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On 12/9/2019 at 6:35 AM, Rochesterfan said:


Yeldon showed his issue in camp fumbling, but the biggest reason to keep Yeldon away  is what we saw yesterday once again.  Yeldon cannot pass block at all.  Both Gore and by extension his protege Singletary are much better at picking up free rushers.  
 

Yeldon gives you pass catching, but can’t block - so again you are putting him in and taking plays from Singletary because they are closer in skill set and Singletary is better and should be on the field.

 

But he's a great pass catching back that you could put in a two RB backfield.

 

Buffalo's biggest problem on offense is our inability to attack the edge. The 49ers racked up yards on the edges of that Ravens defense. We are so condensed that it makes it really easy to call Cover 0 and blitz Allen all day. McKenzie, Yeldon, Singletary and Foster (just because I wouldn't want Brown to take the punishment) should all be heavily involved in the offense in short screens, quick outs etc. because at some point you have to spread the defense out. You have to make them respect the whole field, not just between the hashes.

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1 hour ago, racketmaster said:

At this point in the season it is clear as day that Yeldon should be playing over Gore (even if that means dressing Gore to have him on standby in case of emergency). In limited action Yeldon has averaged 4.5 ypc (10 for 45) and chipped in with 10 receptions for 100 yards (10.0 ypr). On the other hand, Gore has averaged 3.7 ypc and in much more extensive playing time has caught the same number of passes as Yeldon (10) but for only 84 yards (8.4 ypr). That alone shows that Yeldon has been much more productive but in the last 6 games Gore has really regressed after a decent start. He has been averaging 2.47 ypc the last 6 games. Singletary averages 5.6, Yeldon 4.5 and Gore has been at 2.47. To some this might not seem like a big deal but when the Bills are playing better teams like they are now, every little bit matters. Being able to go to Yeldon when Singletary needs a breather is important because unlike Gore, Yeldon remains a threat to run and catch passes just like Singletary. And if Singletary were to go down in a game we would have to depend on Gore and that is asking too much. Nice story and he moved into 3rd place but now is the time to get real and go with production. 

I’m actually curious if a “week off” like Reid did with McCoy would help Gore bounce back  down the stretch. Some of these older guys still have ability, but the workload and rest cycles need tweaking if they aren’t going to crash. 

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On 12/9/2019 at 6:35 AM, Rochesterfan said:


Yeldon showed his issue in camp fumbling, but the biggest reason to keep Yeldon away  is what we saw yesterday once again.  Yeldon cannot pass block at all.  Both Gore and by extension his protege Singletary are much better at picking up free rushers.  
 

Yeldon gives you pass catching, but can’t block - so again you are putting him in and taking plays from Singletary because they are closer in skill set and Singletary is better and should be on the field.

 

 Jacksonville loved him as a third down back for his catching and pass blocking 

 

Youre saying he forgot how how to do that? 

 

Doubtful. 

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2 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

I actually think we need a speed back more than anything else

I think they can use WRs like Foster or McKenzie on the end around / jet sweeps when they want speed. There are very few breakaway backs who can run between the tackles.

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5 minutes ago, vincec said:

I think they can use WRs like Foster or McKenzie on the end around / jet sweeps when they want speed. There are very few breakaway backs who can run between the tackles.

 

Henry maybe? Yep very few. 

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17 minutes ago, vincec said:

I think they can use WRs like Foster or McKenzie on the end around / jet sweeps when they want speed. There are very few breakaway backs who can run between the tackles.

 

Just feel like that positions lacking any type of home run threat.  

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2 hours ago, DRA3196 said:

TY has had a total of 10 carries for 45 yards this season. He has 1 fumble in those 10 carries. He also demonstrated fumble issues during the preseason. Although those opportunities have been limited. You have to prove your worth when you get the chance. TY hasn't IMO. Besides  TY is nothing more than insurance for our backfield just in case Gore or Motor get hurt. 

 

he has an average of 4.5 a carry and 10 yards per reception.  On an offense that struggles its amazing we choose to keep those numbers inactive and roll out gore and then perry for a special teams unit that isn't even good.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

How has it been disproven?

 

Yeldon puts the ball on the ground

 

Turnovrs lose games

 

Because he really doesn't put the ball on the ground over the course of his career.  He fumbles like 1 every 100 touches... which is actually pretty good.  

 

Singletary has 2 fumbles on 141 touches.  So he would actually be considered more fumble prone.

 

Then there is the example of sample size. If I don't think 141 touches is a large enough sample to label a player fumble prone - then neither is TJ yeldons 20 touches.

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Gore has been fine, the problem is they keep using him to run power and they are terrible at running power.

 

McCoy has tailed off quite a bit the last 4 games as has Gore.

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9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Because he really doesn't put the ball on the ground over the course of his career.  He fumbles like 1 every 100 touches... which is actually pretty good.  

 

Singletary has 2 fumbles on 141 touches.  So he would actually be considered more fumble prone.

 

Then there is the example of sample size. If I don't think 141 touches is a large enough sample to label a player fumble prone - then neither is TJ yeldons 20 touches.

 

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

How has it been disproven?

 

Yeldon puts the ball on the ground

 

Turnovrs lose games

 

See above.

 

The same thing has been posted over several threads for weeks.  You could have easily looked it up yourself before you posted the same fallacy.

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It would be fascinating to see behind the scenes, i.e., which coaches are lobbying for who to be active.   But I have to think that if Daboll were to say that this week's plan requires Yeldon to be active to combat blitz packages, he'd get his wish.  

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55 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Because he really doesn't put the ball on the ground over the course of his career.  He fumbles like 1 every 100 touches... which is actually pretty good.  

 

Singletary has 2 fumbles on 141 touches.  So he would actually be considered more fumble prone.

 

Then there is the example of sample size. If I don't think 141 touches is a large enough sample to label a player fumble prone - then neither is TJ yeldons 20 touches.

To be clear....i have always thought yeldon was a fumbler.

 

If he isnt.....he should be PLAYING because Gore has fallen way off

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On 12/9/2019 at 12:47 AM, I am the egg man said:

Yeldon- 6 fumbles, 656 touches. One fumble per 109 touches.

 

Gore- 45 fumbles, 3,997 touches. One fumble per 88 touches.

 

What's apparent JoPo Gore's a higher fumble risk than Yeldon.

 

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On 12/8/2019 at 10:14 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

I have been fairly vocal that cutting McCoy was a mistake.  I was fine with the Gore signing but not at the expense of cutting Shady. 

Now 13 games into the season, it is clear Gore has nothing left. He is not contributing anything on the field.  Let's assume he is a good locker room presence. Well that does not mean he has to be active on game day.  Yeldon offers so much more than Gore in terms of pass catching ability and speed to the edge.  If Gore wasn't 3rd all time rusher he would not be active on Sunday.  He is getting the nod based on respect not ability.  Would it make much difference on Sunday?  I don't know but it's yet another in a long line of personnel decisions that are head scratchers.

What says the board?  At least next time they have 1st and goal in side the five, please use Gore as a decoy.  Everyone knows that he is getting the ball and he has been more liekly to lose yards than gain any.

If Yeldon can’t beat Gore I don’t even want to see him play. We obviously made a huge mistake with Wade and we need to pray that Singletary can stay healthy. 

 

We we will be totally one dimensional if Singletary goes down.

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4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um, because he physically just can't?  Lee Smith runs like a busted mower in high grass.  Dimarco isn't Hayden Hurst, but he has had a couple nice runs and he gets downfield fast on teams.

 

 

He’s had three carries for 7 yards 

runs a 4.9 40 and executes a vast majority of his blocks with 3 yards of the line 

Saying Lee Smith physically can’t do that ....in the sense that he’s a walking penalty I will agree 

 

physically can’t execute the blocks dimarco does I will disagree 

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

See above.

 

The same thing has been posted over several threads for weeks.  You could have easily looked it up yourself before you posted the same fallacy.

And you could have easily looked down the thread before you posted this

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On 12/9/2019 at 12:47 AM, I am the egg man said:

Yeldon- 6 fumbles, 656 touches. One fumble per 109 touches.

 

Gore- 45 fumbles, 3,997 touches. One fumble per 88 touches.

 

What's apparent JoPo Gore's a higher fumble risk than Yeldon.

Gore came into the league with a bit of a fumbling issue.  His last 10+ seasons he's fumbled 23 times, vs 22 in his first 5 years.  He's also been very durable during that 10 year span.

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

 Jacksonville loved him as a third down back for his catching and pass blocking 

 

Youre saying he forgot how how to do that? 

 

Doubtful. 

They didn't love him enough to want to keep him, did they?

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21 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Why were Yeldon and Duke signed if they could make the team but not be utilized?

 

Depth...? People get injured in the NFL

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On 12/8/2019 at 11:14 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

I have been fairly vocal that cutting McCoy was a mistake.  I was fine with the Gore signing but not at the expense of cutting Shady. 

Now 13 games into the season, it is clear Gore has nothing left. He is not contributing anything on the field.  Let's assume he is a good locker room presence. Well that does not mean he has to be active on game day.  Yeldon offers so much more than Gore in terms of pass catching ability and speed to the edge.  If Gore wasn't 3rd all time rusher he would not be active on Sunday.  He is getting the nod based on respect not ability.  Would it make much difference on Sunday?  I don't know but it's yet another in a long line of personnel decisions that are head scratchers.

What says the board?  At least next time they have 1st and goal in side the five, please use Gore as a decoy.  Everyone knows that he is getting the ball and he has been more liekly to lose yards than gain any.

I concur 

3 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I’m actually curious if a “week off” like Reid did with McCoy would help Gore bounce back  down the stretch. Some of these older guys still have ability, but the workload and rest cycles need tweaking if they aren’t going to crash. 

Rest Gore, play Yeldon. 

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On 12/9/2019 at 12:52 PM, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Singletary should play the role Sony Michel does in NE and yeldon the role of white. Maybe keep gore activated in case of emergency but that’s it he’s pretty much toast. 

Let's mimic an offense other than New England's this year. 

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58 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Let's mimic an offense other than New England's this year. 

I know we hate ne but it makes sense in terms of roles for the rbs 

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13 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I know we hate ne but it makes sense in terms of roles for the rbs 

It's not really NE hate so much as they are not a good offense this season. But I get your point. 

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