ColoradoBills Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Fingon said: Yes, which is why the Bills are listed as having around $200 million in 2021 cap space. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2021/ ....LOL and the Colts have a quarter billion. Looking forward to "cap space" 2 years from now means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: You are too kind. It makes NO difference at all. this I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Add to this that we have now become a “cool” destination for free agents so we won’t drastically have to overpay for free agents like in the past and it should set ourselves up nicely for the draft Cool in what way? I mean, it's cool to us homers on TBD but I seriously doubt living in Buffalo and paying NYS taxes has become cool just because the Bills are a wild card team two out of three years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: Cool in what way? I mean, it's cool to us homers on TBD but I seriously doubt living in Buffalo and paying NYS taxes has become cool just because the Bills are a wild card team two out of three years. Mitch Morse pretty much signed here cause of Josh Allen add to that the years that John Brown and Cole Beasley are having players around the league players can see what we’ve built here and see we aren’t just a 1 year Jacksonville Jaguars deal it does help a lot when dollars are pretty much equal for a particular player...as for the taxes hey you can rent an apartment here and buy a home in the south ?♂️ Edited December 29, 2019 by 78thealltimegreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, LB48 said: Just a simple question: Why couldn't our other recent GM's do this? Because of our other recent owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Mitch Morse pretty much signed here cause of Josh Allen add to that the years that John Brown and Cole Beasley are having players around the league players can see what we’ve built here and see we aren’t just a 1 year Jacksonville Jaguars deal it does help a lot when dollars are pretty much equal for a particular player...as for the taxes hey you can rent an apartment here and buy a home in the south ?♂️ The Bills made Morse the highest paid Center in football. But you think the reason he signed with the Bills was that he'd rather play with Josh Allen vs. Patrick Mahomes? Alrighty then! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Quote but I seriously doubt living in Buffalo and paying NYS taxes You pay based upon where the $ is earned, ie Bills only pay 1/2 (actually, I think it's 9/17ths) of their income as NYS income tax. Also, many States have "entertainer taxes" (I assume NYS being one of them), so although NYS is very highly taxed relative to other destinations, it's not as disadvantageous as one might think. Further, on "a few million", the extra taxes "only" amount to "a few hundred thousand"; there are other, often more important factors when considering employment situations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 15 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: ....LOL and the Colts have a quarter billion. Looking forward to "cap space" 2 years from now means nothing. Sure it does, because it shows the liabilities you have on your books. If the Bills spend all $90 million next year they'll still have over $100 million in 2021 to spend. It gives them a ton of freedom this offseason knowing that they'll still have more than enough to sign their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 15 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Mitch Morse pretty much signed here cause of Josh Allen add to that the years that John Brown and Cole Beasley are having players around the league players can see what we’ve built here and see we aren’t just a 1 year Jacksonville Jaguars deal it does help a lot when dollars are pretty much equal for a particular player...as for the taxes hey you can rent an apartment here and buy a home in the south ?♂️ Yeah but you still have to pay the state income taxes in NY for all wages earned in the state of NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 16 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: We are continuing to reap the fruits of eating all that dead $$ up front in 2018 instead of trying to spread it out and continue FO mediocrity from previous regimes—we already cashed in some of those dividends this year with great results... taking less and spreading it would’ve just let us roll over even more to today if we didn’t spend the freed up cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Teams CAN roll it over. They are not obligated to. The pegulas will roll it over. 20 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Why would you not rollover? For the owner. It goes right into his pocket. That’s why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, Fingon said: Sure it does, because it shows the liabilities you have on your books. If the Bills spend all $90 million next year they'll still have over $100 million in 2021 to spend. It gives them a ton of freedom this offseason knowing that they'll still have more than enough to sign their own. If the 90 million were one year contracts. My point is more along the lines of this example. If White signs for 15 million per year it equates to 30 million off the 200 million number for 2021. All I am saying is the 2021 cap is a long way away and a lot can change that number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 From the current roster there are 16 players that are signed for next year, so the roll over money will be needed to "fill" the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: You are too kind. It makes NO difference at all. No. If signed this year, the signing bonus would be paid this year. That changes how the amortization works. The first fraction would be paid this year if signed this year. That means that the year the last fraction is paid would be a year earlier. It also changes leverage. Depending on how well a player is playing next year - or even how he plays in the playoff game(s) - he might easily feel more or less pressure to sign a contract at that time than he does now. So the contract's terms could change between now and next year, particularly if they wait till during the season to sign a re-negotiation. 17 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: We are continuing to reap the fruits of eating all that dead $$ up front in 2018 instead of trying to spread it out and continue FO mediocrity from previous regimes—we already cashed in some of those dividends this year with great results... Yup. Good point. Edited December 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 The window has opened. We have three years to get a SB or two before Allen needs a big contract. Need to get it done, and none of this giving him a new contract before we need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Why would you not rollover? There are no football-related reasons. If an owner didn't want to spend the money on players at all ... just wanted to put it as a profit to the team, he could just not roll over the money. I believe it's been done but it's extremely infrequent. If you want to be as competitive as possible, you always roll it over. Fans get it and don't appreciate what it means. Edited December 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 17 hours ago, LB48 said: Just a simple question: Why couldn't our other recent GM's do this? There were plenty of years the Bills rolled over unused cap space in that past. Buddy Nix did so practically every year. The problem was they were not fielding a competitive team at the same time as not spending the money available to them. When you are where the Bills are, competitive team, relatively young core, QB rookie deal and cap space it is the time to focus on one or two high class additions to make the difference. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 16 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: Cool in what way? I mean, it's cool to us homers on TBD but I seriously doubt living in Buffalo and paying NYS taxes has become cool just because the Bills are a wild card team two out of three years. WNY real estate costs are low compared to many areas of the country, and half your games are played outside of NYS ( and the associated taxes) anyway. Aside from that, players are giving the management and environment great reviews. That word gets around with players in the league, and the team has become relevant again with two playoff berths in 3 seasons. These things do matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 21 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Why would you not rollover? Depends on what she looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 23 hours ago, H2o said: So we have the $$$ to sign Antonio Brown? ...but short on bail.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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