Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Bills offense scored 14, 9 (Left at the end of the 3rd down 14-9 to Miami with injury), 13, and 6. Let's hear why it wasn't his fault. Maybe it was Josh Allen's fault? Yeah he had a hundred on 12 targets vs the Jets, but with Barkley. He caught 50% of his targets, not good. I'll hang up and listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills offense scored 14, 9 (Left at the end of the 3rd down 14-9 to Miami with injury), 13, and 6. Let's hear why it wasn't his fault. Maybe it was Josh Allen's fault? Yeah he had a hundred on 12 targets vs the Jets, but with Barkley. He caught 50% of his targets, not good. I'll hang up and listen. Put it in English that makes sense and I’ll give it a shot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Put it in English that makes sense and I’ll give it a shot Read slowly. Bills offense was bad when Duke Williams gets a significant amount of snaps. How do you explain this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Read slowly. Bills offense was bad when Duke Williams gets a significant amount of snaps. How do you explain this? Bills offense was bad in general many games. Williams played very few games and the last one didn't count as they were backups versus starters. The sample size is nowhere near big enough to jump to the conclusion you did. If you were a researcher presenting this topic for peer review you would be getting laughed out of the building. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Bills offense was bad in general many games. Williams played very few games and the last one didn't count as they were backups versus starters. The sample size is nowhere near big enough to jump to the conclusion you did. If you were a researcher presenting this topic for peer review you would be getting laughed out of the building. Offense has been worse with him. Coaches took him off the active roster. People are trying to say he should go from deactivated to a major part of the offense. I think we both get laughed out of building. One thing I've learned about message boards is when there is no counter argument people turn on thread starter. Edited January 1, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 41 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills offense scored 14, 9 (Left at the end of the 3rd down 14-9 to Miami with injury), 13, and 6. Let's hear why it wasn't his fault. Maybe it was Josh Allen's fault? Yeah he had a hundred on 12 targets vs the Jets, but with Barkley. He caught 50% of his targets, not good. I'll hang up and listen. This post didn't make any sense to me until I saw that you listed your location, under your avatar, as "Elementary School". Now I understand... 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: This post didn't make any sense to me until I saw that you listed your location, under your avatar, as "Elementary School". Now I understand... Why doesn’t it make sense? I've got one guy saying the sample size is too small, but probably wants to start the guy in the 1st round of the playoffs. That doesn't make sense. Edited January 1, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Bills offense was bad in general many games. Williams played very few games and the last one didn't count as they were backups versus starters. The sample size is nowhere near big enough to jump to the conclusion you did. If you were a researcher presenting this topic for peer review you would be getting laughed out of the building. This. But I also don’t think he’s on the field Sunday. They’ll go with what got them to the dance. If I were Duke I’d figure out how to play special teams. Edited January 1, 2020 by oldmanfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: This. Yet the sample size is big enough to start him in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Offense has been worse with him. Coaches took him off the active roster. People are trying to say he should go from deactivated to a major part of the offense. I think we both get laughed out of building. One thing I've learned about message boards is when there is no counter argument people turn on thread starter. Literally his counter argument was he has played in very few games and the last one should be nullified because it was backups vs starters. And people generally turn on the thread starter when the thread starter makes overly generalized proclamations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said: Literally his counter argument was he has played in very few games and the last one should be nullified because it was backups vs starters. And people generally turn on the thread starter when the thread starter makes overly generalized proclamations. Think about what you're saying carefully. Why should Duke Williams start opposite John Brown in the 1st round of the playoffs then? People took the bait. Edited January 1, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Sometime ya just can’t rinse the willful ignorance out... Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yet the sample size is big enough to start him in the playoffs? I just said he won’t start. Reading is fundamental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why doesn’t it make sense? I've got one guy saying the sample size is too small, but probably wants to start the guy in the 1st round of the playoffs. That doesn't make sense. Because it is a ridiculous premise. You simply listed the points scored for the games Williams played in and then stated he is the reason the offense didn't score more points - with no supporting facts - and then told the rest of us to prove why it wasn't... ....when you made no attempt to prove why it was. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: I just said he won’t start. Reading is fundamental. So why activate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: So why activate him? For the last game? Because they sat two of their starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Because it is a ridiculous premise. You simply listed the points scored for the games Williams played in and then stated he is the reason the offense didn't score more points - with no supporting facts - and then told the rest of us to prove why it wasn't... ....when you made no attempt to prove why it was. The question is why should he play Saturday? Just to try something different? It's not because Josh Allen is better with him on the field. Just now, oldmanfan said: For the last game? Because they sat two of their starters. For the playoffs. Edited January 1, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The question is why should he play Saturday? Just to try something different? It's not because Josh Allen is better with him on the field. For the playoffs. You don’t know if he’ll be on the active roster Saturday. When you have too small a sample size you can’t prove something either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yet the sample size is big enough to start him in the playoffs? I don't think people are saying to start him in the playoffs but people would like him to play. I don't think our offensive struggles have had anything to do with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The question is why should he play Saturday? Just to try something different? It's not because Josh Allen is better with him on the field. For the playoffs. I don't care if he starts or not. I trust the coaching staff to make the right decisions. My point was this: If you are going to start a thread stating that Williams was the reason for the lack of offensive points, then at least attempt to give some supporting reasons why. Especially if you then challenge everyone to prove you wrong - when you have done nothing to prove yourself right.. Edited January 1, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: You don’t know if he’ll be on the active roster Saturday. Do you think he should play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Do you think he should play? I’m ambivalent. I think he’d offer more than Foster on offense; Foster offers more on special teams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I don't care if he starts or not. I trust the coaching staff to make the right decisions. My point was this: If you are going to start a thread stating that Williams was the reason for the lack of offensive points, then at least attempt to give some supporting reasons why. Especially if you then challenge everyone to prove you wrong. It could be many reasons why the offense couldn't score and struggled to move the ball when Duke Williams played a significant amount of snaps. I never said it was his fault. I said the offense struggled with him. I'm pretty sure most people that want him to play believe he will help improve the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: So why activate him? Why activate Robert Foster? Or Isaiah McKenzie? They aren't starters either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: I’m ambivalent. I think he’d offer more than Foster on offense; Foster offers more on special teams. Foster doesn't get on the field a whole lot on offense. You mean Mckenzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 The Bills offense has been bad because: 1. Allen who only started 2 yrs at Wyoming (2016-17) and is in his 2nd yr as a Bill is still learning the pro game. 2. Beyond Brown and Beasley none of the other WR have distinguished themselves. Foster seemingly has regressed from last year. 3. While Knox seems to have a lot of natural talent he is still a rookie and like most rookies at this stage of his 1st season is probably worn out. Rookies are not used to playing this many games while in college. 4. Singletary, a rookie like Knox is probably also starting to feel a bit tired though he was out several games early on in the season which may have helped somewhat. RB's though take a lot more abuse than big body TE's absorb. 5. Gore is essentially a between the tackles RB and is not young anymore. He's gotta be getting tired as well. 6. Hauschka hasn't had a great season either. Is he over his accuracy troubles? Time will tell. Still let's remember the Bills are in the playoffs for the 2nd time in the last 3 seasons. They have a topnotch Defense and stand a decent chance of beating Houston and advancing in the playoffs. It's helped that they haven't had a ton of serious injuries this season. This team needs another good draft class that will hopefully provide among other things a young top notch WR who can stretch out opposing defenses and give Allen another reliable target. Stay tuned... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It could be many reasons why the offense couldn't score and struggled to move the ball when Duke Williams played a significant amount of snaps. I never said it was his fault. I said the offense struggled with him. I'm pretty sure most people that want him to play believe he will help improve the passing game. You literally said, "Bills offense scored 14, 9 (Left at the end of the 3rd down 14-9 to Miami with injury), 13, and 6. Let's hear why it wasn't his fault." Let me try this: Maybe it would have been better if you started a thread just simply asking people to give a reason, based on Williams' play, as to why they think he should play against Houston? Or maybe you could have asked that question in the other Duke Williams threads that exist? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Of all the receivers, only McKenzie has a better % of per attempt completions. He is tied with Beasely. I think if you put him in Beasely’s roll he has better numbers. I don’t think DW is the answer but seeing him, Yeldon out of the backfield and Sweeney or Croft over Knox( 10 drops!!!) makes sense if the goal is to complete passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Foster doesn't get on the field a whole lot on offense. You mean Mckenzie? No I mean Foster. You’d have to sit him or Mckenzie for Williams. McKensie does more than Foster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: No I mean Foster. You’d have to sit him or Mckenzie for Williams. McKensie does more than Foster. Foster has proved effectively useless this year. As an aside, when he does get the ball he wusses out right at the point of contact. I swear McKenzie’s only purpose is the Jet sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It could be many reasons why the offense couldn't score and struggled to move the ball when Duke Williams played a significant amount of snaps. I never said it was his fault. I said the offense struggled with him. I'm pretty sure most people that want him to play believe he will help improve the passing game. Weasel words to avoid shouldering the burden of proof. Already admitted to this thread just being "bait". He knows he can rustle some jimmies just by just by invoking Duke's name and vaguely implying he's bad, then suckering people into circular arguments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Why activate Robert Foster? Or Isaiah McKenzie? They aren't starters either We know why Foster plays. Mckenzie is the guy in question. It's a pretty big difference playing Williams vs Mckenzie. Foster is mainly there for a couple deep shots a game. Mckenzie is kind of a gadget player. Williams is a more traditional X WR but I don't know if he's good enough for that role. Should the Bills change what they've been doing to give Duke Williams the opportunity to prove himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We know why Foster plays. Mckenzie is the guy in question. It's a pretty big difference playing Williams vs Mckenzie. Foster is mainly there for a couple deep shots a game. Mckenzie is kind of a gadget player. Williams is a more traditional X WR but I don't know if he's good enough for that role. Should the Bills change what they've been doing to give Duke Williams the opportunity to prove himself? I have no problem with playing Duke Williams. I'm not talking about starting him but playing him, yes. Foster has done nothing and we activate him every week. Duke has at least caught a game winning touchdown this season. I mean, our offense hasn't scored more than 17 points 3 straight games before he played on Sunday. How is that any different? The offense isn't worse because he plays Edited January 1, 2020 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills offense scored 14, 9 (Left at the end of the 3rd down 14-9 to Miami with injury), 13, and 6. Let's hear why it wasn't his fault. Maybe it was Josh Allen's fault? Yeah he had a hundred on 12 targets vs the Jets, but with Barkley. He caught 50% of his targets, not good. I'll hang up and listen. You have made 11 subsequent posts just to bait people into arguments since "hanging up to listen". Clearly just a troll. Almost half of the posts in this thread are you just baiting people to respond to your undefined ramblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Read slowly. Bills offense was bad when Duke Williams gets a significant amount of snaps. How do you explain this? As opposed to being a unstoppable juggernaut when he's not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: You have made 11 subsequent posts just to bait people into arguments since "hanging up to listen". Clearly just a troll. Almost half of the posts in this thread are you just baiting people to respond to your undefined ramblings. Maybe. It's really something no one can answer with any type of confidence. So maybe it was a troll thread. Most people are focused on Foster when talking about Williams so I just wanted to get everyone's attention. Mckenzie has started 8 out of the last 10 games. So if Williams is activated it's likely he'll start opposite Brown. He's not going to be activated to play Foster's role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't care if he starts or not. I trust the coaching staff to make the right decisions. My point was this: If you are going to start a thread stating that Williams was the reason for the lack of offensive points, then at least attempt to give some supporting reasons why. Especially if you then challenge everyone to prove you wrong - when you have done nothing to prove yourself right.. Classic strawman argument where OP tells you to prove something that cannot be proved due to circumstances out of your control then uses the fact you can't to bolster his argument. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampton Josh fan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 The guy hardly played in his rookie year in the NFL. How was the production of Foster and McKenzie in the games he was inactive?What is your problem with a guy that is over 6ft with good high point receiving skills? He got over a hundred yards against a defense that has been good the second half of the year. Some of you one dimensional personnel gurus get a negative bent on a player and you look to bury the guy. Duke is a highly motivated, talented player. Let him play on the big stage and he'll make us proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills offense scored 14, 9 (Left at the end of the 3rd down 14-9 to Miami with injury), 13, and 6. Let's hear why it wasn't his fault. Maybe it was Josh Allen's fault? Yeah he had a hundred on 12 targets vs the Jets, but with Barkley. He caught 50% of his targets, not good. I'll hang up and listen. So you are blaming the lack of scoring in certain games on a seldom used WR, Really! You can't make this stuff up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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