BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: What does this say about that irresponsible previous regime which drafted him? Or the current regime who let him walk so that they could trade down, pass on two potential All Pro QBs, to draft his replacement? Hey man, McD didn’t have time to evaluate the QB’s that draft but he did know that Gilmore was bad and Tre White was gonna be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Remind me again how I should care about the actions of previous regimes? I'd rather remind you that we didn't draft DK Metcalf. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Remind me again how I should care about the actions of previous regimes? EJ needs more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Gilmore was an excellent corner while he was here but in his free agency year, I have never, ever seen an NFL player avoid contact like Gilmore avoided contact. It was a joke. After that, I didn't care whether he came back or not. Still don't. That's just not true IMO. He used to not wrap guys up, and they would sometimes break tackles. He would come in and lower his shoulder into receivers or runners instead of tackling them. But it was very often NOT avoiding contact, it was avoiding tackling. If anything he was more likely to get hurt like that than less. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He was the whipping boy on here. He deserved that during his final season with us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: That's just not true IMO. He used to not wrap guys up, and they would sometimes break tackles. He would come in and lower his shoulder into receivers or runners instead of tackling them. But it was very often NOT avoiding contact, it was avoiding tackling. If anything he was more likely to get hurt like that than less. Is that video of Gilmore with the arm club CRUSHING Sanders vs the Broncos in 2014, and then getting a ridiculous flag still out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He was just as good here. He got no recognition and constantly had to play cover 0 and 1 with rex. Not exactly stat stuffing coverages He's always been a top corner He didn't tackle well when he was here during the Rex years. It wasn't limited to him. I did a lot of screaming WRAP! WRAP @#$% YOU! at the D Given how loosy-goosy and underprepared Rex and the team often seemed, it doesn't come across as a shock that the players were left on their own for film study. But a projector? Seriously? Srsly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: Can't argue with you here. I guess what I am getting at is that (and this stretched across various administrations) the front office(s) failed to be proactive in contract negotiations. Quality CBs are a huge commodity in the NFL, which is why they command such large contracts. When White signs his next contract, it will likely make him the highest paid CB in the NFL (until the next top notch CB becomes a free agent); the Bills need to accept that and work with him and his agent in good faith -- before he becomes a free agent and gains leverage. After all, part of this long term plan is to draft well and keep our own good players, right? To give you where I believe Winfield wasn't coming back, he was interviewed after the last game in his contract year. One reporter asked him "Do you want to come back to Buffalo". Winfield smiled and said "We'll see....". I knew he wanted out of here. I'll agree with you there. If they would have locked up Clements before he became unrestricted...we could have had him at a more reasonable price. 2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: He deserved that during his final season with us. I honestly don't believe that. Belicheck wouldn't have paid him that contract if he was coming off of a bad year. They made him at the time I believe the 2nd-3rd highest paid corner in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He didn't tackle well when he was here during the Rex years. It wasn't limited to him. I did a lot of screaming WRAP! WRAP @#$% YOU! at the D Given how loosy-goosy and underprepared Rex and the team often seemed, it doesn't come across as a shock that the players were left on their own for film study. But a projector? Seriously? Srsly? I don't take much stock in the Gilmore can't tackle. He is a super physical outside corner. He played with a broken wrist! He knocked Eddie Lacy out of a game before.. 250 pounds... Not 1 other corner in the league would take him on like that. You need to preserve at some point You wanna know a corner who won't and cant tackle? Levi Wallace... Turns his back and runs downfield Edited October 30, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Not a good look, but also telling why we didn't pay him... While It would be nice to have him, I don't think McD can justify the money for a guy whose an ill fit for the scheme. I didn't watch much, let alone follow closely during the disaster of the Rex era, so I don't know why everyone hates him, but it sounds like he's at least a hard worker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Does Gilmore say anything about seeing the opposition gameplan before the game? Any videos of other team practices? Listening in on opponents headsets? Just curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That's just not true IMO. He used to not wrap guys up, and they would sometimes break tackles. He would come in and lower his shoulder into receivers or runners instead of tackling them. But it was very often NOT avoiding contact, it was avoiding tackling. If anything he was more likely to get hurt like that than less. Tackling-wise, he was Deion Sanders 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Not a good look, but also telling why we didn't pay him... While It would be nice to have him, I don't think McD can justify the money for a guy whose an ill fit for the scheme. I didn't watch much, let alone follow closely during the disaster of the Rex era, so I don't know why everyone hates him, but it sounds like he's at least a hard worker. Gilmore is very solid in zone coverage. Quarters coverage and Cover 3 he excels in He can sometimes get lax in cover 2 but he can play any coverage in football at a high level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Not a good look, but also telling why we didn't pay him... While It would be nice to have him, I don't think McD can justify the money for a guy whose an ill fit for the scheme. I didn't watch much, let alone follow closely during the disaster of the Rex era, so I don't know why everyone hates him, but it sounds like he's at least a hard worker. I wish we could just acknowledge that in their fervor to "right the ship" and with a lame duck GM that he did not trust, McDermott undervalued and let some talented players walk (and passed up some shots in the draft) that would be contributing well to our team. Gilmore would be one. Robert Woods would be another. And in hindsight, we could have managed to keep both of them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I still have Hogan burning him by five yards on a 53 yard TD with him looking back at the end blaming his team in my mind. Nobody wept when we let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Doc Brown said: I still have Hogan burning him by five yards on a 53 yard TD with him looking back at the end blaming his team in my mind. Nobody wept when we let him go. That was one of the plays the fans overreacted on. He was supposed to have over the top support on that play. He turned around not to deflect blame but more to wonder why the defense called wasn't followed and how that happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: That was one of the plays the fans overreacted on. He was supposed to have over the top support on that play. He turned around not to deflect blame but more to wonder why the defense called wasn't followed and how that happened. Rex even said after the game it was a tampa 2 call I believe So the corner should play under the WR knowing he has a safety overtop 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'd rather remind you that we didn't draft DK Metcalf. Now THAT chaps me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Rex even said after the game it was a tampa 2 call I believe So the corner should play under the WR knowing he has a safety overtop Yup. It came out clear after the game that it was not his fault. He never would have ran the way he did if he was one on one with Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Happy Gilmore When YOU don't live up to expectations Look inward before you look outward Yes!!! People still think this. Thank for Belichick took that bum off our hands. He was holding this team back. Jerk didn’t even smile when he got drafted! 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He didn't tackle well when he was here during the Rex years. It wasn't limited to him. I did a lot of screaming WRAP! WRAP @#$% YOU! at the D Given how loosy-goosy and underprepared Rex and the team often seemed, it doesn't come across as a shock that the players were left on their own for film study. But a projector? Seriously? Srsly? I’m a weirdo but I would take the best cover corner over a bad cover cb who can tackle well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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