.  You don't need to bother implanting microchips in everyone, you can just follow the money trail.

 

Soon enough we'll be 'outing' people based on what they've purchased, to whom they've donated, etc.

Oh bro - non profits have been exchanging their donor lists for years. 
 

 

[GG]

9 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

There is no national coin shortage, and if there were, it would be reason in and of itself to abolish the Federal Reserve.

More likely it's a function of too many bank branches still being closed.   Small merchants don't get their coins from the Fed.  

[Warcodered]

This is an actual interesting topic that could theoretically avoid some of the the extreme partisan BS that this place is flooded with. Then peering through this topic it's filled with so much conspiracy theory BS.?

 

Most of the OP is filled with a bunch of things that come across as I can't imagine a way for a cashless system to do these things must be impossible. I mean we've already got some cell phone apps and devices that would allow money transfer for smaller personal transactions so it's really not that crazy to think a system could incorporate something that would make a lot the things you think would become impossible.

 

The biggest issue is definitely security and possible abuse of the system. The government already has the capability to hack our emails and bank accounts they're just not supposed to in most cases. I'd say with any kind of cashless system a significant advance in privacy laws would be necessary.

[Rob's House]

23 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

This is an actual interesting topic that could theoretically avoid some of the the extreme partisan BS that this place is flooded with. Then peering through this topic it's filled with so much conspiracy theory BS.?

 

Most of the OP is filled with a bunch of things that come across as I can't imagine a way for a cashless system to do these things must be impossible. I mean we've already got some cell phone apps and devices that would allow money transfer for smaller personal transactions so it's really not that crazy to think a system could incorporate something that would make a lot the things you think would become impossible.

 

The biggest issue is definitely security and possible abuse of the system. The government already has the capability to hack our emails and bank accounts they're just not supposed to in most cases. I'd say with any kind of cashless system a significant advance in privacy laws would be necessary.

 

Even if such laws were put in place it's entirely likely they'd erode away. A law only has as much power as the government gives it.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Even if such laws were put in place it's entirely likely they'd erode away. A law only has as much power as the government gives it.

I mean ignoring the currency issue the way society and technology is going these things are going to be out there and exploitable what exact alternative plan do you have?

[Rob's House]

43 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean ignoring the currency issue the way society and technology is going these things are going to be out there and exploitable what exact alternative plan do you have?

 

Don't eliminate cash.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

Don't eliminate cash.

 

45 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean ignoring the currency issue the way society and technology is going these things are going to be out there and exploitable what exact alternative plan do you have?

 

[Rob's House]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

 

I'm all for increasing privacy laws, not only for financial data, but internet and social media as well. I just don't trust them to be effective.

 

When you hand your security over to an entity that is bound only by the rules that the entity implements, and which that entity has the sole power to enforce, you put yourself completely at its mercy.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Rob's House

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

I'm all for increasing privacy laws, not only for financial data, but internet and social media as well. I just don't trust them to be effective.

 

When you hand your security over to an entity that is bound only by the rules that the entity implements, and which that entity has the sole power to enforce, you put yourself completely at its mercy.

My issue is that this appears to be happening anyway do you have some sort of alternative to mitigate it?

[Rob's House]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

My issue is that this appears to be happening anyway do you have some sort of alternative to mitigate it?

 

I don't think there is one. That's why we need to push back against this hard and fast before it takes hold and becomes a political football.

 

This isn't a left/right issue. It's important for all of us and something we should all be able to agree on. Conservatives should oppose it because of the immense power it gives the government. Liberals should oppose it because of the obscene level of power it gives the banks.

 

I talked to a friend today who's a self avowed Marxist and he thinks about as much of it as I do. It's one of the few political issues we agree on.

 

Once it becomes political we'll all fall in line with our side and genuinely believe our side is right. You do it and so do I. It's just how we're wired. But if reasonable people recognize what this means and oppose it we can prevent that.

 

Right now that can happen. And I'm trying to make it happen by posting about it on the political sub board of a football message board. I think it can work.

 

 

* I deleted the meme you reacted to earlier. There was another one that looked similar and I inadvertently grabbed the wrong one. I do believe there is a global Marxist movement that's gaining influence, but I don't think they plan to reduce the world population to 500 million.