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1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Man I wish we had him instead of Star.....😞

We may be able to afford him and then walk away from Star next season.

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Lions taking a $5M dead cap hit, not a good sign.  Snacks will be 31 this season, so still some gas left in the tank, age-wise.

 

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That’s crazy.  I thought he was still a fairly productive player 

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22 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Lions taking a $5M dead cap hit, not a good sign.  Snacks will be 31 this season, so still some gas left in the tank, age-wise.

 

I didn't know he was 30 wow

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4 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

TBD loves 30+ players

It’s almost like 26 year All-Pros don’t regularly hit free agency. Weird.

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Much better run stopper  and overall player than Star.... too bad we basically guaranteed Stars roster status a week ago with the restructured contract. 

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i think he was the best against the run as a d tackle last year as in years past. we'd be lucky to have him

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Steep decline in play last year as injuries really hampered him.  Sounded like he was going to retire.  One of the most underrated players of the last decade.

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31 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Much better run stopper  and overall player than Star.... too bad we basically guaranteed Stars roster status a week ago with the restructured contract. 

 

Interestingly, your post prompted me to look at Spotrac again to see Star's dead cap hit.  Prior to the restructure, 2021 was a potential out with a dead cap hit of around $2.1M, IIRC.  With the restructure, his dead cap hit is $7.7M in 2021, so Star is most likely here until 2022 (dead cap $2.6M), where he becomes a UFA in 2023; Beane committed to Star for another year, at least.  McD and Beane seem to really like Star.

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If that’s the end for Snacks he can retire knowing he put together a hell of a career for an UDFA. The Jets 100% should have re-signed him instead of Mo Wilkerson in 2016. 

 

Personality-wise I think Snacks got a “Locker Room Lawyer” rep at the end of his career which probably hurts him in free agency. 

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15 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Interestingly, your post prompted me to look at Spotrac again to see Star's dead cap hit.  Prior to the restructure, 2021 was a potential out with a dead cap hit of around $2.1M, IIRC.  With the restructure, his dead cap hit is $7.7M in 2021, so Star is most likely here until 2022 (dead cap $2.6M), where he becomes a UFA in 2023; Beane committed to Star for another year, at least.  McD and Beane seem to really like Star.

They probably like him because he does was he is supposed to do.  Funny how that works.

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2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

They probably like him because he does was he is supposed to do.  Funny how that works.

 

If you think Star is an above average 1-tech, I don't know what to tell you.

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9 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

If you think Star is an above average 1-tech, I don't know what to tell you.

Doing what you're supposed to do means you're an average player. Nobody said he's above average.

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1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

It’s almost like 26 year All-Pros don’t regularly hit free agency. Weird.

Yet they will find the fountain of youth and become game changers for the Bills.... amazing how that works.

 

Thank you for helping prove the point.

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25 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Yet they will find the fountain of youth and become game changers for the Bills.... amazing how that works.

 

Thank you for helping prove the point.

Don’t sign anyone who isn’t a 26 year old All Pro?

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SNACKS???

 

Did someone ay Snacks? Somewhere, Karlos just came to attention! 

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1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

If you think Star is an above average 1-tech, I don't know what to tell you.

 

 

You could tell him that he's absolutely correct, or that more specifically he's an above-average space-eater.

 

You could tell him there's a reason that the brain trust paid him that money and doubled down on keeping him longer, and that the reason is that he consistently does what the coaches want and need him to do.

 

You could also tell him that there seem to be a group of fans who don't like him but that they don't seem to get that what they feel is beside the point, that it's the coaches and the front office and what they feel that matters, not some group of fans with a weird grudge.

 

 

 

Snacks is also an above-average 1-tech. At his peak he was among the very best space-eaters in the game. He no longer seems to be at his peak, unfortunately. I've always loved how he plays.

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47 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Yet they will find the fountain of youth and become game changers for the Bills.... amazing how that works.

 

Thank you for helping prove the point.

He's a much better version of Star.....whom the Bills seem to value. Why? Because he played for Carolina? Other then that, I have no idea. 
 

I’d sign this guy and release Star in a heartbeat.

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5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You could tell him that he's absolutely correct.

 

You could tell him there's a reason that the brain trust paid him that money and doubled down on keeping him longer, and that the reason is that he consistently does what the coaches want and need him to do.

 

You could also tell him that there seem to be a group of fans who don't like him but that they don't seem to get that what they feel is beside the point, that it's the coaches and the front office and what they feel that matters, not some group of fans with a weird grudge.

 

 

 

Snacks is also an above-average 1-tech. At his peak he was among the very best space-eaters in the game. He no longer seems to be at his peak, unfortunately. I've always loved how he plays.

 

Not so sure I agree with all of this.  My guess is that the brain trust doesn't want to address the 1-tech position at this time - maybe there is no FA or rookie in the draft that they're interested in right now.  So they stick to what they are comfortable with, and in the mean time we can only hope Corey Liuget or Vince Taylor steps up and takes rotation time away from Star.

 

My impression is that Star is supposed to be a space eater who stops the run.  There were a number of games where he failed to do this - Philly, first Miami game, Cleveland come to mind.  He doesn't usually occupy two linemen, in fact one usually has no problem pushing him out of the run lane.

 

It isn't a weird grudge...really.  You look at teams with great defensive lines, like SF, and Star wouldn't be a starter or see much in the way of game time rotation.

 

 

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

Doing what you're supposed to do means you're an average player. Nobody said he's above average.

 

Sounds like you think the Bills should be looking for an upgrade...I agree.

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1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Not so sure I agree with all of this.  My guess is that the brain trust doesn't want to address the 1-tech position at this time - maybe there is no FA or rookie in the draft that they're interested in right now.  So they stick to what they are comfortable with, and in the mean time we can only hope Corey Liuget or Vince Taylor steps up and takes rotation time away from Star.

 

My impression is that Star is supposed to be a space eater who stops the run.  There were a number of games where he failed to do this - Philly, first Miami game, Cleveland come to mind.  He doesn't usually occupy two linemen, in fact one usually has no problem pushing him out of the run lane.

 

It isn't a weird grudge...really.  You look at teams with great defensive lines, like SF, and Star wouldn't be a starter or see much in the way of game time rotation.

 

 

Snacks Harrison, who has the same role as Star had more solo tackles(29) then Star had combined(19) and Snacks is now on the open market.... What does that tell you? 

 

 

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3 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Man I wish we had him instead of Star.....😞


Will probably cost us the SB right?  

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