The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

China closed all of its movie theaters but then continued to claim the virus couldn't be passed from humans to humans. A large part of the reason South Korea (IMO) got a jump on things is because they have a very healthy degree of skepticism regarding China's veracity. They would have known much earlier that China was flat out lying.

 

Wonder what kind of information about the crisis could've been had using humint in China?  Would've been helpful.

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Considering the history between China and Korean, can you blame ROK for not taking China at their word?

Not at all.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

All you're doing now is proving that your brain is addled with a toxic mixture of unchecked TDS and identity politics. Citing Wikipedia as any kind of source -- especially on this topic -- is not an argument a serious person makes. 

 

Just like a serious person doesn't argue that there is any realistic comparison to the US and South Korean. 

 

Just like a serious person doesn't argue that there is any realistic analysis you can draw by comparing Medieval Europe and Asia to the 21st century global economy. 

 

... But, as you just proved all morning, you are not a serious person. You're a broken person. 

 

By all means, feel free to contest any of the above examples.  They are all common knowledge.  It's not like we're writing a scholarly journal entry on this forum.  Unless you think none of those things actually happened just because I used the wrong link.

 

So far, all you've been able to do is name call and label.  I wonder if that will change.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

So far, all you've been able to do is name call and label.  I wonder if that will change.

 

I'll prove how poor your analysis is and how weak a position you've staked out for yourself, @Capco: 

 

Prove to me that Trump's decision to close off flights from China to combat the virus was driven by his racism. Show me the evidence -- not that he's racist, but that the decision he made was. And do it without using or regurgitating any CCP propaganda... Can you? 

 

No. You can't.

 

All you have is your supposition that it was done because he's racist. Which, you have every right to believe -- and we have every right to point out how dumb a position it is to hold. 

 

Your brain is broken, Capco. You don't need to prove that anymore. You can rest easy knowing that everyone believes in it.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

If so, this will be an "interesting" presser today:
 

 

[Capco]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

All you have is your supposition that it was done because he's racist. 

 

Correct.  And I have loads of prior behavior to point to that supports my position. 

 

And all you have is your supposition that it was done because he's a very capable president, making decisions where his noted xenophobia never plays a factor (lol)... with practically nothing to support that point of view.  

 

At least I can make my case without labeling someone else with a broken brain.  

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Correct.  And I have loads of prior behavior to point to that supports my position. 

 

And all you have is your supposition that it was done because he's a very capable president, making decisions where his noted xenophobia never plays a factor (lol)... with practically nothing to support that point of view.  

 

At least I can make my case without labeling someone else with a broken brain.  

 

You haven't made ANY case. All you've done is expose your own mental shortcomings for the world to see. 

 

Per the bolded, that's nothing I ever said in this discussion. But, because you know you have no real argument to make other than one about your FEELZ, you have to invent what I said in order to argue against it.

 

That's the move a broken man with an honesty problem does. 

 

Identity politics is more dangerous than 'Rona. One day you'll figure that out.

[billsfan1959]

42 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Here's a wiki article with over 320(!) citations making the case for Trump being a racist.  Just from the summary (lol) we have:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

 

 

The evidence is nothing short of overwhelming.  And you've provided zero evidence to the contrary.  Yet somehow I'm the one who is proven to not be operating with a fully functional brain.  

 

You have a special, rare kind of logic.  I'll bet you think it's a gift, too.  

 

Links are to articles of people expressing their opinion that Trump is a racist or interpreting his words /actions as racist? What a joke. Seriously

 

" And you've provided zero evidence to the contrary." - Such a good little liberal. Label someone a racist unless they can prove they are not

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

 

I'm allowed to think he's a racist without discrediting everything else I say.  

 

What you said was he banned travel BECAUSE he is a racist.

 

 

You can't just change the conversation because you puked up stupidity an hour ago.

 

Seriously. Do yourself a favor. TH3 is here with his weekly contribution of NPC puke. Give him the reigns for a bit and take a nap.

[Capco]

3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

What you said was he banned travel BECAUSE he is a racist.

 

 

You can't just change the conversation because you puked up stupidity an hour ago.

 

Pardon?  I'm not changing anything.  I said I think he had "petty and/or racist" motives for the travel ban.  I did not say the travel ban was exclusively racist at any point in time.  And I stand by my statement.  

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Links are to articles of people expressing their opinion that Trump is a racist or interpreting his words /actions as racist? What a joke. Seriously

 

" And you've provided zero evidence to the contrary." - Such a good little liberal. Label someone a racist unless they can prove they are not

 

None of those examples screams "hmmm we might have some racist undertones here" to you?  Not a single one?  

 

It takes some unique talent to get your head that far in the sand.  

[keepthefaith]

55 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Here's a wiki article with over 320(!) citations making the case for Trump being a racist.  Just from the summary (lol) we have:

-Sued by DoJ for housing discrimination, 1973/78

-leading proponent of bitherism conspiracy

-vilification of the wrongly accused Central Park 5

-speech about Mexicans being criminals and rapists

-repeatedly linked African Americans and Hispanics with violent crime

-implied a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them at Charlottesville

-referred to El Salvador, Haiti, and African countries as "sh|tholes"

- Trump tweeted about Democratic congresswomen: "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done."  This Go back to your country mentality is a common racial trope.  

 

 

Several studies and surveys have stated that racist attitudes and racial resentment have fueled Trump's political ascendance, and have become more significant than economic factors in determining the party allegiance of U.S. voters.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

 

 

The evidence is nothing short of overwhelming.  And you've provided zero evidence to the contrary.  Yet somehow I'm the one who is proven to not be operating with a fully functional brain.  

 

You have a special, rare kind of logic.  I'll bet you think it's a gift, too.  

 

I look forward to reading more at your link and commenting further but most of the "examples" in your post aren't racist acts or comments whatsoever. 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I look forward to reading more at your link and commenting further but most of the "examples" in your post aren't racist acts or comments whatsoever. 

And a large chunk of those examples just aren’t true and have long ago been disproven. Like the “he implied a moral equivalence” in Charlottesville — something that was disproven years ago but he still cites as fact. 
 

Broken brain.    

[Warren Zevon]

4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I look forward to reading more at your link and commenting further but most of the "examples" in your post aren't racist acts or comments whatsoever. 

 

What ones fall outside your definition of "most"? Be careful - you might be honest and call #OrangeManBad a racist. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Probably the most unlikeliest result of COVID-19


 

 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Probably the most unlikeliest result of COVID-19


 

 

 

Mouth ---> glasses --> hand --> whatever is next

[billsfan1959]

10 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Pardon?  I'm not changing anything.  I said I think he had "petty and/or racist" motives for the travel ban.  I did not say the travel ban was exclusively racist at any point in time.  And I stand by my statement.  

 

None of those examples screams "hmmm we might have some racist undertones here" to you?  Not a single one?  

 

It takes some unique talent to get your head that far in the sand.  

 

You are ridiculous

 

 

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I look forward to reading more at your link and commenting further but most of the "examples" in your post aren't racist acts or comments whatsoever. 

 

At least this is an honest answer I can work with.  Thank you.  

 

I genuinely don't understand how you can see that pattern of behavior and not have some alarm bells going off.  And it's not like this is a novel, radical concept.  Many people have seen this same pattern of behavior and independently came to this conclusion. 

 

His behavior has at times been downright appalling when considering the level of decorum expected of the POTUS, both nationally and internationally.  

[B-Man]

 

Unfortunately.................there is NO chance.

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

His behavior has at times been downright appalling when considering the level of decorum expected of the POTUS, both nationally and internationally.  

 

and how dare you call him out on it

 

But it's cool to have 100+ page threads bashing CNN/Clintons/Obamas/Pelosi/etc. These things are tolerated and celebrated

Edited April 2, 2020 by Gary Busey

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

At least this is an honest answer I can work with.  Thank you.  

 

I genuinely don't understand how you can see that pattern of behavior and not have some alarm bells going off.  And it's not like this is a novel, radical concept.  Many people have seen this same pattern of behavior and independently came to this conclusion. 

 

His behavior has at times been downright appalling when considering the level of decorum expected of the POTUS, both nationally and internationally.  

False.
 

You didn’t independently come to this conclusion. It was drip fed into your addled brain by a combative and controlled media complex who has spent the last four years trying to destroy the man (after they got rich creating him of course). 
 

You’re basing your analysis entirely on emotion. Not logic. That’s why they own you. And that’s why you’re making a giant ass out of yourself today. 

Edited April 2, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[Warren Zevon]

[TH3]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Did you bring any fish tank cleaner with you today? 

The sad part is - I find it easy to believe you are trying to leverage the unfortunate death of someone into a sick burn...

 

If you tards are trying to say the "Washington Times" as worth quoting....whelp that says it all 

 

Did you look at the Germany and US graphs? (No because it is actual numbers)

 

Maybe you can use all the extra deaths and financial carnage that we will experience compared to a country with an actual executive as more comedy fodder! 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, TH3 said:

The sad part is - I find it easy to believe you are trying to leverage the unfortunate death of someone into a sick burn...

 

You LITERALLY did what you're projecting. You came on here touting this death as proof Trump's advice was killing people. Of course, it was a fake story that duped you (because you're REAL dumb), but that doesn't change the fact you LITERALLY wanted to leverage the death to dunk on Trump. 

 

Hypocritical projection. That's all you have left, TH3. Trump beat you. 

[meazza]

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-experts-craft-strategies-to-relax-lockdowns/

 

Earlier this month Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar called contact tracing “the basic blocking and tackling” to contain an epidemic. Infectious disease experts have never thought contact tracing could work for respiratory diseases (it isn’t done for flu): It takes so long and these infections move so fast. But in 2020, there’s an app for that.

One called Private Kit: Safe Paths, developed by scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, would upload data to a privacy-protected site on cases and where they had been. Users who had been in close contact with that person would get a notification and could then isolate themselves for two weeks, slowing viral spread from people without symptoms. In contrast, simply interviewing a single case and identifying that person’s contacts takes an average of 12 hours, said MIT’s Francesco Benedetti. Worse, people can’t remember exactly where they were, let alone what strangers they brushed against or breathed on, two weeks ago.

But the near-instantaneous contact tracing made possible by technology “is one of the most important steps we can take, the infectious disease specialists we worked with tell us,” Benedetti said. “This addresses the need for speed.” The technology should be ready for nationwide use “soon,” he said.

It mimics what Singapore was able to accomplish: banning mass gatherings, yes, but not closing schools, and — crucially — interviewing patients and using security camera footage to identify those they encountered and order them into home quarantine. That severed numerous transmission chains.

In Israel, researchers are testing a similar tool to identify and predict virus hot zones. A smartphone-based questionnaire asks people their age, gender, and location as well as whether they have such Covid-19 symptoms as cough, fatigue, shortness of breath, and diarrhea. Some 320,000 Israelis have filled it out, revealing a significant increase in reported symptoms in places where known patients passed through, said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of Science — an indication that the survey can augment laborious contact tracing by health workers. Israel’s case count reached 2,170 cases on Wednesday.

[Hedge]

 

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

On 4/1/2020 at 10:27 AM, Foxx said:

thread.

https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/1244975396619198465

 

The Navy is firing the captain. Gross. 

 

 

No evidence he leaked anything.

[Gary M]

https://www.navytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/02/just-18-patients-combined-were-sent-to-the-usns-mercy-comfort-this-week/

 

18 patients combined

[Buffalo_Gal]

Trump's bags have bags.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

***** 'em.

[Buffalo_Gal]

If I understood what Carranza said, this SBA loan can be forgiven for payroll. So, why not take it out, and have your payroll paid for through the bill?

Mnuchin said the money is available tomorrow. 500 or fewer people employers contact your lender, you get the money the same day. Please bring your workers back if you  let them go...

Economic impact payments will be direct deposited within 2 weeks. There will be a web portal for you to add your direct deposit information if the government does not have it.

Employee retention credit is up to $5K per person.

Edited April 2, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/490769-actress-ali-wentworth-wife-of-abcs-george-stephanopoulos-tests-positive-for

[Buffalo_Gal]

Go to:

FDA.gov

SBA.gov

Banks will be making 5% on 90 days on this money.
 

These reporters... Mnuchin isn't putting up with their stupid. (And he just smacked the Obama administration.)

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

He wants the restaurants (smaller) to keep their employees on the payroll as these loans turn into grants.  He said 50% of the American is small businesses (under 500 people).

He = Mnuchin

Independent contractors and sole proprietors are covered. This will not be available until next week as they have to go into (bank? I missed the word) with paperwork.

Trump: New guidelines for nursing homes (no non-medical people allowed in), and recommended that the same people are looked over by the same staff.

Edited April 2, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

34 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Trump on the new test (the 15 minute one) is very easy (that was the one he took this morning with the second negative result).
 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

 

*********************

 

 It was a good line.

[Deranged Rhino]

Kushner just looks like a little boy who woke up one morning in a (very thin) grown man's body. 

[Scraps]

3 hours ago, shoshin said:

But in fairness to Trump, I don't think another politician in America would have done much better. He responded at about the same rate as everyone in America. The "lost month" people talk about is real, but it is a mistake most of America was making. If you showed me how hundreds of politicians were calling for dramatic action on Feb. 1, you could make a point that Trump had a huge failure of leadership but very few people in America were beating that drum. 

Oh I'm not so sure about that.  Trump is about Trump.  During the 2014 Ebola epidemic, he and the right wing media politicized the epidemic.  They went full tilt stoking fear, making false claims and then miraculously, the day after the mid-term elections, stopped all coverage of the epidemic.

 

As president, Trump has far more information at his disposal than any other politician.  He received intelligence briefings in January warning of the pandemic.  He has the CDC and NIH reporting to him.  He formed a corona virus task force.  On February 5, the head of the HHS asked for $2 billion to buy respirator masks and other supplies for the reserve stockpile and what did his administration do?  They cut it to $500 million.

 

South Korea and the US got their first cases on the same day.  South Korea was aggressive in fighting it.  Trump talked it down, repeatedly making false claims that it was under control and would all go away.  He called it a hoax.

 

If most of America was making the same mistake as Trump, a lot of that is because of the Trump - Fox News echo chamber.  He talked it down, called it fake news and a hoax and Fox News followed.  For a good part of the population who gets their news from that propaganda organization, what would you expect them to believe.  Trump led them to complacency.

 

Even when it became obvious that there was a problem and a supplemental bill was needed to fund the fight, he low balled the estimate of what it would take asking for $2.5 billion.  Republicans in the Senate thought over $6 billion and Democrats in the House over $8 billion.  Both the Senate and House were wrong but at least they based their estimates on past epidemics and pandemics.  Not sure how Trump came up with his wildly low number.

 

It was just last week that Trump was talking about seeing light at the end of the tunnel, easing the restriction by Easter and hoping the church pews would be packed.  This would have been akin to Roosevelt declaring victory over Japan in WW II before Corregidor fell.