Trump's railing about schools reopening, so might as well talk about it

[Rob's House]

21 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

alternatively it could be seen as abusive to have children gather in large numbers sitting next to each other in government buildings as a pandemic sweeps across our nation.

 

The pandemic has already swept across the nation and presents an infinitesimal risk to children.

 

The charade is over. We saw the man behind the curtain when you dispensed with the lockdown to gather in massive groups across the country to protest police brutality for weeks on end.

 

The fear mongering political operatives posing as scientists have been wrong about everything, and are now back tracking, moving the goal posts, manipulating data, and generally bending over backwards to exploit this so-called pandemic to create as much misery and economic destruction as possible for the purpose of influencing an election.

 

It's telling that the people who are so determined to swallow this narrative are the same people who have swallowed every other bogus narrative the media's pushed for the last four years without so much as a hint of skepticism.

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

I didn’t bother reading that endless diatribe at the start of this thread, but yeah, we need to open schools, period.

 

What’s amazing is all the people screaming about hardships for POC in other threads now want to completely sabotage their education.

 

I live in one of the richest towns in the country and our district has completely lost track of 10% of enrolled students.  What do you think that % is in towns where few of any of the kids have a stable home, plenty to eat, tablet/laptop, reliable broadband, parents with the ability and desire to be involved, etc?

So you want to just completely open schools for POC how noble of you. Also just asking but how good do you think the healthcare is for the people of those communities you're so worried about?

2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

The pandemic has already swept across the nation and presents an infinitesimal risk to children.

 

The charade is over. We saw the man behind the curtain when you dispensed with the lockdown to gather in massive groups across the country to protest police brutality for weeks on end.

 

The fear mongering political operatives posing as scientists have been wrong about everything, and are now back tracking, moving the goal posts, manipulating data, and generally bending over backwards to exploit this so-called pandemic to create as much misery and economic destruction as possible for the purpose of influencing an election.

 

It's telling that the people who are so determined to swallow this narrative are the same people who have swallowed every other bogus narrative the media's pushed for the last four years without so much as a hint of skepticism.

oh right carry on then.

[KD in CA]

17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Bolded ends up telling me a lot.

 

And no, opening schools fully as the test subjects for a complete reopening without thought of student, teacher or family health is flat out stupid.

 

Kids that are in school are going to suffer educationally. I view that as inevitable this year. Good distance learning isn't even a close substitute for good in-class learning. Period.

 

However, measuring education or social skills lost by students as somehow more more important than the lives that might be lost--of students, teachers, and/or family members--is just plain cold-hearted.

 

This is not an easy answer, but forcing all schools to go back fully at this moment is the wrong one.

No one (or at least I’m not) is saying open up as if there was no virus.  Obviously there needs to be significant workarounds.

 

But using the ‘kids might die’ excuse is b.s.  If a particular kid has a serious medical condition than that kid should stay home.  Otherwise, kids are not dying from COVID.

 

If individuals deem it too risky to family members to sent kids to school, they always have the option to home school.  If school districts want to accommodate distance learning for those people, great, have at it.  If a certain teacher is high risk, hire a sub.

 

But not opening schools because there is some risk or because it’s hard to manage or because certain teachers don’t want to come back is crazy.  If not now, when?  The risk profile will never approach zero until there’s a vaccine and that might be years away.

[transplantbillsfan]

55 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

The pandemic has already swept across the nation and presents an infinitesimal risk to children.

 

But not the teachers who teach them or the families they go home to.

 

And putting 30+ kids in a clustered classroom might not hurt them, but you honestly and truly believe that's not a soup bowl spreading a virus from one person to another to eventually pass on to people who might suffer more than just "minor symptoms?"

 

55 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

The charade is over. We saw the man behind the curtain when you dispensed with the lockdown to gather in massive groups across the country to protest police brutality for weeks on end.

 

Regardless of your opinion about the protests, what's been happening since them?

 

Have infections gone down?

 

Asking for a friend.

 

55 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

The fear mongering political operatives posing as scientists have been wrong about everything, and are now back tracking, moving the goal posts, manipulating data, and generally bending over backwards to exploit this so-called pandemic to create as much misery and economic destruction as possible for the purpose of influencing an election.

 

Yeah, we just care about destroying the economy, not the kids we teach or the colleagues we work with every day. Not to mention the kids' families.

 

But yeah, you go on believing the caution in starting schools back up is a conspiracy against your boy sitting in the White House.

 

55 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

It's telling that the people who are so determined to swallow this narrative are the same people who have swallowed every other bogus narrative the media's pushed for the last four years without so much as a hint of skepticism.

 

No.

 

The people skeptical are probably the people most directly affected by this choice (teachers and parents of students) or people who actually care about those people.

 

Guessing you fall under the category of neither.

[transplantbillsfan]

50 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

No one (or at least I’m not) is saying open up as if there was no virus.  Obviously there needs to be significant workarounds.

 

Sounds like you've got one right in this thread actually. He's not too bright, but at least he doesn't seem to realize it because he sure is vocal.

 

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But using the ‘kids might die’ excuse is b.s.  If a particular kid has a serious medical condition than that kid should stay home.  Otherwise, kids are not dying from COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

So you're sure those 100 something 18 or under kids who died from COVID all had serious underlying medical conditions?

 

Source?

 

What if a family has a child with an underlying health condition they don't know about or hasn't been diagnosed?

 

Just "oh well", yah?

 

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If individuals deem it too risky to family members to sent kids to school, they always have the option to home school.  If school districts want to accommodate distance learning for those people, great, have at it.  If a certain teacher is high risk, hire a sub.

 

You seem pretty clueless about the logistics and money involved in all you've just proposed, so I will just brush past this and hope you take some time to do some REAL research into what would be needed based on what you propose.

 

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But not opening schools because there is some risk or because it’s hard to manage or because certain teachers don’t want to come back is crazy.  If not now, when?  The risk profile will never approach zero until there’s a vaccine and that might be years away.

 

My God you sound like William Wallace in Braveheart.

 

You itching to go into battle?

 

Dude, you aren't just talking about "certain teachers." You're talking about a significant number of teachers where if you want to accommodate them most school districts across the country will still also be retaining them because many would be teachers those districts don't want to lose. And then if you think it's easy to also pay for a bunch of subs in this economic climate, you're crazy.

 

Rather than be so nihilistic and uneducated about the economics of the situation, take a breath and just think...

[123719bwiqrb]

It's over for in school education this year.  It only takes a couple of parents/teachers to muck up the works, and there are a bunch of ninnies from the internal NY school survey I was able to see.

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Sounds like you've got one right in this thread actually. He's not too bright, but at least he doesn't seem to realize it because he sure is vocal.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

So you're sure those 100 something 18 or under kids who died from COVID all had serious underlying medical conditions?

 

Source?

 

What if a family has a child with an underlying health condition they don't know about or hasn't been diagnosed?

 

Just "oh well", yah?

 

 

You seem pretty clueless about the logistics and money involved in all you've just proposed, so I will just brush past this and hope you take some time to do some REAL research into what would be needed based on what you propose.

 

 

My God you sound like William Wallace in Braveheart.

 

You itching to go into battle?

 

Dude, you aren't just talking about "certain teachers." You're talking about a significant number of teachers where if you want to accommodate them most school districts across the country will still also be retaining them because many would be teachers those districts don't want to lose. And then if you think it's easy to also pay for a bunch of subs in this economic climate, you're crazy.

 

Rather than be so nihilistic and uneducated about the economics of the situation, take a breath and just think...

266 kids 0-4 died of the flu last year. 211 5-17 year olds.

 

IMO, you should never go back to work and you should be fired and school cancelled until we cure the flu. Because if it saves one child...

 

Thanks for the support Transplant, learn to code!

[Wacka]

I started school before the MMR vaccine. I caught measles and rubella.  My parents had mre get the vaccine so I didn't get mumps. It wasn't that prevalent as I don't remember anybody I knew getting it. The teacher would walk down the aisles  and pull the back of people''s clothes out so she could look down your back for the measles. I remember her sending people to the nurse   so they could be sent home.

[oldmanfan]

Everyone wants the schools back open, it's how to do it the safest way possible.  Get over yourselves. 

[123719bwiqrb]

4 minutes ago, Wacka said:

I started school before the MMR vaccine. I caught measles and rubella.  My parents had mre get the vaccine so I didn't get mumps. It wasn't that prevalent as I don't remember anybody I knew getting it. The teacher would walk down the aisles  and pull the back of people''s clothes out so she could look down your back for the measles. I remember her sending people to the nurse   so they could be sent home.

 

Stories about kids and polio are scary in comparison to this current virus.  And they had to live with it for 10-15 years?  Maybe longer.

[Orlando Tim]

On 7/9/2020 at 8:16 AM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Agent Orange wants schools re opened so parents can get back to work and not stay at home babysitting which will stimulate the economy (in time for the election) 

 

I do not know where you live but I live amongst people whose livelihood are reliant on an open economy and schools being open. Students who have underlying reasons are able to do online school and an open school is beneficial to all. 

[ALF]

Hong Kong will close all schools from Monday after the territory reported a spike in locally transmitted COVID-19 infections, the city's education minister said.

 

New Hong Kong cases stay high for third day
Hong Kong reported 38 new cases, edging down from Thursday's 42 but broadly in line with a sharp increase that the city has registered over the past three days.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/mexico-south-africa-post-record-coronavirus-cases-live-updates-200710000611381.html

 

They do not fool around there and they normally wear masks

[SoCal Deek]

Tell teachers they’re not getting paid unless the schools are open and the schools will open on time! 

[Teddy KGB]

Of course the op wants to sit at home and collect checks ??‍♂️

[KD in CA]

7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Of course the op wants to sit at home and collect checks ??‍♂️

That’s exactly what this is about, and he’s hiding behind the pathetic ‘if it saves just one life’ nonsense....

 

Somehow all this terrible risk is fine for doctors, nurses, dentists, nursing home staff, flight crews, bus drivers, etc......but we need to trash our education system rather than expect teachers to adapt.  

Edited July 10, 2020 by KD in CA

[Tiberius]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Bolded ends up telling me a lot.

 

And no, opening schools fully as the test subjects for a complete reopening without thought of student, teacher or family health is flat out stupid.

 

Kids that are in school are going to suffer educationally. I view that as inevitable this year. Good distance learning isn't even a close substitute for good in-class learning. Period.

 

However, measuring education or social skills lost by students as somehow more more important than the lives that might be lost--of students, teachers, and/or family members--is just plain cold-hearted.

 

This is not an easy answer, but forcing all schools to go back fully at this moment is the wrong one.

They have been charging people with terrorism for breathing on people. Students are going to do dumb things like that just because they are students. What do teachers and administrators do with that? If Sally goes home and tells her mother Tommy is breathing on her, the school HAS to to something. 

 

Buses? How would that work? 

 

If a kid refuses to wear a mask? 

 

All those young kids coming into a school with runny noses, wow! 

 

Sports? Our schools are like the center of the community in so many ways. 

 

I’d hate to be making decisions trying to make this work. 

 

God bless those in education. 

[Orlando Tim]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

They have been charging people with terrorism for breathing on people. Students are going to do dumb things like that just because they are students. What do teachers and administrators do with that? If Sally goes home and tells her mother Tommy is breathing on her, the school HAS to to something. 

 

Buses? How would that work? 

 

If a kid refuses to wear a mask? 

 

All those young kids coming into a school with runny noses, wow! 

 

Sports? Our schools are like the center of the community in so many ways. 

 

I’d hate to be making decisions trying to make this work. 

 

God bless those in education. 

Two questions you  are easy, if kid is intentionally being unsafe he is suspended, second time he is put online for rest of year. Contact sports must be eliminated for this year at high school level, since they can not make an informed decision. But I appreciate you being reasonable and seeing that the answers are not one size fits all.

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I really can't remotely  see that working.

 

First of all, it requires more money. You need money for each position you have "supervising" the class.

 

And who are the supervisors? Substitute teachers? EAs? Security Guards?

 

That adds more money to those positions being taken away from their other jobs.

 

And we haven't even talked about the classroom management nightmare that would be having 20-30 students sitting in a room with their teacher not physically present. It could actually be a safety and liability issue, honestly

Wow, it's almost as if I addressed and acknowledged all of this in the second half of my post ?‍♂️

[Tiberius]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

Two questions you  are easy, if kid is intentionally being unsafe he is suspended, second time he is put online for rest of year. Contact sports must be eliminated for this year at high school level, since they can not make an informed decision. But I appreciate you being reasonable and seeing that the answers are not one size fits all.

I honestly feel sorry for the people who have to make the decision about sports. It’s so big for so many reasons. I know it was my whole life when I was in school, and it’s a reason many kids go to school. And parents are insane to begin with, telling a gang ho parent their kid won’t get to play, when they were planning on scholarships or just totally into sports won’t be fun. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

"Not too many kids per classroom"

 

That's the problem.

 

My school has classes that have had 40 students in a single classroom. I haven't seen that in my room, but 30+ multiple times. 

 

So how exactly does a public High School campus with 2,000+ students on campus limit students in classrooms AND not split the student body into staggered learning with a certain % on campus at a time and the rest doing distance learning?

Class size is something that has mattered to me long before the pandemic, and it is an issue imo. What would you say the average dimensions of a classroom are for your school? Is every room in the school being utilized concurrently? 

 

I could see allowing students that are excelling across the board to continue learning from home as an option to reduce the population a bit. I think there are options.