njbuff Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Schiff deserves a Stone Cold Stunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 gotta hand it to Sonderland, he should be sweating like near-death Elvis for getting totally roasted the last 15 minutes for his fables and lies he is contorting well enough when he has to go off Schiff's teleprompter and script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Foxx said: again, Sondland said Trump never called for a quid pro quo directly. are you being intentionally obtuse here? No, he called for the investigations and wouldn't release the aid without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IDBillzFan Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, jrober38 said: You obviously can't read, or you're selective choosing to ignore that Sondland has said numerous times that the quid pro quo he was aware of involved trading a White House meeting for a public announcement into the Bidens. Folks like you are why the Dems are schitting the bed with these useless hearings. You believe everything you are told. Everything. Unable to think for yourself, you grab whatever flag they give you without thought and wave it enthusiastically without stopping to realize it's not a flag, but a parachute with holes in and that wind you think is at your back is coming from below you. Stop. Breathe. Look at everything again objectively. The truth will be there, but you have to see it for yourself because your party leaders are lying to you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 He didn't make the connection, lol Ya sure 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I called this one! Now its a show trial. Before it was secret star chamber, now show trial. No credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Doesn't have to be funds. Just has to be something of "value". For example, if Zelinsky asked his justice department to investigate Biden or Burisma, and doing that cost any amount of money, that would be an example of value. It's all really easy to follow. Just read the link. Sections B, F and G were all violated. There was nothing of value in the meeting for public announcement quid pro quo. That is why the funds need to be tied to it, and they dont have one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 “‘I would ask Zelensky to look him in the eye and tell him that once Ukraine’s new justice folks are in place mid-Sept, that Ze should be able to move forward publicly and with confidence on those issues of importance to Potus and to the US,’ Sondland wrote in the Aug. 22 email, using an acronym for president of the United States. ‘Hopefully, that will break the logjam’ on funding.” Just now, Bray Wyatt said: There was nothing of value in the meeting for public announcement quid pro quo. That is why the funds need to be tied to it, and they dont have one That's just stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Folks like you are why the Dems are schitting the bed with these useless hearings. You believe everything you are told. Everything. Unable to think for yourself, you grab whatever flag they give you without thought and wave it enthusiastically without stopping to realize it's not a flag, but a parachute with holes in and that wind you think is at your back is coming from below you. Stop. Breathe. Look at everything again objectively. The truth will be there, but you have to see it for yourself because your party leaders are lying to you. Unable to think for myself? I'm just looking at the testimony that's been given by witnesses under oath. Trump extorted a foreign government for his political gain domestically. In doing so he broke federal campaign finance laws. All of that is obvious at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, jrober38 said: No. Others were just not told there was a quid pro quo. They didn't have access to Trump or Guiliani like Sondland had. And the one time Sondland asked Trump directly what he wanted regarding Ukraine, what was the answer he got? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: There was nothing of value in the meeting for public announcement quid pro quo. That is why the funds need to be tied to it, and they dont have one You can't honestly believe this can you? Funds don't have to be tied to it. Federal law is clear in that regard. Trump broke multiple laws. That's very clear after today's testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: And the one time Sondland asked Trump directly what he wanted regarding Ukraine, what was the answer he got? That's because Volker was calling it what it was! Of course Trump is going to lie. I mean, my God, Trump lies constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 What happened to bribery? I thought that was the focus group tested choice infraction? NPCs received new programming again! Must be NPC programming software 2.0 to have everyone pivot so quickly!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: And the one time Sondland asked Trump directly what he wanted regarding Ukraine, what was the answer he got? Trump responding to this right now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, njbuff said: Schiff deserves a Stone Cold Stunner. How is Kate today? 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: And the one time Sondland asked Trump directly what he wanted regarding Ukraine, what was the answer he got? *That one time two days after Trump learned the whistle was blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, dubs said: What happened to bribery? I thought that was the focus group tested choice infraction? NPCs received new programming again! Must be NPC programming software 2.0 to have everyone pivot so quickly!! Such conduct becomes bribery only when there is an identifiable exchange between the contribution and official acts, previous or subsequent, and the term quid pro quo denotes such an exchange. Quid pro quo - Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: How is Kate today? *That one time two days after Trump learned the whistle was blown Ask Justin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bray Wyatt Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: You can't honestly believe this can you? Funds don't have to be tied to it. Federal law is clear in that regard. Trump broke multiple laws. That's very clear after today's testimony. Yes it sounds to me like you are looking to force fit a law to fit what you believe to have taken place. A meeting does not have any value, and to think using a meeting as a tool to extort a foreign country is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Shem Horne Tracy Beanz Fudge Your 3 main sources You're pathetic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Waiting on the actual indictment -- will be interesting reading. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Yes it sounds to me like you are looking to force fit a law to fit what you believe to have taken place. A meeting does not have any value, and to think using a meeting as a tool to extort a foreign country is a joke I'm not forcing anything. There is plenty you can read online to educate yourself on the issue. The meeting isn't the issue. The issue is the investigation into a political rival. Trump extorted an ally at war with a US enemy to benefit himself politically. Laws were clearly broken, even if you don't agree with them. Edited November 20, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Waiting on the actual indictment -- will be interesting reading. But isn't this investigation now illegal because Trump asked for an investigation? Asking for a friend. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: The issue is the investigation into a political rival. Trump extorted an ally at war with a US enemy to benefit himself politically. Laws were clearly broken, even if you don't agree with them. Remember you said that in two weeks... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I'm not forcing anything. There is plenty you can read online to educate yourself on the issue. The meeting isn't the issue. The issue is the investigation into a political rival. Trump extorted an ally at war with a US enemy to benefit himself politically. Laws were clearly broken, even if you don't agree with them. wrong again. investigating corruption is permissible and expected, especially when it’s someone so high up in US government as Joe Biden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I'm not forcing anything. There is plenty you can read online to educate yourself on the issue. The meeting isn't the issue. The issue is the investigation into a political rival. Trump extorted an ally at war with a US enemy to benefit himself politically. Laws were clearly broken, even if you don't agree with them. The only thing confirmed by Sondland in regards to a this for that was the meeting for announcement. That does not come close to extortion. The investigation aspect has to do with corruption, and was something that was brought up before Biden declared he was running, this is not new. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Unable to think for myself? I'm just looking at the testimony that's been given by witnesses under oath. Trump extorted a foreign government for his political gain domestically. In doing so he broke federal campaign finance laws. All of that is obvious at this point. No, you're actually looking at the reports of the testimony. If you were looking at the testimony, you see it wasn't nearly this unambiguous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Waiting on the actual indictment -- will be interesting reading. Which bottom tier Dem candidate is going to hammer Biden with this tonight? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Uncle Joe said: But isn't this investigation now illegal because Trump asked for an investigation? Asking for a friend. Yes, Hunter Biden is retroactively entering the 2020 race, so off limits. You absolutely cannot investigate potential political opponents for their alleged past misdeeds, but you can indeed plan to "investigate" them in the future in case they win (insurance policy). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, GG said: Which bottom tier Dem candidate is going to hammer Biden with this tonight? Tulsi ... if she's on stage? I forget if she is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: extorted an ally at war with a US enemy Nine words, three lies. That's incredible. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Tulsi ... if she's on stage? I forget if she is. I was thinking her or Kamala. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Nine words, three lies. That's incredible. It really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Tulsi ... if she's on stage? I forget if she is. And she'll look good doing it. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: Which bottom tier Dem candidate is going to hammer Biden with this tonight? none. their polling will have shown them that it is not a good thing for a Dem. that or the DNC will have prohibited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 https://twitter.com/rameswaram/status/1197215939126689792 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Yes, let's ask Pompeo! Just now1m ago McFaul: Sondland's assertion that he did not connect Burisma, Biden is 'insulting to our intelligence' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: What's this!? Money laundering? Graft? You don't say... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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