Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 If it continues as it has, MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 9 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Agreed. I feel Jackson like Mahomes ended up on the perfect team for them, talent wise and coach wise. Jackson has Ingram and Edwards, Josh has a promising rookie and glue factory ready horse. Jackson has a Top O-line and Josh has a serviceable patchwork of players. Jackson has a SB winning HC and an OC that is perfect for the players they've assembled. Josh has a conservative, clap happy defensive minded culture guru and an OC that can't game plan around the players he has. Keep everything the same and switch QBs and you might find the results to be eerily similar. That fact that Josh is doing what he is with the talent around him as he works through his shortcomings and still be 7-3 is quite impressive. But by all means lets keep praising the guy that crapped the bed last year once the bright lights came on. Kinda silly to overlook that Allen has had a top 3 defense which keeps him in every game. The Ravens defense isn’t that good anymore and KC has a terrible defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda silly to overlook that Allen has had a top 3 defense which keeps him in every game. The Ravens defense isn’t that good anymore and KC has a terrible defense. The Ravens' defense is better than the Bills', are you kidding? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: The Ravens' defense is better than the Bills', are you kidding? What? The Bills have a way better defense. It benefits Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: What? The Bills have a way better defense. It benefits Allen. It most certainly is not way better. At best, they're close to even. But takeaways give Baltimore the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Lamar is spectacular as an overall talent there's no debating that..but the NFL is cyclical..it remains to be seen what he will look like a year from now. All it takes is one defensive coordinator to formulate the game plan to neutralize him and the floodgates open . The Ravens passing game is great but questions remain ...they don't really attack all areas of the field ..the majority of their production comes from Seam passes and slants and high low reads over the middle of the field . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda silly to overlook that Allen has had a top 3 defense which keeps him in every game. The Ravens defense isn’t that good anymore and KC has a terrible defense. Ravens D is quite comparable to the Bills. Bills pass defense is better but Baltimore is 7th against the rush, the Bills are 18th. And as many like to point out we haven't exactly played the elite of the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 9:59 AM, RoboTronic said: All the draft experts were fooled by Jackson. Ozzie Newsome and John Harbaugh weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Kinda silly to overlook that Allen has had a top 3 defense which keeps him in every game. The Ravens defense isn’t that good anymore and KC has a terrible defense. 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: What? The Bills have a way better defense. It benefits Allen. Both claims are not correct. They are similar in points allowed (17 vs. 19.6), despite Baltimore facing 2 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 10 scoring Offenses (winning 3 of 4). Despite this, they are +8 in T/O diff (5th). The Bills D has faced 1 top 10 scoring Offense. 5 of their games were against Offenses ranked 29, 30, 31, 32. After the Eagles (14) they had the Giants and Titans (tied for 22). Despite this, they are 0 in the T/O diff. So even comparing them at all is sketchy. And they struggle to stop the run. And Baltimore is the best rushing team in the NFL....and #2 is not even close. Edited November 19, 2019 by Mr. WEO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 hours ago, bigduke6 said: eventually defensive coaches will figure Jackson out. just like they figured Vick out. tbh, Jackson sitll doesnt scare me as a passer. he hasnt played well for a large amount of time. its entirely possible he will be a very good QB for a long time. its also very possible he goes the way that Vick did. time will tell. talking about whether or not people made mistakes or missed on drafting a player with so little starts, is, pointless. nobody knows. So you aren’t into looking back but it seems you are quite into assuming a future that agrees w your bias. Analysis of past mistakes is critical for learning and development. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Both claims are not correct. They are similar in points allowed (17 vs. 19.6), despite Baltimore facing 2 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 10 scoring Offenses (winning 3 of 4). Despite this, they are +8 in T/O diff (5th). The Bills D has faced 1 top 10 scoring Offense. 5 of their games were against Offenses ranked 29, 30, 31, 32. After the Eagles (14) they had the Giants and Titans (tied for 22). Despite this, they are 0 in the T/O diff. So even comparing them at all is sketchy. And they struggle to stop the run. And Baltimore is the best rushing team in the NFL....and #2 is not even close. No math major but 3 is better than 14 right? So the point stands. And our defense has certainly regressed. Our offense didn’t help our defense by not maintaining drives. Also, the Ravens defense has improved since they traded for Peters. but let’s not pretend like the Bills defense isn’t a huge reason for Allen “win-loss” record. I believe the stat is he’s won one game where the defense gave up 20 points in his career. 3 hours ago, bigduke6 said: eventually defensive coaches will figure Jackson out. just like they figured Vick out. tbh, Jackson sitll doesnt scare me as a passer. he hasnt played well for a large amount of time. its entirely possible he will be a very good QB for a long time. its also very possible he goes the way that Vick did. time will tell. talking about whether or not people made mistakes or missed on drafting a player with so little starts, is, pointless. nobody knows. He is a more accurate passer than Vick. Vick hit the 60% barrier once in his career and that was when he was 30. Jackson is at 66%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Sorry but the NFL will catch up to Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 5:46 AM, H2o said: While I don't think Lamar would be AS successful if he had not landed exactly where he did, I still think the talent would show through. The young man is electric out there. I think an organization needs to have a plan for any prospect to succeed. I don’t think Josh Allen turns out in Arizona but he has a good chance of being a franchise guy in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: No math major but 3 is better than 14 right? So the point stands. And our defense has certainly regressed. Our offense didn’t help our defense by not maintaining drives. Also, the Ravens defense has improved since they traded for Peters. but let’s not pretend like the Bills defense isn’t a huge reason for Allen “win-loss” record. I believe the stat is he’s won one game where the defense gave up 20 points in his career. He's done so at least twice this year, both against the Dolphins of course so they don't count probably. He also got the W against the Jags last year in that brawl of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: No math major but 3 is better than 14 right? So the point stands. And our defense has certainly regressed. Our offense didn’t help our defense by not maintaining drives. Also, the Ravens defense has improved since they traded for Peters. but let’s not pretend like the Bills defense isn’t a huge reason for Allen “win-loss” record. I believe the stat is he’s won one game where the defense gave up 20 points in his career. It's 3 vs 7 in points allowed, which I made clear. Yes, The Offense has benefited from the D keeping scoring low against the worst teams in the NFL. That fact doesn't make your claims that the Bills D is "way better" and the Ravens D "isn't that good anymore" any less obviously false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Mikey152 said: No. Here's the deal...if you want to stop Baltimore, the key is being able to stop Ingram with 5, 6 or 7 DBs on the field. The more DBs you have out there, the more speed AND the more zone you can play, which has two benefits...players play more facing and reading the QB so they can account for the run and they can attack the football when it is in the air. The Bills match up well because their two best LBs are very fast and better in coverage, so they can play nickel and still get the speed boost. On top of that, they are a zone team by default that is used to playing team defense. Um, what about Andrews and Boyle? Seems to me what's giving teams fits about Baltimore is a 3-headed snake. Take away Ingram, Jackson either takes off or tosses it somewhere in the vicinity of Andrews, who sucks it in and rumbles his 6'5, 260 lb ass over people at a pretty good clip. There must be a solution - 3 teams beat 'em - but it's a legit matchup problem. He's the same size as Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 11 hours ago, GreggTX said: Lamar Jackson looks to be the best QB from his class. Josh isn't even close, at least not yet. We get to evaluate firsthand very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 11 hours ago, simpleman said: This is why he has had such great success so soon. He would have been an epic fail if he had been drafted by McBeane. There are two types of GMs and HCs. Those that evaluate the talent they have, and then design schemes to best fit the talent they have. And those that have huge egos who try to make talent fit the grand schemes they have on their heads. They try to pound square pegs in round holes, and if they don't fit, they discard the square pegs no matter the cost to the team. McBeane is very much the big ego. It is about their "grand process" and "their own hand picked guys". Although not as bad as Rex, who is the ultimate "big brilliant ego". You fit their scheme, or else you are gone at whatever the cost. The "Process" is unforgiving and highly inflexible. It may succeed, but it will take multiple seasons to be able to acquire the talent that fits "The Process". Lamar was selected by a team that believed that you evaluate the talent you have, and design a scheme to best fit it without blowing up the team you have. You don't wait years to fulfill "the grand process" and make your fans suffer years of subpar football, you win now and provide entertaining football while building for the future. The team evolves and grows as you add new and better pieces without blowing it up and starting over. Success can be achieved quicker. You don't mold a whole roster of 50+ players to fit the arbitrary scheme, you mold the scheme to allow the talent available to best succeed . It is flexible. Candidate for the post of the year!!! It's all dead on. However, be cautioned. If you keep writing stuff like this, you will be vilified around here! Most folks here prefer feel good delusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: We get to evaluate firsthand very soon. I like our defense against anyone but their offensive strength (running, play action) are the one weakness this defense has shown this year. Playing them at home, hopefully with some bad weather, could really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboTronic Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, SoTier said: Ozzie Newsome and John Harbaugh weren't. You have to wonder, would they have picked Jackson if they were drafting higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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