There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[B-Man]

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[ALF]

Hot spots need to stay closed beyond May 1 ,  especially metro NYC.  It could be up to governors in less hit areas after May 1 , they will get credit or the blame if it goes bad.

[shoshin]

16 minutes ago, ALF said:

Hot spots need to stay closed beyond May 1 ,  especially metro NYC.  It could be up to governors in less hit areas after May 1 , they will get credit or the blame if it goes bad.

I expect we will hear some suggestions from the administration about how they recommend states open starting later this week. Probably just the initial broad ideas. 

[B-Man]

16 minutes ago, ALF said:

Hot spots need to stay closed beyond May 1 ,  especially metro NYC.  It could be up to governors in less hit areas after May 1 , they will get credit or the blame if it goes bad.

 

 

Of course.

 

No one thinks it should all at once.

 

But a large majority of areas could be "opened" with common sense precautions still in place........

 

 

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[Boatdrinks]

26 minutes ago, ALF said:

Hot spots need to stay closed beyond May 1 ,  especially metro NYC.  It could be up to governors in less hit areas after May 1 , they will get credit or the blame if it goes bad.

It ultimately will be up to Governors , at least that’s what President Trump alluded to. That is concerning though, considering Andrew Cuomo will be calling the shots. NYC is clearly a special situation and should probably continue with major restrictions for awhile. For example, most of the NYC area uses public transportation. That’s a great way to spread the virus. WNY is more similar to parts of PA or Ohio , and hopefully Cuomo acknowledges this difference. It would be horrendously bad policy for all of NYS to continue with NYC type restrictions. 

 

2 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

The funniest part about the thread is how many of you don’t actually leave your house to “work”

I, for one leave the house to go to work each day. There are many others here that do so as well. I’m sure many do not under the current circumstance, but that doesn’t mean they don’t see the dire need to reopen the economy. 

2 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  So is Trump going to issue ultimatums to the state governors?  I am very pessimistic that Cuomo will reopen the state outside of NYC by May 1.

I’m not sure , although Trump mentioned he would have stepped in if the situation were reversed. Does that mean he will if AC decides NYS as a whole needs to remain closed because that’s the only “ fair” thing to do ? I concur with your lack of confidence in Cuomo. 

[3rdnlng]

49 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It ultimately will be up to Governors , at least that’s what President Trump alluded to. That is concerning though, considering Andrew Cuomo will be calling the shots. NYC is clearly a special situation and should probably continue with major restrictions for awhile. For example, most of the NYC area uses public transportation. That’s a great way to spread the virus. WNY is more similar to parts of PA or Ohio , and hopefully Cuomo acknowledges this difference. It would be horrendously bad policy for all of NYS to continue with NYC type restrictions. 

 

I, for one leave the house to go to work each day. There are many others here that do so as well. I’m sure many do not under the current circumstance, but that doesn’t mean they don’t see the dire need to reopen the economy. 

I’m not sure , although Trump mentioned he would have stepped in if the situation were reversed. Does that mean he will if AC decides NYS as a whole needs to remain closed because that’s the only “ fair” thing to do ? I concur with your lack of confidence in Cuomo. 

Trump isn't going to strong arm any state to open up. It's not only politically dangerous but constitutionally wrong. 

[SoCal Deek]

May 1st is a long time from now! We shut  our office in Southern California three weeks ago. May 1st is another three weeks from now. The country will be in a far better place by then. 

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Trump isn't going to strong arm any state to open up. It's not only politically dangerous but constitutionally wrong. 

I agree on the Constitutional aspect. I was just paraphrasing what he said in his briefing, he mentioned he would have overridden the lack of a lockdown if he felt one was needed. Still, the larger point of my post was a lack of faith in Cuomo. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

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[Boatdrinks]

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

May 1st is a long time from now! We shut  our office in Southern California three weeks ago. May 1st is another three weeks from now. The country will be in a far better place by then. 

And in many ways, the country will be in a worse place then. Far worse. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

And in many ways, the country will be in a worse place then. Far worse. 

 

By design.

[4merper4mer]

19 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

The funniest part about the thread is how many of you don’t actually leave your house to “work”

I predicted you'd be a douche bag but this isn't the prescience thread.

 

Do I get half a point?

[Artful Dodger]

15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

May 1st is a long time from now! We shut  our office in Southern California three weeks ago. May 1st is another three weeks from now. The country will be in a far better place by then. 

 

From the Guardian newspaper:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/less-than-1-of-austria-infected-with-coronavirus-new-study-shows

 

"Less than 1% of the Austrian population is “acutely infected” with coronavirus, new research based on testing a representative sample of more than 1,500 people suggests."

"The research, if replicated and confirmed elsewhere, would appear to scotch hopes of countries being remotely close to relying on “herd immunity” – where enough of the population is exposed to the virus to build up a combined immunity – as a viable policy option."

 

If the same is true for the United States, it means that if we open up in May, the country will be in about the same place it is now, except that hopefully we'll have more masks and ventilators available for the many people who are going to get sick and need to be hospitalized.  Social distancing and shutdowns were never meant to eliminate the virus; they were meant to ensure that we don't all get sick at the same time and overwhelm hospitals.  You can bend the curve, but the curve is still there. 

 

The price for opening up the economy is that a lot of people are going to die.  That's true if we open up in May; it will be true if we open up in July.  It will be true until a vaccine is developed.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

6 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said:

 

 

 

The price for opening up the economy is that a lot of people are going to die.  That's true if we open up in May; it will be true if we open up in July.  It will be true until a vaccine is developed.

Yup

"Opening up" isn't going to be any one person's or leaders or organizations decision. The NBA basically led the way with shut down and sports leagues might be the measure we follow as a society to reopen. Will Trump start holding his rallies if the NFL is not open for business? Even if more states end social distancing the profession and college teams may balk at returning to play until they feel it's totally safe to gather 80,000 in a stadium. 

[SoCal Deek]

32 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Yup

"Opening up" isn't going to be any one person's or leaders or organizations decision. The NBA basically led the way with shut down and sports leagues might be the measure we follow as a society to reopen. Will Trump start holding his rallies if the NFL is not open for business? Even if more states end social distancing the profession and college teams may balk at returning to play until they feel it's totally safe to gather 80,000 in a stadium. 

Wrong as usual Tibs. Your take on things is often totally backwards. This is a free society. At least it’s supposed to be. The President (one person) can/will make the decision to remove the restrictions on gathering...without people risking fine or penalty. Then it will be up to the people to decide if they actually do. Its called freedom! 

[RochesterRob]

36 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Yup

"Opening up" isn't going to be any one person's or leaders or organizations decision. The NBA basically led the way with shut down and sports leagues might be the measure we follow as a society to reopen. Will Trump start holding his rallies if the NFL is not open for business? Even if more states end social distancing the profession and college teams may balk at returning to play until they feel it's totally safe to gather 80,000 in a stadium. 

  Very interesting that you pop your head out of the hole on this day of all days.  I've long suspected that you are pretty much a modern day Pontius Pilate wannabe.  You are no more concerned about the sanctity of this nation than Pilate was the Jewish religion.  Just as Pilate was acting to keep a movement from tearing the Roman Empire apart you are acting to sway opinion away from what may be helpful for this country in favor of a new world order.  Then Rome.  Today NWO.

[Magox]

1 hour ago, Artful Dodger said:

 

From the Guardian newspaper:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/less-than-1-of-austria-infected-with-coronavirus-new-study-shows

 

"Less than 1% of the Austrian population is “acutely infected” with coronavirus, new research based on testing a representative sample of more than 1,500 people suggests."

"The research, if replicated and confirmed elsewhere, would appear to scotch hopes of countries being remotely close to relying on “herd immunity” – where enough of the population is exposed to the virus to build up a combined immunity – as a viable policy option."

 

If the same is true for the United States, it means that if we open up in May, the country will be in about the same place it is now, except that hopefully we'll have more masks and ventilators available for the many people who are going to get sick and need to be hospitalized.  Social distancing and shutdowns were never meant to eliminate the virus; they were meant to ensure that we don't all get sick at the same time and overwhelm hospitals.  You can bend the curve, but the curve is still there. 

 

The price for opening up the economy is that a lot of people are going to die.  That's true if we open up in May; it will be true if we open up in July.  It will be true until a vaccine is developed.

 

One major problem with your faulty take.

 

Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere, not only is it in the Southern Hemisphere but it’s way down south.  And not only is it way down south but their population centers are on the southern side.

 

Why do you think this is important?

 

Let me give you a hint, the Southern Hemisphere are not in their flu seasons.  More heat and humidity.  Recorded Infection rates in the Southern Hemisphere are Over 10,000% less than the Northern Hemisphere.
 

You aren’t even comparing apples to oranges but rather apples to turnips 

 

 

 

 

[Artful Dodger]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

One major problem with your faulty take.

 

Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere, not only is it in the Southern Hemisphere but it’s way down south.  And not only is it way down south but their population centers are on the southern side.

 

Why do you think this is important?

 

Let me give you a hint, the Southern Hemisphere are not in their flu seasons.  More heat and humidity.  Recorded Infection rates in the Southern Hemisphere are Over 10,000% less than the Northern Hemisphere.
 

You aren’t even comparing apples to oranges but rather apples to turnips 

 

 

 

 

 

Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said:

 

Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. 

Now THIS is funny!  

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said:

 

Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. 

Whoops.