Mr. WEO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Watching some 30 for 30 last night: again the Bills SB run one and the one with BB and Parcells. That D was insane. They hurt everyone (Jim Burt v. Montana hit was epic). Yet, after the '85 Bears and '00 Ravens, they rarely make a top 10m list. Crazy. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 They are top of 10 all time. I think the 86’ Giants D was the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I guess I'd have to think longer about it but what comes to my mind is - they get their respect and get mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyd415 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I believe people in the know (current and former coaches, players, and management) know that the team was taken to the next level with the assistance of heavy doses of blow, crack, and who knows how many steroids before testing was as accurate/performed as regularly/more difficult to cheat. This is common knowledge and to me is the #1 reason they don’t get the same level of respect as the all time best defenses, especially in the “inner circle” of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dirtyd415 said: I believe people in the know (current and former coaches, players, and management) know that the team was taken to the next level with the assistance of heavy doses of blow, crack, and who knows how many steroids before testing was as accurate/performed as regularly/more difficult to cheat. This is common knowledge and to me is the #1 reason they don’t get the same level of respect as the all time best defenses, especially in the “inner circle” of the NFL. Are you serious? You think “people in the know” thought only the Giants players were doing coke and PEDS? What planet are you from? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 That team reminds me of the Patriots. Not because of how they played or how good they were......but because they were cheaters. Banks, Carson, Miller and the rest were great players, but the guy who spearheaded everything they accomplished on d (not belichick) was cheating. How is Barry Bonds not in the MLB HoF.....while LT is regarded (by many) as the best player ever on the defensive side of the ball. Barry took drugs that enhanced his performance LT took drugs that enhanced his performance Take the coke out of LTs nose and you would’ve seen a different player. One not as dominant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: That team reminds me of the Patriots. Not because of how they played or how good they were......but because they were cheaters. Banks, Carson, Miller and the rest were great players, but the guy who spearheaded everything they accomplished on d (not belichick) was cheating. How is Barry Bonds not in the MLB HoF.....while LT is regarded (by many) as the best player ever on the defensive side of the ball. Barry took drugs that enhanced his performance LT took drugs that enhanced his performance Take the coke out of LTs nose and you would’ve seen a different player. One not as dominant Hmm. I read this just before I was gonna post that LT's greatness overshadowed the greatness of guys like Banks and Carson and the rest of the Giants D. Was LT coked up on the field? Can't recall claims/evidence to that effect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Watching some 30 for 30 last night: again the Bills SB run one and the one with BB and Parcells. That D was insane. They hurt everyone (Jim Burt v. Montana hit was epic). Yet, after the '85 Bears and '00 Ravens, they rarely make a top 10m list. Crazy. Thoughts? I'd have to go back and watch some of the games. My memories of the 2 Super Bowl teams right now : 1986: they beat a BS Broncos team. 1990: that game was more about the Bills losing than the Giants winning. so I give them props but not much more than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Leonard Marshall’s hit on Montana made Joe take almost two years off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 37 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Hmm. I read this just before I was gonna post that LT's greatness overshadowed the greatness of guys like Banks and Carson and the rest of the Giants D. That's the way I see it as well. LT is such an enormous figure in NFL lore that his greatness overshadows what the team and the defense accomplished. Guy was something of a pioneer in terms of "edge" players lined up off the LOS attacking the QB. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 That defense was amazing but league rules where way different back then add to taking a player like LT and him pretty much admitting to being high every game and some of those numbers where kinda skewered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) The NFC had many great Ds, almost a cliche Big part of winning 13? SBs in a row, and the AFC bookends on those 13 were upsets Edited December 26, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Was Taylor a sketchy character back then? Could people tell something was up during interviews and such? I wasn’t old enough to remember him but did anyone have a clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Was Taylor a sketchy character back then? Could people tell something was up during interviews and such? I wasn’t old enough to remember him but did anyone have a clue? Not really, but the media has always made up the good or bad narrative it has deemed for an athlete, as it always did and does do and will do in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, NewEra said: That team reminds me of the Patriots. Not because of how they played or how good they were......but because they were cheaters. Banks, Carson, Miller and the rest were great players, but the guy who spearheaded everything they accomplished on d (not belichick) was cheating. How is Barry Bonds not in the MLB HoF.....while LT is regarded (by many) as the best player ever on the defensive side of the ball. Barry took drugs that enhanced his performance LT took drugs that enhanced his performance Take the coke out of LTs nose and you would’ve seen a different player. One not as dominant Coke isn't really a performance enhancing drug, especially in the context of a couple hour long football game. Edited December 26, 2019 by BullBuchanan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Coke isn't really a performance enhancing drug, especially in the context of a couple hour long football game. That’s your opinion. My experience says otherwise 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyd415 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Are you serious? You think “people in the know” thought only the Giants players were doing coke and PEDS? What planet are you from? I’m from earth you miserable ass. You asked a question and solicited peoples opinion. I gave you mine and you gave me a snarky BS response. “What do you think about xyz? Oh, that’s stupid and your wrong.” I’m sure you are a joy to be around this time of year, must just gotten some anthracite in your stocking I guess. Back to your original question, I didn’t say they were the only ones doing it. Was Barry Bonds the only player juicing up in Baseball?? No, but he had the best regimen/product/body response and became great because of them. The giants had the most players juicing and hitting hard drugs right before the game. Also had the best supply of the highest quality being in NY in the 80s. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyd415 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Coke isn't really a performance enhancing drug, especially in the context of a couple hour long football game. Um, not sure where you get your info, but for defenders, especially lineman and backers, it would 100% be performance enhancing. Maybe not for a QB or WR where more fine motor skills are used. Also have you heard of a key bump? Coke is about the most discreet drug to use. They certainly “recharged” at halftime but also likely on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Watching some 30 for 30 last night: again the Bills SB run one and the one with BB and Parcells. That D was insane. They hurt everyone (Jim Burt v. Montana hit was epic). Yet, after the '85 Bears and '00 Ravens, they rarely make a top 10m list. Crazy. Thoughts? Obviously the Giant defenses were talented. I do however think that without Taylor, they were just another "very good" defense. Taylor was off the charts great. Tony Dorsett said he used to wake up in the middle of the night seeing visions of Taylor coming at him. I met LT once in unusual circumstances and am 100% sure he was both crazy and dangerous. That said, I never saw a better defensive player, not even Bruce. Edited December 26, 2019 by Bill from NYC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 5 hours ago, NewEra said: That’s your opinion. My experience says otherwise cocaine was reported by the media as harmless, often helpful, for a long long time. The crack epidemic expanding through the 80a and the deaths of Len Bias and a lot of lesser known athletes changed the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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