There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[shoshin]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm really hoping warmer weather will slow this thing down and a reliable antibody test is developed as you want to restart the economy without restarting the virus.

I have yet to see a plan, though I believe it’s coming and will involve aggressive tracking of contacts if it is done properly. If not, roll a bomb into the economy and healthcare system that makes the current situation look like a sparkler. 

[Tiberius]

Wuhan finally emerges from its long lockdown, but full recovery will take time

 

A pilot waves from the cockpit window as the first domestic flight to leave Wuhan since the city was locked down prepares to take off on Wednesday. (China Daily/Reuters)

The Chinese city of Wuhan emerged Wednesday from its 76-day lockdown, with 11 million residents able to move around the city and the country — provided their government-issued “health code” shines green.

Wuhan staged a grand light show under the theme “Heroic City, Heroic People” to celebrate the reopening of the central Chinese metropolis where the novel coronavirus emerged late last year. But the trauma and isolation of the past two months have taken a huge toll: More than 2,500 Wuhan residents died of covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, and tens of thousands were hospitalized, according to official figures. Now, people must piece their lives and livelihoods back together.

“Even though the epidemic might be ending, for some groups of people the trauma might be just starting,” Du Mingjun, who set up a 24-hour mental health hotline, told a Reuters reporter in Wuhan.

Authorities had been cautious about allowing Wuhan to come out of its quarantine, gradually allowing parts of the city to return to a semblance of normal over the past week or so. The final barrier came down at midnight on Wednesday, when people were allowed to leave Wuhan for the first time since Jan. 23. Cars and trucks were lined up for hours at the city’s 76 tollgates. A Phoenix TV reporter posted a video of vehicles streaming out.

“I’m very excited,” Li Qing, a Wuhan native waiting at a toll gate so she could return to her work in Jiangsu province, told the Sixth Tone website. “The city can’t stay sealed off forever — we need to go to work.”

More than 55,000 people were estimated to be leaving Wuhan by train on Wednesday, with 40 percent going to the southern manufacturing hub of Guangdong. The first flight to leave Wuhan’s Tianhe International Airport since the city lifted the lockdown was a China Eastern plane bound for Sanya, on the resort island of Hainan.

Most of those leaving appeared to be migrant workers trying to return to jobs elsewhere in China. The lockdown began on the eve of the Lunar New Year holiday, often the only time of year that people can visit their hometowns and families.

But the Communist Party secretary for Hubei province, Ying Yong, said that Wuhan, the capital of Hubei, was not out of the woods. “Zero new infection doesn’t mean zero risk in the epidemic,” Ying said Tuesday. “The lifting of the traffic lockdown doesn’t mean a lifting of epidemic control measures; the reopening of the city gate doesn’t mean that we should open the doors to our homes.”

The Hubei government has urged residents not to go outside unless necessary, and if they do go out, to wear masks.

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 4/5/2020 at 2:51 PM, Tiberius said:

Another socislized industry. Dairy industry is socialism in action 

 

Corporate welfare is okay in limited cases, but the dairy industry definitely shouldn’t be included in these cases. The original purpose of farm subsidies was to stabilize the country’s food supply during famines or deep economic recessions, like what was seen during the Gilded Age. The dairy industry has always invested heavily in lobbyists in order to convince America and its politicians that they provide a “critical” nutrition source (I think they may have even played a prominent role in getting Iowa to be the first primary state?). The problem here is that dairy milk is in no way an essential source of nutrition. You can get calcium and vitamin D from a large variety of natural food sources, as well as fortified ones, supplements, and sunlight in the case of vitamin D. Many Americans are not even lactose tolerant, including most non-Caucasians. Dairy farmers are whining to the government because alternative plant-based milks are hurting their business model, but at the same time they’re completely unwilling to adapt their farm business model to accommodate the natural changes in demand occurring within the food market. I didn’t even touch the animal rights issues with the dairy industry, but that’s another topic for another thread.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

Corporate welfare is okay in limited cases, but the dairy industry definitely shouldn’t be included in these cases. The original purpose of farm subsidies was to stabilize the country’s food supply during famines or deep economic recessions, like what was seen during the Gilded Age. The dairy industry has always invested heavily in lobbyists in order to convince America and its politicians that they provide a “critical” nutrition source (I think they may have even played a prominent role in getting Iowa to be the first primary state?). The problem here is that dairy milk is in no way an essential source of nutrition. You can get calcium and vitamin D from a large variety of natural food sources, as well as fortified ones, supplements, and sunlight in the case of vitamin D. Many Americans are not even lactose tolerant, including most non-Caucasians. Dairy farmers are whining to the government because alternative plant-based milks are hurting their business model, but at the same time they’re completely unwilling to adapt their farm business model to accommodate the natural changes in demand occurring within the food market. I didn’t even touch the animal rights issues with the dairy industry, but that’s another topic for another thread.

But Americans love their milk and politicians know that. It's my understanding that dairy is given price supports because submitting it to the whims of the market would ruin dairy farmers during bust cycles so that no one would go into the business. That's what was happening during the depression. Now, of course, the price supports lead to over production 

[TH3]

55 minutes ago, shoshin said:

I have yet to see a plan, though I believe it’s coming and will involve aggressive tracking of contacts if it is done properly. If not, roll a bomb into the economy and healthcare system that makes the current situation look like a sparkler. 

 

The "plan" the WH is going to have is a plan to make them look good. The WH will say that the US is open for business and leave the details to the states. This way - if the states go slow....they can say ...."Hey...we opened it up but they slowed it down". This makes the idiots like the regulars here to think everything would be cool if we just did it DT's way....but since you did not do it DT's way...whelp - can't blame him....and if people die....well its the liberal states did not get it right...because liberals...

 

Same thing with the malaria drug....its the perfect "out" for DT...."Hey...I was pushing the magic cure...if everyone was to use it...the death rate would have been lower" Same thing - the 5th avenues here are already on track that Fauci and Gates are conspirators and its not DT's fault - because he had the answer...

 

The plan should be stringent and constant testing - if you are clean or had it...you get a bracelet that clears you for action. Track and trace until the threat is gone or their is a vaccine. Prescient...but that is what they did in Contagion ....Pretty simple....blocking and tackiling

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, TH3 said:

 

 

 

Same thing with the malaria drug....its the perfect "out" for DT...."Hey...I was pushing the magic cure...if everyone was to use it...the death rate would have been lower" .

 

Actually it’s up to the doctors and patients via off label prescribing.

 

But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good narrative 

[shoshin]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

Actually it’s up to the doctors and patients via off label prescribing.

 

But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good narrative 

I like any post that cites Contagion as a source!

[123719bwiqrb]

7 minutes ago, TH3 said:

 

The "plan" the WH is going to have is a plan to make them look good. The WH will say that the US is open for business and leave the details to the states. This way - if the states go slow....they can say ...."Hey...we opened it up but they slowed it down". This makes the idiots like the regulars here to think everything would be cool if we just did it DT's way....but since you did not do it DT's way...whelp - can't blame him....and if people die....well its the liberal states did not get it right...because liberals...

 

Same thing with the malaria drug....its the perfect "out" for DT...."Hey...I was pushing the magic cure...if everyone was to use it...the death rate would have been lower" Same thing - the 5th avenues here are already on track that Fauci and Gates are conspirators and its not DT's fault - because he had the answer...

 

The plan should be stringent and constant testing - if you are clean or had it...you get a bracelet that clears you for action. Track and trace until the threat is gone or their is a vaccine. Prescient...but that is what they did in Contagion ....Pretty simple....blocking and tackiling

 

Tell me more about this bracelet, this sounds big brained.

[US Egg]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's my understanding that dairy is given price supports because submitting it to the whims of the market would ruin dairy farmers during bust cycles so that no one would go into the business. That's what was happening during the depression. Now, of course, the price supports lead to over production 

You're understanding the cow farmer during  the Depression ? 

 

Fair to say, the manure part you have grasped. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by I am the egg man

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

You're understanding the cow farmer during  the Depression ? 

Egg? 

[US Egg]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Egg? 

Yes. Enlighten us about the chicken farmer during the Depression and how it correlates with the job Trump is doing today

[Tiberius]

Just now, I am the egg man said:

Yes. Enlighten us about the chicken farmer during the Depression and how it correlates with the job Trump is doing today

Eggy, did you ever hear of the sick chicken case? 

 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/SB50001424052702304336204576583140796472516

[US Egg]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Eggy, did you ever hear of the sick chicken case? 

 

https://www.barrons.

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Eggy, did you ever hear of the sick chicken case? 

 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/SB50001424052702304336204576583140796472516

com/articles/SB500014240527023043362045765831407964

Too bad it can't help your malevolence.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

Too bad it can't help your malevolence.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

[US Egg]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Tiberius among the little boys in Rome before he was beaten to death.

[Q-baby!]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Egghead’s wife says “definitely the egg.” 

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Tiberius among the little boys in Rome before he was beaten to death.

Maybe you should try exercise. That might make you relieve your obvious mental issues

[US Egg]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Maybe you should try exercise. That might make you relieve your obvious mental issues

Maybe you should stop identifying as a pedophile. 

[Q-baby!]

Back to work will be a date on the calendar based on $, not the safety of citizens. Dr.Trump is getting anxious! 

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

Maybe you should stop identifying as a pedophile. 

That’s 3rdnlng. 

[Nanker]

9 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Says the guy who thinks the FDIC is socialism. ?

 

9 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

He's still wondering if they are going to call up the Federal Reserve.

That happens after they call in the FBI Police. 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Maybe you should stop identifying as a pedophile. 

You are just wacky. Go away you POS. 

 

 

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

I have yet to see a plan, though I believe it’s coming and will involve aggressive tracking of contacts if it is done properly. If not, roll a bomb into the economy and healthcare system that makes the current situation look like a sparkler. 

don't worry, the wet dream of a complete total surveillance state is coming.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Foxx

[US Egg]

8 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Back to work will be a date on the calendar based on $, not the safety of citizens. Dr.Trump is getting anxious! 

That’s 3rdnlng. 

You and your RV capers surely are deviant, just not easy to pin down your proclivities whilst in there.

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

You and your RV capers surely are deviant, just not easy to pin down your proclivities whilst in there.

You should really were protection next time. That looks like a nasty infection! 

[US Egg]

1 minute ago, Q-baby! said:

You should really were protection next time. That looks like a nasty infection! 

Obviously, by the looks of things, you didn't.

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

Obviously, by the looks of things, you didn't.

Is that “I know you are, but what am I?”

 

Are you drunk? 
 

Im just saying, get it checked out, it’s clearly infected. 

[US Egg]

2 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Is that “I know you are, but what am I?”

 

Are you drunk? 
 

Im just saying, get it checked out, it’s clearly infected. 

Must suck not being able to go back to your chasing shopping carts job.

[Westside]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

 

The "plan" the WH is going to have is a plan to make them look good. The WH will say that the US is open for business and leave the details to the states. This way - if the states go slow....they can say ...."Hey...we opened it up but they slowed it down". This makes the idiots like the regulars here to think everything would be cool if we just did it DT's way....but since you did not do it DT's way...whelp - can't blame him....and if people die....well its the liberal states did not get it right...because liberals...

 

Same thing with the malaria drug....its the perfect "out" for DT...."Hey...I was pushing the magic cure...if everyone was to use it...the death rate would have been lower" Same thing - the 5th avenues here are already on track that Fauci and Gates are conspirators and its not DT's fault - because he had the answer...

 

The plan should be stringent and constant testing - if you are clean or had it...you get a bracelet that clears you for action. Track and trace until the threat is gone or their is a vaccine. Prescient...but that is what they did in Contagion ....Pretty simple....blocking and tackiling

Isn't that what china is doing now? No new cases since the outbreak. They just opened up the airport. Yeah, let's be more like China!

[SoCal Deek]

Are there no moderators on this board anymore? Do we really have to have Tibs and Q reduce EVERY SINGLE thread to a back and forth about ‘ball licking’? Even in the midst of a worldwide pandemic? Come on guys! Can the moderators PLEASE socially distance these two for awhile? 

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

You're understanding the cow farmer during  the Depression ? 

 

Fair to say, the manure part you have grasped. 

  If properly gathered and applied Tibs could eliminate the need for commercial fertilizer by ALL USA farmers.  

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Are there no moderators on this board anymore? Do we really have to have Tibs and Q reduce EVERY SINGLE thread to a back and forth about ‘ball licking’? Even in the midst of a worldwide pandemic? Come on guys! Can the moderators PLEASE socially distance these two for awhile? 

  The moderators claim that they cannot tell the difference between the players here.  What does that say about the mods?

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

Corporate welfare is okay in limited cases, but the dairy industry definitely shouldn’t be included in these cases. The original purpose of farm subsidies was to stabilize the country’s food supply during famines or deep economic recessions, like what was seen during the Gilded Age. The dairy industry has always invested heavily in lobbyists in order to convince America and its politicians that they provide a “critical” nutrition source (I think they may have even played a prominent role in getting Iowa to be the first primary state?). The problem here is that dairy milk is in no way an essential source of nutrition. You can get calcium and vitamin D from a large variety of natural food sources, as well as fortified ones, supplements, and sunlight in the case of vitamin D. Many Americans are not even lactose tolerant, including most non-Caucasians. Dairy farmers are whining to the government because alternative plant-based milks are hurting their business model, but at the same time they’re completely unwilling to adapt their farm business model to accommodate the natural changes in demand occurring within the food market. I didn’t even touch the animal rights issues with the dairy industry, but that’s another topic for another thread.

  With the dairy industry it is not just a matter of a source of vitamin D all though that was a driving point decades ago.  It is the only viable source in bulk for cheeses, yogurt, and ice cream which American consumers heavily desire.  Most people heavily crave Italian food which is heavy in cheese.  The quantity needed so every American can get their fill cannot be met with goats.  Cheese substitutes have been around for decades and were pushed during the late 1970's as inflation exploded on the American consumer with little acceptance especially when prices receded on real cheese.

[Nanker]

10 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  If properly gathered and applied Tibs could eliminate the need for commercial fertilizer by ALL USA farmers.  

  The moderators claim that they cannot tell the difference between the players here.  What does that say about the mods?

I think one of the gnarly players is a mod. C-YA!

[Foxx]

***** censorship. you can't complain about social media manipulation then claim to want it here. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Foxx

[KRC]

23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

   The moderators claim that they cannot tell the difference between the players here.  What does that say about the mods?

 

Mods don't even bother showing up and if they do, they just run away. We used to have mods (I was one of them), but they did not want enforcement of TOS on this side of the board.

[Q-baby!]

32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Are there no moderators on this board anymore? Do we really have to have Tibs and Q reduce EVERY SINGLE thread to a back and forth about ‘ball licking’? Even in the midst of a worldwide pandemic? Come on guys! Can the moderators PLEASE socially distance these two for awhile? 

That’s because you guys are just as bad and they know it. 

[US Egg]

2 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

That’s because you guys are just as bad and they know it. 

 

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

 

Did you ever get any money from him? 

[US Egg]

6 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Did you ever get any money from him? 

No, but no doubt, your bottle scavenging thru others recycle bins is paying your bills.

[123719bwiqrb]

I still have not seen or heard of a coherent plan from anyone, other than broad speculation.  The type of speculation your hear from science fiction dreamers.

 

Here are my thoughts:

 

- The antibody testing will never ramp up fast enough (200M tests ready by May 1st?), so it will have to be a spot check at best.  Maybe 10% of the population; 30M tests may be doable.  That will get a feel for how long the virus has been in the wild.  Imagine the egg-on-faces if it's been here for waves since Dec 2019 (very possible).  So that is why my hunch is this test will never even grow legs and be a viable option. 

 

- That would also put the bracelet/mark of the beast question to bed.  Not viable to test every human, and people would never agree to it anyways, so why entertain it.

 

- The actual, active virus test will need to have better coverage, and the tracing will need to be Stasi like.  This is the test that will need to be in the ~200M range by May 1st, and it will need fast replenishment.  Does anyone know how many tests and manufacturer's capacity is out there?  And let's assume they are widely available, and anyone who needs it gets it.  Who is going to do all the positive tester contact follow up?  The US is not built for that (too big).

 

- This is why we will land on the regional reopening option, and will have to go back to the old way of trusting our neighbors.  Keep the immuno-compromised & grandma sheltered (somewhat), but let the "brave" rest of us who need to go on with our lives, go about it.  If you get it, you get it.  Sorry, like cancer, you don't get any guarantees in life.

 

If we don't do this by May 1st, get ready for a repeat of the middle ages.  My fortune 500 (maybe 200 now?) said it will layoff everyone in the US if we aren't reopened by mid May.  I'm sure most big companies are considering that too, and it would be the death of the USA if that happened.  Mid May is the point of no return.

 

[RochesterRob]

9 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

I still have not seen or heard of a coherent plan from anyone, other than broad speculation.  The type of speculation your hear from science fiction dreamers.

 

Here are my thoughts:

 

- The antibody testing will never ramp up fast enough (200M tests ready by May 1st?), so it will have to be a spot check at best.  Maybe 10% of the population; 30M tests may be doable.  That will get a feel for how long the virus has been in the wild.  Imagine the egg-on-faces if it's been here for waves since Dec 2019 (very possible).  So that is why my hunch is this test will never even grow legs and be a viable option. 

 

- That would also put the bracelet/mark of the beast question to bed.  Not viable to test every human, and people would never agree to it anyways, so why entertain it.

 

- The actual, active virus test will need to have better coverage, and the tracing will need to be Stasi like.  This is the test that will need to be in the ~200M range by May 1st, and it will need fast replenishment.  Does anyone know how many tests and manufacturer's capacity is out there?  And let's assume they are widely available, and anyone who needs it gets it.  Who is going to do all the positive tester contact follow up?  The US is not built for that (too big).

 

- This is why we will land on the regional reopening option, and will have to go back to the old way of trusting our neighbors.  Keep the immuno-compromised & grandma sheltered (somewhat), but let the "brave" rest of us who need to go on with our lives, go about it.  If you get it, you get it.  Sorry, like cancer, you don't get any guarantees in life.

 

If we don't do this by May 1st, get ready for a repeat of the middle ages.  My fortune 500 (maybe 200 now?) said it will layoff everyone in the US if we aren't reopened by mid May.  I'm sure most big companies are considering that too, and it would be the death of the USA if that happened.  Mid May is the point of no return.

 

  A lot of damage will already be done by the end of April with what has already transpired.  Not trying to be a doomsayer but just trying to get everybody to see the magnitude of what has happened already.  As Old Time has already said banks are not making the majority of loans the government was hoping for when the program was unveiled.