rayray808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 WEEK 1: B- WEEK 2: B WEEK 3: C+ WEEK 4: F WEEK 5: B+ WEEK 7: B WEEK 8: D+ 16/34 - 169 yards - 2 TD's, 45 yards rushing, fumble Yes the field conditions were bad. Yes we didn't run the ball. Yes our defense let the Eagles run the ball over and over again, however good QB's keep you in the game regardless of that, and Josh Allen couldn't come up with a complete game to do that. The good: 3rd down conversions. He is so exciting to watch in those situations and I genuinely never feel like we are out of it when he has the ball in his hands. The bad: holding on to the ball too long and missing his WR's on easy routes. The ugly. the fumble inside 2 minutes, and frankly, his fumbles in general. 18 games. 16 fumbles. That is a huge concern. Overall - THE SKY IS NOT FALLING guys. It is his sophomore year and he is still progressing along just fine. I will say this though... our close victories should no longer mask some of the glaring holes this team has. We are not Super Bowl contenders yet, or even a playoff lock, but we are better than we were last year and as a true Bills fan you have to be excited about that. GO BILLS! Side note: huge thanks to Dave from the Salt Lake City Bills Backers club for hosting me while I was in town for a conference. Utah Bills Mafia are amazingly friendly and wonderful hosts. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Need to get that call QB run/sweep in the back of the playbook. We need rb's to run that play, not the slinger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, bigK14094 said: Need to get that call QB run/sweep in the back of the playbook. We need rb's to run that play, not the slinger. I turned to the guy next to me and we both agreed that Daboll should rip that play out of the playbook already, it has yet to yield good results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 After it was 24-13, the Bills had 3 drives and I don't know the passing numbers off those 3 drives but they were horrible. I'm sorry, the QB needs to do better. So many people on this board blame the play calling and the receivers, etc.. Even losers like Matt Schaub can throw for 400+ yards, ,....Daniel Jones has now had multiple 300 yd games. Josh needs to read the field and recognize overages quickly and get the ball out. IF he is incapable, then he should take off and scramble because that's his best play..not the designed runs but rather the unscripted scrambles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I was there and honestly I blame the fumble on the play call we should've thrown the ball on that play, also I give Allen a solid B for the game he had no help from the line and the run game was weak. He threw 2 TDS in the worst of conditions and no picks. He continues to show his growth week in and week out. Trust me the weather was terrible. The only thing I want to see is more singletary than Gore and especially a nice short passing game developed with singletary. The kid is special and should be what our offense starts with and leans on when times get tough whether it be the pass or run with him. Also Tyler kroft looks like the real deal we need to play him more and throw to him more often. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, rayray808 said: WEEK 1: B- WEEK 2: B WEEK 3: C+ WEEK 4: F WEEK 5: B+ WEEK 7: B WEEK 8: D+ 16/34 - 169 yards - 2 TD's, 45 yards rushing, fumble Yes the field conditions were bad. Yes we didn't run the ball. Yes our defense let the Eagles run the ball over and over again, however good QB's keep you in the game regardless of that, and Josh Allen couldn't come up with a complete game to do that. The good: 3rd down conversions. He is so exciting to watch in those situations and I genuinely never feel like we are out of it when he has the ball in his hands. The bad: holding on to the ball too long and missing his WR's on easy routes. The ugly. the fumble inside 2 minutes, and frankly, his fumbles in general. 18 games. 16 fumbles. That is a huge concern. Overall - THE SKY IS NOT FALLING guys. It is his sophomore year and he is still progressing along just fine. I will say this though... our close victories should no longer mask some of the glaring holes this team has. We are not Super Bowl contenders yet, or even a playoff lock, but we are better than we were last year and as a true Bills fan you have to be excited about that. GO BILLS! Side note: huge thanks to Dave from the Salt Lake City Bills Backers club for hosting me while I was in town for a conference. Utah Bills Mafia are amazingly friendly and wonderful hosts. I'll just put it out there that this seems very superficial, and I would find it helpful to have a bit more granularity about the basis, other than "we lost and he didn't have a good completion percentage or rack up yards" 24 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: Need to get that call QB run/sweep in the back of the playbook. We need rb's to run that play, not the slinger. Didn't it work successfully in a couple of earlier games? But arguably - it's not the best play when you're at the 2 minute warning, deep in your own territory, leading 7-3 going into the half, and your QB has already been strip sacked once Also a point that bothers me - Daboll likes to call regular plays out of "gadgety" formations, meaning formations in which a player is asked to do something that catches the defense off guard. Lee Smith faking a run block then catching a TD pass. etc etc. The problem is, once those plays get on film, the kind of good coaches who overprepare recognize them. Then you have a player who is not best suited for that kind of play, trying to execute against guys who are prepared for it and Bad Things happen. Little bad things like Lee Smith not getting a 1st down, or Bad Bad things like Josh Allen fumbling deep in our territory just before the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) For me, its a C, to be a D I would have to believe he was one of , if not, the primary culprits in the loss. I know the tendency is to say 16-34 he had a low completion. That number is skewed by the late game when we collapsed and he didn't complete his last 9 or 10. The game was over essentially after the 8 minute drive in the fourth. Eagles knew we had to pass, and the offensive line, in particular was like a sieve. I will balance all this by saying, it was pretty much within the parameters of performance we'd expect from Josh prior to the later fourth quarter. He looked especially good on the third quarter TD drive that put us back in it temporarily. He had 2TD and no INTs- which we'll take, but he doesn't escape blame completely, he fumbled and he has to be better with the protecting the fumble. I'm sticking with a C, it's not a good performance, but it's not a huge step back. The team on the other hand........ Edited October 28, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 He was the anti-Josh this week. Pretty good for the first 2-1/2 Qs, awful for the remainder of the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 How many 200 yard, 2 TD games do we get to watch before we see our franchise QB throw a 300 yard, 3 TD game?!? When can we have an offense that can bail out the defense? You see a guy come off the couch in Atlanta and throw 450... you see Bridgewater who hadn't played in a couple years throw for 350 and 4 TD's.. you have Daniel Jones tossing multiple 300 yd games already.. Minshew, etc.. Not saying Josh should have thrown for 300 and 3 TDs in those weather conditions yesterday, but c'mon. Stop with the excuses. Time to grow up. After the Singletary TD, there was ample opportunity to get chunk passing yards on screen plays and they still couldn't do it. I don't care as much about the designed run fumble yesterday, I care more that when Allen stands in the pocket and scans the field, a lot of bad things happen. That's very concerning. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: WEEK 1: B- WEEK 2: B WEEK 3: C+ WEEK 4: F WEEK 5: B+ WEEK 7: B WEEK 8: D+ 16/34 - 169 yards - 2 TD's, 45 yards rushing, fumble Yes the field conditions were bad. Yes we didn't run the ball. Yes our defense let the Eagles run the ball over and over again, however good QB's keep you in the game regardless of that, and Josh Allen couldn't come up with a complete game to do that. The good: 3rd down conversions. He is so exciting to watch in those situations and I genuinely never feel like we are out of it when he has the ball in his hands. The bad: holding on to the ball too long and missing his WR's on easy routes. The ugly. the fumble inside 2 minutes, and frankly, his fumbles in general. 18 games. 16 fumbles. That is a huge concern. Overall - THE SKY IS NOT FALLING guys. It is his sophomore year and he is still progressing along just fine. I will say this though... our close victories should no longer mask some of the glaring holes this team has. We are not Super Bowl contenders yet, or even a playoff lock, but we are better than we were last year and as a true Bills fan you have to be excited about that. GO BILLS! Side note: huge thanks to Dave from the Salt Lake City Bills Backers club for hosting me while I was in town for a conference. Utah Bills Mafia are amazingly friendly and wonderful hosts. Nope, he wasnt great yesterday but he was better than a D+. Its more than just about comp and yards and it's a team game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I probably would say C- to perhaps a C Missed some throws, had ball security issues, and wasn't able to put the team on his back. That said, this was one of those games where he kind of looked like the team's only capable offensive player amidst a brutal game plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I probably would say C- to perhaps a C Missed some throws, had ball security issues, and wasn't able to put the team on his back. That said, this was one of those games where he kind of looked like the team's only capable offensive player amidst a brutal game plan. From the 300s I didn't see a whole lot of people running open, not a lot of missed opportunities. What I did see was a mind bogglingly bad game plan on offense and a defense weak up front, and pistol whipped. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I probably would say C- to perhaps a C Missed some throws, had ball security issues, and wasn't able to put the team on his back. That said, this was one of those games where he kind of looked like the team's only capable offensive player amidst a brutal game plan. this is where I am at. Schwartz is a good DC ... The weather was poor and Dabol has his head up his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: From the 300s I didn't see a whole lot of people running open, not a lot of missed opportunities. What I did see was a mind bogglingly bad game plan on offense and a defense weak up front, and pistol whipped. Can you say more about the offensive game plan from your 300s perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Can you say more about the offensive game plan from your 300s perspective? Two points: when your QB is your leading rusher because your RBs had a combined what 15 touches, something is amiss. Also, the QB sweep was a MANIFESTLY bad idea at that time, field position and distance. Just a poor call all around. There were yards to be had on this defense in the intermediate passing game, but Daboll felt himself too smart to exploit the defensive weakness of the opponent, yet again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: WEEK 1: B- WEEK 2: B WEEK 3: C+ WEEK 4: F WEEK 5: B+ WEEK 7: B WEEK 8: D+ 16/34 - 169 yards - 2 TD's, 45 yards rushing, fumble Yes the field conditions were bad. Yes we didn't run the ball. Yes our defense let the Eagles run the ball over and over again, however good QB's keep you in the game regardless of that, and Josh Allen couldn't come up with a complete game to do that. The good: 3rd down conversions. He is so exciting to watch in those situations and I genuinely never feel like we are out of it when he has the ball in his hands. The bad: holding on to the ball too long and missing his WR's on easy routes. The ugly. the fumble inside 2 minutes, and frankly, his fumbles in general. 18 games. 16 fumbles. That is a huge concern. Overall - THE SKY IS NOT FALLING guys. It is his sophomore year and he is still progressing along just fine. I will say this though... our close victories should no longer mask some of the glaring holes this team has. We are not Super Bowl contenders yet, or even a playoff lock, but we are better than we were last year and as a true Bills fan you have to be excited about that. GO BILLS! Side note: huge thanks to Dave from the Salt Lake City Bills Backers club for hosting me while I was in town for a conference. Utah Bills Mafia are amazingly friendly and wonderful hosts. Out of curiosity, what do you grade Wentz? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Score 24-13...Late in the 3rd qtr with the Bills around the Eagles 25, on 2nd down, Allen goes back to pass, and despite not being under pressure, just throws the ball away. With his mobility, he had plenty of time to buy some time and look for another option. Two plays later, the Bills turn the ball over on downs...game over. The coaches have him so screwed up in terms of not making a mistake, that he is just throwing the ball away multiple times a game despite having the ability to buy time and see if he can make a play with his arm or his legs. Edited October 28, 2019 by LabattBlue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: I turned to the guy next to me and we both agreed that Daboll should rip that play out of the playbook already, it has yet to yield good results Not true at all. It’s gotten us a TD and a few first downs in short yardage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Two points: when your QB is your leading rusher because your RBs had a combined what 15 touches, something is amiss. Also, the QB sweep was a MANIFESTLY bad idea at that time, field position and distance. Just a poor call all around. There were yards to be had on this defense in the intermediate passing game, but Daboll felt himself too smart to exploit the defensive weakness of the opponent, yet again. On paper, the Eagles are a weak pass D team and a stronger run D team. But sometimes I feel as though Daboll makes a game plan based upon what he sees on film and fails to adjust it quickly enough according to what is working or not that day. It was clear from the fumble on the 3rd play of the game (recovered by us) that the Eagles OL was going to test and target Allen's ball security, HARD. They're obviously gonna be working extra hard deep in our territory, when there's a chance for a quick 6 points. The dog and the neighbors dog were worried about me after the ST fumble recovery. We rush 6 yds, 8 yds, then pass pass pass pass WHAAAAAAAT! Lot of yelling here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: I turned to the guy next to me and we both agreed that Daboll should rip that play out of the playbook already, it has yet to yield good results That play has been successful for us all year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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