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Would Cam Newton be a good backup to Josh?

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On 3/18/2020 at 3:55 AM, Doc Brown said:

Whenever I think of Newton this play comes to mind.  Not a fan and I wouldn't mind him going to the Patriots.

 

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We have seen what Josh does in that situation....dives in head first :)

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If we are going to upgrade the backup QB position, I'd want Andy Dalton. 

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4 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Hi:  I took all kinds of heat when I started this thread.  Well..... I just read on CBS Sportsline that the Bills are the 2nd  most likely landing place for cam Newton. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cam-newton-released-four-most-logical-landing-spots-for-longtime-panthers-quarterback/

 

It makes sense on many levels.

It really only makes sense to a writer with space to fill.  To summarize why a bad idea:

 

1.  Will want to be a starter

2.  Will want more $ than a normal backup

3.  His ego is not suited to a backup

4.  Does not seem like the mentor type

5.  Injury status unknown

 

So while I think he is better than Barkley as a QB, he would not be a better backup QB.

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8 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Hi:  I took all kinds of heat when I started this thread.  Well..... I just read on CBS Sportsline that the Bills are the 2nd  most likely landing place for cam Newton. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cam-newton-released-four-most-logical-landing-spots-for-longtime-panthers-quarterback/

 

It makes sense on many levels.

It would make sense only from a skill set stand point- right now Can is a lesser version of JA. I understand he was MVP only 4 years ago but that was a long time ago in regards to the hits he has taken. Cam will end up in a situation where he feels he can start and Buffalo is not one of them.

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19 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

It would make sense only from a skill set stand point- right now Can is a lesser version of JA. I understand he was MVP only 4 years ago but that was a long time ago in regards to the hits he has taken. Cam will end up in a situation where he feels he can start and Buffalo is not one of them.

Isn't that the definition of a backup QB.  I don't see many starting opportunities for Cam.  The important question is:  is Cam an upgrade to our current back up?  I believe that he would be yes.

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Cam should just wait for a playoff contender to have a QB injury and sign with them. It is bound to happen. 

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15 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Isn't that the definition of a backup QB.  I don't see many starting opportunities for Cam.  The important question is:  is Cam an upgrade to our current back up?  I believe that he would be.

 

In theory it would make sense because they have similar skill sets.  However, do you think Cam would just accept that role honestly?  You don't see a distraction, overshadowing, and the moment Allen has a sub-par game or even practice, then here comes all the controversy.  And then when Newton has a subpart game or practice, put the kid back in.   That's a mess Beane and McDermott do not want or need.  

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Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

In theory it would make sense because they have similar skill sets.  However, do you think Cam would just accept that role honestly?  You don't see a distraction, overshadowing, and the moment Allen has a sub-par game or even practice, then here comes all the controversy.  And then when Newton has a subpart game or practice, put the kid back in.   That's a mess Beane and McDermott do not want or need.  

I can't say how Cam will handle the downside of his career.  The fact that he has a history with Beane  and to a lesser extent McDermott,   this may be a good situation for him.

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3 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

We have seen what Josh does in that situation....dives in head first :)

But is that smart?  I mean I love that attitude but if your qb gets a concussion there, will fans be applauding his bravery?  Watch what Brady does on INTs.  He runs out of the way.  Looks very soft but what if Brady gets hurt on a crack back block and is knocked out?

 

part of the reason Newton has had so many injuries is because he tries to win on every play.  Again, you love the attitude until he gets hurt.  Allen should develop a similar mindset. You don’t last as a starting qb being a hero on every play.

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1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I can't say how Cam will handle the downside of his career.  The fact that he has a history with Beane  and to a lesser extent McDermott,   this may be a good situation for him.

 

And that's why it's not worth bringing him in in my opinion, because I'm sure he feels he can still play at a high level.

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On 3/18/2020 at 3:55 AM, Doc Brown said:

Whenever I think of Newton this play comes to mind.  Not a fan and I wouldn't mind him going to the Patriots.

 

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Would have been much smarter to get a concussion 

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1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

And that's why it's not worth bringing him in in my opinion, because I'm sure he feels he can still play at a high level.

Don't underestimate McDermott in handling difficult personalities.   He may be able to sell Cam this new role.

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36 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Isn't that the definition of a backup QB.  I don't see many starting opportunities for Cam.  The important question is:  is Cam an upgrade to our current back up?  I believe that he would be yes.

You and I disagree on what Cam is willing to do when he arrives wherever that is. If he is not the starter he will do what he must to become the starter, he will sow division in the locker room. Skill set is far less important  on a backup QBs resume than the proper mentality.

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You and I disagree on what Cam is willing to do when he arrives wherever that is. If he is not the starter he will do what he must to become the starter, he will sow division in the locker room. Skill set is far less important  on a backup QBs resume than the proper mentality.

I do agree with this.  I also know we’re screwed if Barkley has to play and that could derail a playoff berth.  Get Joe Flacco.

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3 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

It really only makes sense to a writer with space to fill.  To summarize why a bad idea:

 

1.  Will want to be a starter

2.  Will want more $ than a normal backup

3.  His ego is not suited to a backup

4.  Does not seem like the mentor type

5.  Injury status unknown

 

So while I think he is better than Barkley as a QB, he would not be a better backup QB.

Pretty much think this covers it.

 

Mind you, if Cam actually wanted to be a backup for a year, then I am open to being convinced.

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30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I do agree with this.  I also know we’re screwed if Barkley has to play and that could derail a playoff berth.  Get Joe Flacco.

I agree on Barkley part but I am not sure Flacco will be cheap enough.

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On 3/18/2020 at 2:06 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

1) Cam has no interest in being a backup at this point.  If he's healthy, he's earned a shot to start.  If he isn't, he shouldn't be a backup

2) The ego pressure in that QB room would be so intense that Ken Dorsey would have to be rushed to the hypobaric chamber to prevent a bad case of the "Bends"
 

 

FIFY.  Oh, wait, you weren't speaking French?  You meant the QB last name Winston?
Seriously - since "taking care of the football" is such a huge deal for McDermott, why does anyone think he'd want Mr Picksomatic waiting in the wings?

McDermott had Nathan Pickerman starting games so stop. J Winston would be a upgrade to Matt Barkley

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He would be the best backup in the league if he is healthy.  That's why he is going to be a starter somewhere.

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On 3/18/2020 at 2:06 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

1) Cam has no interest in being a backup at this point.  If he's healthy, he's earned a shot to start.  If he isn't, he shouldn't be a backup

2) The ego pressure in that QB room would be so intense that Ken Dorsey would have to be rushed to the hypobaric chamber to prevent a bad case of the "Bends"
 

 

FIFY.  Oh, wait, you weren't speaking French?  You meant the QB last name Winston?
Seriously - since "taking care of the football" is such a huge deal for McDermott, why does anyone think he'd want Mr Picksomatic waiting in the wings?

Winston career int % 3.5

 

barkley career int % 6.1

 

He also drafted Nate Peterman, career int 9.2%!!!

 

winston might be too cautious to be a Bills backup. 

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I don't see any way that Cam would want to come to Buffalo to be a backup and that goes for Winston too.

Flacco is probably toast and there is no real FA QBs worth anything.

 

So, would it make sense that the Bills take a flyer on a 5th or 6th round QB in the draft?

I'm not a huge college fan but maybe a Nate Stanley/Steven Montez type?

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2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You and I disagree on what Cam is willing to do when he arrives wherever that is. If he is not the starter he will do what he must to become the starter, he will sow division in the locker room. Skill set is far less important  on a backup QBs resume than the proper mentality.

This is your opinion,  correct?

 

If Newton became our backup, I am confident that McBeane would have defined his role and obtained a buy in from him.  In my opinion.

 

As far as your last point, skill set extremely important when your QB goes down.  Do you remember games last year when Allen was not able to play or finish games?  Not pretty.

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Every time I read this thread title I can't help but laugh. Cam Newton playing backup to a guy that can't even hit the side of a barn with his passes. Cam may not be the most accurate passer, but he's light years ahead of Allen. 

 

BTW, Cam's teamates have never suggested that he does anything to hurt morale and he's only 30. People are just making stuff up here to support their arguments. I'm guessing he can still run, but I want a QB that can throw. I don't care if he runs at all. How many yards have Brady, Montana, Kelly, Marino et al run for?

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On 3/25/2020 at 6:26 AM, JMF2006 said:

 

We have seen what Josh does in that situation....dives in head first :)

 

Yes. Josh has a lot of experience with fumbles. He was 3rd in the entire NFL in fumbling in 2019.

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