BuffaloRebound Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Goff is a poor man’s Garoppolo, and Garoppolo just showed he’s never winning a Super Bowl no matter how good his supporting cast is. Rams keep chasing high priced non-QB pieces to compensate for their $30m per year QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 O how the mighty have fallen. A season ago McVay was being called a genius. People were celebrating how they built their team. I was being criticized for questioning their habit of throwing around money and calling Goff average. The Rams are in deep doo-doo. 10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: They are talking about that in the new CBa. Dont now the breakdown but they are talking about a QB salary cap and then a cap for everyone else Wow. QB salaries would go through the roof. There would have to be a separate cap just for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, FireChans said: Zeke had 1700 yards from scrimmage and 14 touchdowns last season. Maybe it’s time to stop listening to wherever your “rumblings” are coming from. Well unfortunately I live in the DFW area and listen to sports radio down here alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) On 2/6/2020 at 12:02 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just one note that in the link above, the source is " predicts one ESPN reporter. " Not "per source connected to the team" Predicts. One. ESPN Reporter. Essentially, at this point, it's one dude's speculation. it does seem like pretty fair speculation. They are drowning, he’s a 3 ton weight whose not worth nearly as much as he’s getting, and they can’t get out of it without trading. as for the OP. I would wonder how much of a dent this would cause our cap, but I do kind of like the idea if they’re willing to pay for us to take him. I doubt they will do that though, which means it’s unlikely they trade him. I think people are looking at it wrong. Take off the name and what he should be and ask if you’re willing to pay 17 million dollars for a good (could be great) #2 option behind Singletary, and say a 3rd round pick. That to me is closer to worth it; but that’s still a whole lot of cheddar. Edited February 7, 2020 by whatdrought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: They are talking about that in the new CBa. Dont now the breakdown but they are talking about a QB salary cap and then a cap for everyone else yeah, heard about this. I think it's a good idea, but it needs to be for all your QB's, not just your starter. Then if you go over that cap, it flows into your 'other cap' for everyone else. Sounds kinda cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: They are talking about that in the new CBa. Dont now the breakdown but they are talking about a QB salary cap and then a cap for everyone else I've seen that but how does that help teams without great QB's compete against those that have great QB's? The system is fine the way it is. If a Mahomes makes $50M then his team has less chips to improve other areas of their team which gives teams with lesser and less expensive QB'd teams a tool to help compete with them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 47 minutes ago, whatdrought said: it does seem like pretty fair speculation. They are drowning, he’s a 3 ton weight whose not worth nearly as much as he’s getting, and they can’t get out of it without trading. as for the OP. I would wonder how much of a dent this would cause our cap, but I do kind of like the idea if they’re willing to pay for us to take him. I doubt they will do that though, which means it’s unlikely they trade him. I think people are looking at it wrong. Take off the name and what he should be and ask if you’re willing to pay 17 million dollars for a good (could be great) #2 option behind Singletary, and say a 3rd round pick. That to me is closer to worth it; but that’s still a whole lot of cheddar. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/todd-gurley-16734/ Well, if I read the info correctly, Gurley still has 4 years left on his deal, free agent in 2024 His cap hit is: YR Cap Hit 20 17.2 MIL 21 13.2 MIL 22 14.2 MIL 23 12.5 MIL That sounds like alot for a platooning RB. Now, if like 'what' said AND they give us a great draft pick too, like a 2nd or 3rd round pick, you could in-essence split the cap hit over the 2 players (in your head). Contract Notes: $21.95M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2018 salary) 2019 salary fully guarantees on 3/15/2019 2020 Roster Bonus: $7.55M (guarantees 3/15/2019) 2020 salary fully guarantees on 3/20/2020 2021 Roster Bonus: $5M (guarantees 3/20/2020, paid the 3rd league day of 2021) 2022 Roster Bonus: $1M (due the 3rd league day of 2022) 2022 Training Camp Bonus: $4M 2023 Roster Bonus: $1M (due the 3rd league day of 2023) 2023 Training Camp Bonus: $4M 2023 Escalator: $2.5M $1M for 1,200+ rush yards, or 1,650 yards from scrimmage (exercised in 2018) $1.25M for NFL MVP or Offensive Player of the Year Interesting question (bold) for all the salary cap experts. The 2020 Roster bonus is coming up. Now, I'm assuming it will be paid on the 3rd league day of this upcoming 2020 season (March 21). Now, if someone trades for Gurley and it happens AFTER that date, does that cost stay with the Rams or would it transfer over to the new team??? IF it stays w the Rams, it would be 7.55MIL less of a hit this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, whatdrought said: as for the OP. I would wonder how much of a dent this would cause our cap, but I do kind of like the idea if they’re willing to pay for us to take him. I doubt they will do that though, which means it’s unlikely they trade him. I think people are looking at it wrong. Take off the name and what he should be and ask if you’re willing to pay 17 million dollars for a good (could be great) #2 option behind Singletary, and say a 3rd round pick. That to me is closer to worth it; but that’s still a whole lot of cheddar. I think someone said earlier it was essentially a 2 year 22 million dollar contract to bring him here. I don’t know how correct that is I’m no capologist. It’s really only worth it if you can get something big packaged with him. In my crazy head I’m thinking Gurley and maybe a 1st rounder from LA, and buffalo just sends them like a 4th round pick and maybe a backup offensive lineman or something insignificant. In that kind of trade Gurley is really irrelevant. If he can play at a decent level 10 touches a game that’s just an added bonus. It’s just the compensation you are looking at. We can take the cap on no problem whatsoever and gain a rookie contract to pair with it. And if you fleece them for a first you cut Gurley after year two but still have that cost controlled first round pick for years to come at a crucial time when we actually need to spend a good portion of the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) On 2/6/2020 at 12:12 PM, Mark Vader said: Good speculation. Gurley is a top notch RB, even though his knee issues are scary. I'd rather draft another RB. I agree. worth a few posts. Does anyone really know if his knees were shot this year? or is something more to the story. as in want to move on from him somehow cuz monies. I would be surprised if anyone thinks he is 1st string back anymore. and as mentioned getting out of the deal is an option after a year or two. This is one of the diligent thought processes Beane would do. and does not preclude Bills from drafting a contrasting RB to Devin late round. Even if the prediction is unfounded. it is worth a thought. More likely his knees are shot though : ( Edited February 7, 2020 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 52 minutes ago, hjnick said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/todd-gurley-16734/ Well, if I read the info correctly, Gurley still has 4 years left on his deal, free agent in 2024 His cap hit is: YR Cap Hit 20 17.2 MIL 21 13.2 MIL 22 14.2 MIL 23 12.5 MIL That sounds like alot for a platooning RB. Now, if like 'what' said AND they give us a great draft pick too, like a 2nd or 3rd round pick, you could in-essence split the cap hit over the 2 players (in your head). Contract Notes: $21.95M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2018 salary) 2019 salary fully guarantees on 3/15/2019 2020 Roster Bonus: $7.55M (guarantees 3/15/2019) 2020 salary fully guarantees on 3/20/2020 2021 Roster Bonus: $5M (guarantees 3/20/2020, paid the 3rd league day of 2021) 2022 Roster Bonus: $1M (due the 3rd league day of 2022) 2022 Training Camp Bonus: $4M 2023 Roster Bonus: $1M (due the 3rd league day of 2023) 2023 Training Camp Bonus: $4M 2023 Escalator: $2.5M $1M for 1,200+ rush yards, or 1,650 yards from scrimmage (exercised in 2018) $1.25M for NFL MVP or Offensive Player of the Year Interesting question (bold) for all the salary cap experts. The 2020 Roster bonus is coming up. Now, I'm assuming it will be paid on the 3rd league day of this upcoming 2020 season (March 21). Now, if someone trades for Gurley and it happens AFTER that date, does that cost stay with the Rams or would it transfer over to the new team??? IF it stays w the Rams, it would be 7.55MIL less of a hit this year. I am clueless here to be honest. So in 2021 he a 5 mill cap hit if Bills cut him? or does the the contract Bills would inherit mean Bill have to pay him next four seasons. Cuz thats waaaaaay not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: They are talking about that in the new CBa. Dont now the breakdown but they are talking about a QB salary cap and then a cap for everyone else That would be awesome because if there's one thing the NFL needs to do, it's to make sure teams with the top QBs get even more of an advantage than they do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) His knee was a career ending injury, he just hasn't admitted it yet. He went from the most dominating back in the league to an incredibly pedestrian, dime a dozen backup overnight. Give me an undrafted FA instead It's really sad, but at least he got paid. Edited February 7, 2020 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 No thanks. Draft Zack Moss, Utah in this years 3rd round. He would be a perfect #2 to Singletary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 11 hours ago, HOUSE said: I don't like players named Todd No This made me LOL! and then I thought... I agree, I also don't like players named Todd. Todd...The Todd... No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I agree. worth a few posts. Does anyone really know if his knees were shot this year? or is something more to the story. as in want to move on from him somehow cuz monies. I would be surprised if anyone thinks he is 1st string back anymore. and as mentioned getting out of the deal is an option after a year or two. This is one of the diligent thought processes Beane would do. and does not preclude Bills from drafting a contrasting RB to Devin late round. Even if the prediction is unfounded. it is worth a thought. More likely his knees are shot though : ( I’m not entirely sure his knees are toast. But, he is not the same back he was two years ago. He’s no longer a special elite kind of back more than likely. I mentioned earlier losing Sullivan and Saffold killed their team and definitely their run game. The other backs on the team averaged the same YPC. And another big drop off was the passing game there to running backs. They didn’t have many completions at all to backs compared to years past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, wppete said: No thanks. Draft Zack Moss, Utah in this years 3rd round. He would be a perfect #2 to Singletary. That’s twice you’ve said no thanks, we get it, but the whole point of this thread wasn’t about Gurley or his production. Or backup running back options. It was simply if the contract was worth the possible compensation paired with it. And how desperate they may be to move him. Rather they paired another player with Gurley or a possible high draft pick to get someone to take the contract off their hands. Obviously nobody wants a 10+ million dollar backup running back who may have bum wheels. They theoretically could just inactive him like they did Yeldon. Obviously stupid, unless the compensation was over the top. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Even if it is just speculation from a reporter at this point, I certainly can see why the Rams would want to move him. Trouble is no one in their right mind would take him with his current deal, not without some very attractive extra compensation attached to the trade. Rams ain’t got any of that, at least in the form of draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Even if it is just speculation from a reporter at this point, I certainly can see why the Rams would want to move him. Trouble is no one in their right mind would take him with his current deal, not without some very attractive extra compensation attached to the trade. Rams ain’t got any of that, at least in the form of draft picks. Yup. They’d have to trade a valuable player with him.... or McVay. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 It's really a shame about Gurley's knee. He's a Hall of Fame talent and was robbed of MVP in 2017-2018. 15 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Goff is a poor man’s Garoppolo, and Garoppolo just showed he’s never winning a Super Bowl no matter how good his supporting cast is. Rams keep chasing high priced non-QB pieces to compensate for their $30m per year QB. Goff is way better than Garoppolo. He would have hit Emmanuel Sanders in stride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 When you seem more concerned about what the 'extra compensation ' would be, what are we really doing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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