dpberr Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The State of Pennsylvania sits at ‘only’ 46 deaths per million. Whereas New York State sits at 513 deaths per million. I assume Philadelphia’s number is higher and the rest of the state is bringing down the average but I’d think not to that great of an extent. For some reason the virus doesn’t appear to have spread into Philly. You're both incorrect. Philadelphia is PA's biggest hot spot. It's in every zip code of the city but it's digging in like a tick in the north around Temple and in the nursing homes in the city. Monroe County and the Lehigh Valley are other areas that may be trouble. Edited April 17, 2020 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TH3 said: ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!! If I’m one of the “two posters above who couldn’t get a biz loan” that you’re referring to, then you’ve grossly misrepresented my post. I blamed a moron who works for Chase Bank. Not a “dem”. Try to be honest, or try to figure out what you’re reading and commenting upon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, snafu said: If I’m one of the “two posters above who couldn’t get a biz loan” that you’re referring to, then you’ve grossly misrepresented my post. I blamed a moron who works for Chase Bank. Not a “dem”. Try to be honest, or try to figure out what you’re reading and commenting upon. Now, now. The moron might be a dem. They aren't mutually exclusive! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Now, now. The moron might be a dem. They aren't mutually exclusive! No no, I’m a “little guy”. That Chase employee is screwing me because I’m not a connected fat cat. Ergo, he’s a Republican. Duh! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dpberr said: You're both incorrect. Philadelphia is PA's biggest hot spot. It's in every zip code of the city but it's digging in like a tick in the north around Temple and in the nursing homes in the city. Monroe County and the Lehigh Valley are other areas that may be trouble. PA deaths are steady, as are case counts. And Philly is just as steady as everywhere else right now. But with 10M people in the greater Philadelphia area, of course it's higher than the rest of PA. The data could be better but PA and Philly are not a "hotspot." PA case counts since April 1: Death counts are pretty steady too, as you can see in this flattening curve. Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, snafu said: I blamed a moron who works for Chase Bank. Not a “dem”. 13 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Now, now. The moron might be a dem. They aren't mutually exclusive! 6 minutes ago, snafu said: No no, I’m a “little guy”. That Chase employee is screwing me because I’m not a connected fat cat. Ergo, he’s a Republican. Duh! Look, can we all just agree that this is somehow all Trump's personal fault and move on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Koko78 said: Look, can we all just agree that this is somehow all Trump's personal fault and move on? Yes yes. I’m done with that idiot President. It’s lunchtime and I’m out of bread, so I’m just going to ***** directly into my hand now and eat it. The Michigan Governor says that’s the way to go! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) Turns out Trump did nothing for 4 months, not 3: US intelligence informed the Trump regime, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel in November. US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November Israel acted: deaths per 1M population: 17 Trump did not: deaths for 1M population: 107 Edited April 17, 2020 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, snafu said: Yes yes. I’m done with that idiot President. It’s lunchtime and I’m out of bread, so I’m just going to ***** directly into my hand now and eat it. The Michigan Governor says that’s the way to go! She knows best, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, dpberr said: You're both incorrect. Philadelphia is PA's biggest hot spot. It's in every zip code of the city but it's digging in like a tick in the north around Temple and in the nursing homes in the city. Monroe County and the Lehigh Valley are other areas that may be trouble. My in-laws are in a nursing home in Chester County. In their last report to the families, they had 18 out of 162 patients infected, with 5 staff members infected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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meazza Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: Turns out Trump did nothing for 4 months, not 3: US intelligence informed the Trump regime, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel in November. US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November Israel acted: deaths per 1M population: 17 Trump did not: deaths for 1M population: 107 Comparing Israel which is the size of practically a state to the United States? You realize that Israel has locked people down and started tracking their cellphones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Serological study from Standford: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: Comparing Israel which is the size of practically a state to the United States? You realize that Israel has locked people down and started tracking their cellphones? You realize they took the information and did something. Trump denied, praised China, rallied and golf. Keep defending... I don't care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, BillStime said: You realize they took the information and did something. Trump denied, praised China, rallied and golf. Keep defending... I don't care. What do you think of Trudeau, Macron, Johnson, Lofven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, meazza said: What do you think of Trudeau, Macron, Johnson, Lofven? Typical Trumphole - can’t defend so deflect! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Typical Trumphole - can’t defend so deflect! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Looks like Trump is on a full blown tweet storm. @Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: Typical Trumphole - can’t defend so deflect! My question remains, what do you think of other world leaders who could be considered 'late'? And I'm not a Trump supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: Looks like Trump is on a full blown tweet storm. @Deranged Rhino Timed (again) with a ton of Q drops. That's not to make this about Q, but to point out that he's activating both of his most direct channels to the people to say a lot today. In the past, that portends some big news breaking later in the day (most times, it's not a science). So I'd expect another spicy press conference today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Timed (again) with a ton of Q drops. That's not to make this about Q, but to point out that he's activating both of his most direct channels to the people to say a lot today. In the past, that portends some big news breaking later in the day (most times, it's not a science). So I'd expect another spicy press conference today. I think they are going to ask him about Cuomo complaining about tests and money. And they will ask him what his tweets about wanting to "liberate" some of these states such as Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota. It will either be contentious or he will shrug it off and not really address it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So I'd expect another spicy press conference today. They've been tame since the press got their ass handed to them, went home and actually did some research, and found he was not talking out his behind. I look forward to some fireworks! Edited April 17, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Magox said: I think they are going to ask him about Cuomo complaining about tests and money. And they will ask him what his tweets about wanting to "liberate" some of these states such as Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota. It will either be contentious or he will shrug it off and not really address it. A very good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, BillStime said: Typical - can’t defend so deflect! . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: They've been tame since the press got their ass handed to them, went home and actually did some research, and found he was not talking out his behind. I look forward to some fireworks! I don't think that's why it's been tame. Trump has changed his style over the past two briefings. He hasn't looked to get in skirmishes with journalists and he has not allowed reporters for the most part not followup with their questions. He also has answered the questions directly with rapid fire sort of responses and moves on quickly to the next question. These reporters will never feel like they have had "their asses handed to them". They believe they are winning every single day. They are feeding their left wing base (their viewers) and that's what their corporate bosses want them to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magox Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @shoshin Interesting antibody study out of Santa Clara California Quote Two research groups, assisted by a team of volunteers, sought to get a better sense of the true prevalence in Santa Clara County in Northern California, which was one of the first places in the U.S. where community spread was detected. They tested 3,300 people by asking the volunteers to show up to one of three testing sites locally. In a study published on Friday, the researchers, many of whom hailed from Stanford University, noted that the results suggest that Covid-19 could be far more widespread than the official counts suggest. Specifically, they estimate that between 2.5% and 4.2% of people in Santa Clara County may have antibodies. (The range is a result of different models used to extrapolate the test results to a representative population.) “These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50 (to) 85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases,” the authors wrote. 85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases??? It's a small test of 3300 people. But Dr. Fauci was talking about 50-75%% could be asymptomatic cases. I don't think we will end up seeing an 85-fold asymptomatic cases throughout the country, but I think this as the Germany test are showing that there is growing evidence that there are many more people that have been infected with the virus then what is being reported. Which I think is more good than bad news. It would mean that the mortality rates are lower than initially feared. I initially said that I believed it was going to end up being between .25%-.5% when it's all said and done. I'm leaning more towards .2% - .4% If we can get a really good grasp of the true mortality rate before October and it falls below .4%. Then I think we need to seriously rethink our social distancing policies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 More on the above study (thread) 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MILFHUNTER#518 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, BillStime said: Typical Trumphole - can’t defend so deflect! You still didn't answer the question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: That’s from yesterday. What they voted to do was force the governor to follow the Open America guidelines. Wolf threatened to veto that. He’s talking now about his plan to reopen so I suspect there’s more to come. Sounds like his plan has three somewhat similar phases from the tweets but I’ll wait to see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: You still didn't answer the question. Putin doesn't pay me to answer questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: That’s from yesterday. What they voted to do was force the governor to follow the Open America guidelines. Wolf threatened to veto that. He’s talking now about his plan to reopen so I suspect there’s more to come. Sounds like his plan has three somewhat similar phases from the tweets but I’ll wait to see it. I saw that after I posted and others commented. It was before my coffee, I blame that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Magox said: @shoshin Interesting antibody study out of Santa Clara California 85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases??? It's a small test of 3300 people. But Dr. Fauci was talking about 50-75%% could be asymptomatic cases. I don't think we will end up seeing an 85-fold asymptomatic cases throughout the country, but I think this as the Germany test are showing that there is growing evidence that there are many more people that have been infected with the virus then what is being reported. Which I think is more good than bad news. It would mean that the mortality rates are lower than initially feared. I initially said that I believed it was going to end up being between .25%-.5% when it's all said and done. I'm leaning more towards .2% - .4% If we can get a really good grasp of the true mortality rate before October and it falls below .4%. Then I think we need to seriously rethink our social distancing policies. The optimist in me thinks that whoever’s making decisions know that there are likely a lot more infected people out there and pushing out the re-opening dates is timed to when they project to be much closer to herd status. Even if it is 25% higher, then NYC is pretty close to having herd immunity. Thats the optimistic take I’ve got. Edit: 25x higher not 25% higher. Edited April 17, 2020 by snafu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I’m all for any good news. But this thing would have to be the most contagious MF on the planet to have infected that many people that quickly. So I remain a bit suspicious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I think golf might be one of the safest things to do without a crowd. Shocked they closed golf courses. Def should reopen them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: I’m all for any good news. But this thing would have to be the most contagious MF on the planet to have infected that many people that quickly. So I remain a bit suspicious. TDS-16 infected half the country in one evening! So, Covid-19 would be less infectious than that. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: More on the above study (thread) That twitter thread was a helluva read 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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