Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together. What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly. If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to rebuild that team I would give them a 1st and 4th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together. What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly. If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to rebuild that team I would give them a 1st and 4th. I like it! 31 years old but still plays at a high level. Your comp seems a little pricey though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, billsbackto81 said: I like it! 31 years old but still plays at a high level. Your comp seems a little pricey though. As a negotiator i start lower with just a second then work up if you have to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I wouldn’t give up a 1st rounder for any 30+ year old player. The only way I’d give up a first rounder at all is if the player would put us over the edge as a contender. We’re not close to that yet. Yes to Atkins, no to what you’d give up for him. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, BritBill said: I wouldn’t give up a 1st rounder for any 30+ year old player. The only way I’d give up a first rounder at all is if the player would put us over the edge as a contender. We’re not close to that yet. Yes to Atkins, no to what you’d give up for him. We're not that far and if we dont get trampled yesterday i believe there is a different outcome to yesterday's game and less fair weather fans. 1st is a lot but how many busts have we had, id rather spend it on a guaranteed player than a hope and a prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 “You build through the Draft “ - Brandon Tyson Beane 2019 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We're not that far and if we dont get trampled yesterday i believe there is a different outcome to yesterday's game and less fair weather fans. 1st is a lot but how many busts have we had, id rather spend it on a guaranteed player than a hope and a prayer. We’re way off being a championship team. We’re a bubble wild card team who struggles to beat similar or better teams. Atkins, as good as an addition as he would be, wouldn’t change that. He could only be a guaranteed player for 2 years at his age and position. If we didn’t get ran over on Sunday I don’t think there would be a conversation about giving up a 1st round pick for a 30 year old DT. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: “You build through the Draft “ - Brandon Tyson Beane 2019 Well we're certainly going to need "Iron Mike" to deliver a knockout 2020 draft to plug all these holes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Would he help? Of course, as would dontari poe... but no way would i want the Bills giving up a 1st or even 2nd for either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, BritBill said: We’re way off being a championship team. We’re a bubble wild card team who struggles to beat similar or better teams. Atkins, as good as an addition as he would be, wouldn’t change that. He could only be a guaranteed player for 2 years at his age and position. If we didn’t get ran over on Sunday I don’t think there would be a conversation about giving up a 1st round pick for a 30 year old DT. At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years. if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) For a 31 year-old? A first and a fourth? I'm glad you're not the GM. More, grabbing him doesn't seem to be the type of move this FO makes, bringing in very high-priced FAs, and especially very high-priced older FAs. Edited October 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) I looked up the word Stud, still not sure why we need one.... a large-headed piece of metal that pierces and projects from a surface, especially for decoration. an item of jewelry in the form of a piece of metal, precious stone, or other ornament attached to a pin or shaft that passes through a piercing in the body. a fastener consisting of two buttons joined with a bar, used in formal wear to fasten a shirtfront or to fasten a collar to a shirt. British a small projection fixed to the base of footwear, especially athletic shoes, to allow the wearer to grip the ground. a small metal piece set into the tire of a motor vehicle to improve roadholding in slippery conditions Edited October 29, 2019 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years. if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game. Even still, a first plus other pick is way too much for my liking. Like I said, love the player, not the price you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Atkins is a good player but is he stout against the run? I've always had the impression he's more of a disruptor and really good interior pass rusher. Kind of like the ceiling Ed Oliver is supposed to have. Joe B did a pretty nice article on The Athletic yesterday with potential 1-technique targets. They're the guys you don't really hear about much because their role by nature keeps them off the scoresheet. Not going to steal the man's work but he lists 7 players and their justification but here is the top 3 Andrew Billings, CIN Mike Purcell, DEN Dalvin Tomlinson, NYG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: At his position his age is not a problem he has 6 good years. if we dont give up 200+ plus yds we win this game. Six more years would put him way over average at his position. And plenty don't make it much past 32 or so. I always look at Smerlas and Jim Burt, but there are plenty of other examples. 4 minutes ago, JM57 said: Atkins is a good player but is he stout against the run? I've always had the impression he's more of a disruptor and really good interior pass rusher. Kind of like the ceiling Ed Oliver is supposed to have. Joe B did a pretty nice article on The Athletic yesterday with potential 1-technique targets. They're the guys you don't really hear about much because their role by nature keeps them off the scoresheet. Not going to steal the man's work but he lists 7 players and their justification but here is the top 3 Andrew Billings, CIN Mike Purcell, DEN Dalvin Tomlinson, NYG Thanks. I'll take a look. If they do bring in a DT, this is the kind of guy they might well look at. Edited October 29, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I looked up the word Stud, still not sure why we need one.... a large-headed piece of metal that pierces and projects from a surface, especially for decoration. an item of jewelry in the form of a piece of metal, precious stone, or other ornament attached to a pin or shaft that passes through a piercing in the body. a fastener consisting of two buttons joined with a bar, used in formal wear to fasten a shirtfront or to fasten a collar to a shirt. British a small projection fixed to the base of footwear, especially athletic shoes, to allow the wearer to grip the ground. a small metal piece set into the tire of a motor vehicle to improve roadholding in slippery conditions The strangest word in the English language, for me, is retrofit. Intuitively, you'd think it would mean "redesign to a retro style," but it actually means "to modernize" (not in so many words). You'd think a better word for the definition would simply be "modernize," "upgrade," or even "refit." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together. What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly. If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to rebuild that team I would give them a 1st and 4th. I like Gino, but no team giving Bengals a first for a player who is 31 years old, that is not smart at all. Maybe a 3rd & 6th but not way giving up a first and 4th unless the guy is 28 or younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I am not giving up a first and fourth for anyone sorry next year draft loaded at WR and we need that and a big DT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Everyone wants an offensive weapon but we have those players ,they just need to be used more (Singletary) and the offense just needs more time together, lets not forget we have NINE NEW STARTERS on offense and have only played 7 games together. What we really need is a another stud DT to go with Jordan Phillips. The dolphins showed our weakness and the Eagles exposed us out right and that is we dont have enough stoutness against the run. This problem goes back to last year when the pats ran us over last year and was not addressed properly. If im Beane im calling the Bengals, not for still and oft injured AJ Green , but DT Geno Atkins. This guy is a stud and still playing at a high level and cincy is going to need all the picks they can get to rebuild that team I would give them a 1st and 4th. Sorry BB but imo there is no DT who is worth a 1st and a 4th, and if there was one he would not be 31 years old. We desperately need quality receivers, and I am not sold on Green at too high a price either. In the 2020 draft, high quality WRs will be falling from the sky. We need a running back too. We should absolutely stock our QB with quality weapons and see how good he is, and we can do this. It is fun blaming Daboll for all of our ills but the truth is that we have a young, inexperienced QB who lacks the proper supporting cast. Jmo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Does he catch passes? ? If you're saying that another DT to pair with Phillips is a need, why not sign Phillips to an extention first? I get that they've underperformed as a whole, but look at the position as a whole: They've invested a first round pick, a 3rd round injured player who will be back next year, signed a guy in free agency (who they will likely try and extend) and overpaid Star (all while trotting out a practice squad player in Peko) I HIGHLY doubt that they would put any more resources into a single position group when we have much more glaring needs IMO. I'd argue we need a pass rushing DE more than another DT. And above all else, more play makers on O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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