SoCal Deek Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, TPS said: So you're saying they never saw the possibility of a pandemic that wouldn't need this level of testing? Nor did they have any simulations in the recent past? Sorry, this smacks of CYA... And when the country is hit by hurricane....every year, do they have sandbags in huge warehouse to ship all over the country? This level of responsiveness is simply impossible. I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing that these tests have a shelf life (unlike sandbags) so they probably cannot be stored indefinitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: More garbage: Says the guy still running from an honest conversation because he confuses (Obama era) FISC memos and gov't documents as being "conspiracy theories". Why? because @BullBuchanan is not only a coward, he's deeply propagandized to the point of actually thinking he's informed. When he's anything but. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: More garbage: Idk dude. Logic dictates that if the establishment is selling one narrative, then alternative narratives automatically hold more weight. Unfortunately this site didn't get a "Very Low" rating, which probably means the establishment has infiltrated their ranks to some extent. One must read between the lines to get a clear picture. I feel stupider just for writing that, but that's actually how these clowns think... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: FEAR will be your undoing. Fear makes you weak. Fear makes you fall for "just give us your rights and we PROMISE we'll give them back when this is over." Fight that fear, Shoshin. Tracking is not the answer. Tracking is voluntary enslavement to the state -- the same state which has done nothing but ***** us over for decades while they got rich. Gotta think beyond the moment I am practical. You've conflated this into some grand epic. I will survive Covid, a true economic meltdown, big brother tracking my covid status, or not. But this is not the grand "give me liberty or give me death" moment you suggest. Unless you're in one of 14 states, you're home stripped of your liberty right now. And if Covid comes back in waves as it is set to be, it will happen again. You could exercise your freedom and join 300 people in a rave in your local park to stick it to "the man," but you won't because that would be bad for their/your health. I want the right to assemble back. I place that higher than the right of someone to trace my contacts. When I get my right to assemble back, I will want my right to privacy too. We're back and forth on this. No need to reply but if you do, you get the last word. Edited April 9, 2020 by shoshin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Says the guy still running from an honest conversation because he confuses (Obama era) FISC memos and gov't documents as being "conspiracy theories". Why? because @BullBuchanan is not only a coward, he's deeply propagandized to the point of actually thinking he's informed. When he's anything but. You people can't find anything that isn't posted by an extreme-right source. I think you even get your weather there. Your viewpoint is so biased we can't even have simple conversations without your political bent. Edit: And FYI, yea occasionally your broken clock will also report on an article a less biased source does. It doesn't validate the rest of the garbage they spew into your eyes and ears all day. That's how it works. Post an occasionally semi-accurate article, call yourself "fair and balanced" and then spew tabloid garbage the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day. Edited April 9, 2020 by BullBuchanan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: You people can't find anything that isn't posted by an extreme-right source. I think you even get your weather there. Your viewpoint is so biased we can't even have simple conversations without your political bent. Big words from a guy who's still running from AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT PRODUCED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. You think that's an "extreme right" source? No, you don't. You're just too cowardly to read it and think for yourself, because doing so would force you to admit that you're not as well informed as you claim. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Big words from a guy who's still running from AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT PRODUCED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. You think that's an "extreme right" source? No, you don't. You're just too cowardly to read it and think for yourself, because doing so would force you to admit that you're not as well informed as you claim. You can't even stay on topic because it doesn't fit your agenda. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You people can't find anything that isn't posted by an extreme-right source. I think you even get your weather there. Your viewpoint is so biased we can't even have simple conversations without your political bent. "You people"? Is that a dog whistle phrase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: "You people"? Is that a dog whistle phrase? If you're asking I think the answer is probably yes. In a city of mostly liberal & progressive people this board is overrun with extreme-rightists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: You can't even stay on topic because it doesn't fit your agenda. Watch out he's a secret agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: You can't even stay on topic because it doesn't fit your agenda. My agenda is showing the board that you are full of it. Because you are. And that you're an intellectual coward and lightweight who defines official government documents as "conspiracy theories/extreme-right" sources just so he can continue to live in his bubble. And I'm doing a bangup job of it so far. Thanks to your help and cowardice. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: If you're asking I think the answer is probably yes. In a city of mostly liberal & progressive people this board is overrun with extreme-rightists Keep your shirt on Bull. There are way fewer extremists than you think on either side of the aisle. It's all going to be OK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: If you're asking I think the answer is probably yes. In a city of mostly liberal & progressive people this board is overrun with extreme-rightists FYI -- I'm a Hollywood liberal. But again, don't let facts get in the way of your own dishonesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: FYI -- I'm a Hollywood liberal. But again, don't let facts get in the way of your own dishonesty. Mhmm. Keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Mhmm. Keep going. Try reading: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf ************************ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Keep your shirt on Bull. There are way fewer extremists than you think on either side of the aisle. It's all going to be OK. I think we've been pushed right as a society for so long that anyone that would normally identify as a moderate conservative (e.g. doesn't believe in Christian Sharia Law, or wild west capitalism) is probably a democrat these days. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: I think we've been pushed right as a society for so long that anyone that would normally identify as a moderate conservative (e.g. doesn't believe in Christian Sharia Law, or wild west capitalism) is probably a democrat these days. Facts wouldn't bear you out. If anything the Country has been steadily moving to the Left....drifting away from Christianity and Capitalism...virtually from its founding. But you can have your own version if it helps you sleep better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I think we've been pushed right as a society for so long that anyone that would normally identify as a moderate conservative (e.g. doesn't believe in Christian Sharia Law, or wild west capitalism) is probably a democrat these days. Pushed... RIGHT as a society?! Removing ALL doubt that you're informed, educated, or capable of analyzing reality in any meaningful way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Facts wouldn't bear you out. If anything the Country has been steadily moving to the Left....drifting away from Christianity and Capitalism...virtually from its founding. But you can have your own version if it helps you sleep better. As a populace we have, but as far as politicians are concerned, we haven't had a left of center president since Carter. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) YES! Hollywood pushes us right! Our entire media complex does nothing but push far right values day in and day out for decades! In a board littered with inane posts from simpletons like GarBoTibs, @BullBuchanan 's take might be the most inaccurate thing EVER written on this board. 7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I think we've been pushed right as a society for so long that anyone that would normally identify as a moderate conservative (e.g. doesn't believe in Christian Sharia Law, or wild west capitalism) is probably a democrat these days. 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: As a populace we have, but as far as politicians are concerned, we haven't had a left of center president since Carter. Edited April 9, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: As a populace we have, but as far as politicians are concerned, we haven't had a left of center president since Carter. And now we've officially jumped the shark! Thanks for playing. Good bye. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: As a populace we have, but as far as politicians are concerned, we haven't had a left of center president since Carter. Right on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: YES! Hollywood pushes us left! Our entire media complex does nothing but push far right values day in and day out for decades! In a board littered with inane posts from simpletons like GarBoTibs, @BullBuchanan 's take might be the most inaccurate thing EVER written on this board. Hollywood? More Deep State nonsense. The Media? What about all the nonstop extreme-right "news"/blogs you guys get your information from? The media has no political ideology besides money. They shovel whatever they have into whatever mouths are willing. Some people want an echo-chamber, and so there's a product for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I'm still rolling over that analysis Just now, BullBuchanan said: Hollywood? More Deep State nonsense. The Media? What about all the nonstop extreme-right "news"/blogs you guys get your information from? The media has no political ideology besides money. They shovel whatever they have into whatever mouths are willing. Some people want an echo-chamber, and so there's a product for that. Stop, you've embarrassed yourself MORE than enough for one day Tell us again how we've been "pushed to the right" as a society. That is blue ribbon level stupidity 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: I'm still rolling over that analysis I'm shocked you could understand it without a quote from Liz Wheeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: I'm shocked you could understand it without a quote from Liz Wheeler There's stupid. Then there's @BullBuchanan level stupid. Which is lower than all my comedic hopes for it combined 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I think we've been pushed right as a society for so long that anyone that would normally identify as a moderate conservative (e.g. doesn't believe in Christian Sharia Law, or wild west capitalism) is probably a democrat these days. 7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: As a populace we have, but as far as politicians are concerned, we haven't had a left of center president since Carter. It takes TALENT to be that wrong and keep a straight face. TALENT. (still rolling) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Took a while but this discussion is now a bully pulpit. Any chance we can revert back to Covid-19? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 ***************************** Some good news: Wonder how long before he talks about whatever treatment he received in terms of therapeutics.... 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: ***************************** Some good news: Very good news. Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Wonder how long before he talks about whatever treatment he received in terms of therapeutics.... I assume he got the best care possible and don’t see it as a political thing no matter what he got for treatment. Keep getting better Boris! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: I assume he got the best care possible and don’t see it as a political thing no matter what he got for treatment. Keep getting better Boris! If he used HCQ to get better that quickly, you better believe it'll become a major story. And it wouldn't be political. It would be exposing the media and their enablers for making HCQ political unnecessarily for weeks. They'd rather have the drug fail and people die just to dunk on Trump than for them to work. Trump didn't make them choose that path, they RACED to stake it out for themselves. (But @BullBuchanan claims the media doesn't have an agenda or bias -- after decades of evidence to the contrary ) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 This is a pretty cool tool that shows the projections of all of the 50 states, their peak points and estimated death per capita predictions. I think some of their states are off, but I suppose we'll soon find out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Says the guy still running from an honest conversation because he confuses (Obama era) FISC memos and gov't documents as being "conspiracy theories". Why? because @BullBuchanan is not only a coward, he's deeply propagandized to the point of actually thinking he's informed. When he's anything but. You calling someone out for conspiracy theories is ***** funny! ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: If you're asking I think the answer is probably yes. In a city of mostly liberal & progressive people this board is overrun with extreme-rightists The reason you think this board is overrun with extreme rightists has nothing to do with the number of extreme rightists and everything to do with the lack of extreme leftists. The reason for this is because what you perceive to be extreme rightists are actually a bunch of people who lean right, but who also employ logic and critical thinking, the two things that make extreme leftists melt like a witch and burn like a vampire. Leftists come and go here. Some stay to try to rile people up with words like "Trumptards" and some stay to earn money posting leftist talking points, like Tibs, but as a whole, extreme leftists stay away from this board because it holds a mirror up to their bankrupt ideology, and when they are confronted with lock and critical thinking...well.... 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: YES! Hollywood pushes us right! Our entire media complex does nothing but push far right values day in and day out for decades! In a board littered with inane posts from simpletons like GarBoTibs, @BullBuchanan 's take might be the most inaccurate thing EVER written on this board. Welllllllllllllllllll the question of why you engage has crossed my mind a time or seventy. What's the definition of insanity? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: people who lean right, but who also employ logic and critical thinking Those two things are mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Welllllllllllllllllll the question of why you engage has crossed my mind a time or seventy. What's the definition of insanity? A good point, of course. But I think it's long established that all writers are pretty nuts You know the history as well as I do 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 57 minutes ago, Magox said: Yes, pretty much. No country was truly prepared for this in the Northern Hemisphere. Germany comes closest and even their rate of deaths and infections per capita is not all that much better than the U.S If we are going to rely on facts and data, then the U.S was one of the best major countries to have coped with the Virus on a per capita basis. You can that right here. The deaths per Million population is the single best indicator on how a country is coping with the Virus. Also look at the TOTAL TESTS column. On a per capita basis, out of the major countries, the US is certainly faring well. And considering the U.S's size, it pushes that up further. Sorry, but those are the facts and if you believe that they should have had the system in place ready to go after how everything developed, then I just think you are being completely unreasonable about this. That measure for deaths is not really relevant unless every country is at a similar point along the curve. We'll see how the US fares eventually at the end of this. This type of pandemic has been discussed and prepared for going back to Bush Jr. The most recent "exercise" was Last October. We've gone over this, but the outcome is dependent on how quickly we acted, especially with the ability to test. That was a complete fiasco here. Deblasio, to a certain extent Cuomo, and the Federal Government were slow to act. Newsom was not. The US is more like handful of countries, not one contiguous one... Trump initially hoped it would just go away so his economy would not be harmed, and his media interactions showed this. Then, he finally figured out if he showed leadership that it would help him. Now you can't shut him up.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Those two things are mutually exclusive. (says the guy who refuses to read a government document created during the Obama administration because it's "extreme-right", and believes our society is being pushed to the RIGHT by our cornerstone institutions) Maybe sit out any conversations about logic or critical thinking, Bull. You're clearly tuurrrrrrible at both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Those two things are mutually exclusive. C'mon, bro..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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