The fair catch, that wasn't.

[DCOrange]

16 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Another Rule also says all scoring plays have to be video reviewed.  It was ruled a scoring play on the field.  they changed that rule too. 

That's why the backup refs ran on the field. They got the ref to change the call on the field so that it didn't need to be reviewed.

[Real McClappy]

35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

@dave mcbride-"Touchdown!"

The "Intent" was there so we will give it to him. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, DCOrange said:

That's why the backup refs ran on the field. They got the ref to change the call on the field so that it didn't need to be reviewed.

You literally cannot change the call on the field without video review. That's the point.

[DCOrange]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

You literally cannot change the call on the field without video review. That's the point.

They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag in their eyes. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review.

Edited January 6, 2020 by DCOrange

[reddogblitz]

Just now, DCOrange said:

They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review.

 

Has anyone ever seen a scoring play reversed without video review since the rule was put in place?  If so, when and where.

[Mojo44]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

You literally cannot change the call on the field without video review. That's the point.

Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call.

[GoBills808]

Just now, DCOrange said:

They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag in their eyes. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review.

Would love to see even one other time. 

1 minute ago, Mojo44 said:

Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call.

I have never, ever seen a scoring play overturned by the men in black and without video replay. If this happens all the time I have yet to see it. 

 

Would love any evidence to the contrary

[DCOrange]

3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Has anyone ever seen a scoring play reversed without video review since the rule was put in place?  If so, when and where.

It's hard to give specifics on this because it's never been a big deal before. But for example, I'm sure you've probably seen instances where a runner is down near the goal line and one ref signals TD while the other signals that he was short. Then they have a huddle together before ultimately making their call. And then if that call is a touchdown, they review it.

 

In this case, they huddled up and decided that their call was a touchback (which was wrong) and therefore, no review. It sucks because we literally saw the one official initially rule a TD and then another ref initially call a penalty, but after their huddle (with the backup refs), they ultimately decided on a touchback and no review.

 

The only part that hasn't been done before is having the backup refs run onto the field to interrupt them and I suspect they did that because they knew if it was called a TD on the field, they couldn't overturn it since there was no rule to support overturning it.

Edited January 6, 2020 by DCOrange

[Bermuda Triangle]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

 

 

You seem to really want to litigate this and win on some sort of technicality,

 

"Some sort of technicality" = NFL Rule Book.

 

If it's going to be ignored, or set aside, for "common sense"  ( "NFL officials" and "common sense" are an oxymoron), then why have a Rule Book at all?

[Buffalo Boy]

8 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call.

So, eff the rules?????

 

[T&C]

2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

 

"Some sort of technicality" = NFL Rule Book.

 

If it's going to be ignored, or set aside, for "common sense"  ( "NFL officials" and "common sense" are an oxymoron), then why have a Rule Book at all?

Imagine a game of chess, which football basically is, where any piece can move like the queen.

[Jauronimo]

10 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call.

Picking up a flag is a far cry from overturning a scoring play.  With a scoring play there's no reason to even have a conference because all scores are AUTOMATICALLY REVIEWED!!!!

[BuffaloRebound]

The arguments if you can call them that for over-ruling the ref on the field are incredibly weak.  Common sense and the player didn’t mean to do that about sums it up.  

[reddogblitz]

12 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

Yes you can. It’s done all the time. Every time you see an official picking up a flag that he threw after consultation with the other officials is an example of this. It’s painful. But it was the right call.

 

On a scoring play?  Picking up a flag on PI or something is OK, but that is reviewable anyway.  Or holding. But this was a SCORING PLAY. They are ALL to be reviewed.

 

How was it the right call?

 

Look, I'm not crying over this because we lost.  We should have won anyway.

 

But the NFL violated 2 of it's rules on that one play.  Dude didn't give himself up and they didn't review it.  That's what grates me.

 

I already think the NFL queers it's calls to help certain teams at times. I don't think the whole thing is rigged, but things like this really make me wonder.

 

I swore off the NBA years ago due this kind of nonsense. Seems to be getting worse in the NFL.

[mannc]

18 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

They do this literally all the time. It's no different from picking up a flag in their eyes. They had a conference and then ultimately decided the call on the field was a touchback, not a scoring play. Therefore, no review.

I think this is true, but it still doesn’t excuse reversing an initial call on the field that was correct.  

[Bermuda Triangle]

23 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

It's hard to give specifics on this because it's never been a big deal before. But for example, I'm sure you've probably seen instances where a runner is down near the goal line and one ref signals TD while the other signals that he was short. Then they have a huddle together before ultimately making their call. And then if that call is a touchdown, they review it.

 

 

In this case, there were no on-field refs who signaled a touchback.  The ONLY on-field signal was a TD.  And then there mysterious Members Only refs come running off the sidelines, and the call is changed.

[DCOrange]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

I think this is true, but it still doesn’t excuse reversing an initial call on the field that was correct.  

100% agreed. They obviously screwed up the ruling at the end of the day. I'm only trying to point out that they purposefully made sure that the official call on the field was a touchback because had they come out of that huddle and called it a touchdown, there's no way it would have been overturned.

Edited January 6, 2020 by DCOrange

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

In this case, there were no on-field refs who signaled a touchback.  The ONLY on-field signal was a TD.  And then there mysterious Members Only refs come running off the sidelines, and the call is changed.

Happens all the time

[DCOrange]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

In this case, there were no on-field refs who signaled a touchback.  The ONLY on-field signal was a TD.  And then there mysterious Members Only refs come running off the sidelines, and the call is changed.

They were already huddling up before the backups came on the field, which means they wanted to discuss it before they made an official ruling.

[KOKBILLS]

31 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Has anyone ever seen a scoring play reversed without video review since the rule was put in place?  If so, when and where.

 

 

Exactly...That's the rule...SCORING play...It was a scoring play...By rule there is only one way it can be reversed and that is by replay...

 

Folks can say what they want about the spirit of the blah, blah, blah...They truth is there are a million different ways for NFL players to make boneheaded mistakes that cost their team TD's...This was one of the million...The difference in this one is they quite literally threw away the rule book in MULTIPLE ways to make a feel good (for the Texans) call...

 

Did it cost the Bills the game? Nope...Was it the wrong call...Absolutely, by the rule book it was...And the time for "common sense" to prevail was not last Saturday...It was this coming year at the Owners meetings...Period..End of story...?

Edited January 6, 2020 by KOKBILLS