Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: How about when we were gifted a miffed punt? ...and Dabol called two horrific screen plays after Gore gained a first on two good runs. This team, for some reason, cannot execute and effective screen game. Edited October 28, 2019 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthernBills said: How about when we were gifted a miffed punt? To me, that’s where it unraveled. The offense did nothing with the short field and the D began to fade quickly after. Turnover on downs was the turning point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: That's why I don't think the brain trust saw this as "the year". These guys are aren't dumb and they knew they were thin at RB - both in number & talent. I could live with throwing the money at WR & OT but they still have to upgrade RB. I agree, but what's the deal with Singletary? I know he's been productive when given the opportunity, but a lot of those stats came on plays where he had a ton of room to run. He was a third round pick and you generally want to see relatively big production when you make that kind of investment. PLENTY of other rookie RB's are out there doing work. I don't really see the elusiveness or the kind of electric playmaking ability I'd like to see from a player who's role is to make splash plays. Maybe it's on Daboll. Maybe not. Either way, the offense desperately needs a player LIKE Singletary. Whether or not that player IS Singletary is a question mark. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: To me, that’s where it unraveled. The offense did nothing with the short field and the D began to fade quickly after. Turnover on downs was the turning point. I absolutely agree. That's when I personally deflated on my couch and resorted to dark spirits. I can't imagine what it did to the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, SouthernBills said: How about when we were gifted a miffed punt? We ran the ball twice and got a first down. We then got pass happy and on the 4th down throw Allen was late making the read and throw to Brown. That was a big opportunity that the offense did not take advantage of. But where you apparently see the QB as the main problem in that drive I see a lack of offensive play makers and an O-line that did not protect the QB very well as the main problem. But for me the game was lost after we had cut the Eagles lead to 17 - 13 with a nice 75 yard TD drive and our Defense allowed them to march the length of the field and go up 24 - 13. I's not a secret that the strength of this team is the Defense. Our offense, including our QB, are a work in progress. I would have loved to have gotten the ball back after 3 and outing the Eagles with the chance to take the lead, not just cut into the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yes I do. Regresses up if below the mean and down if above. Why do you ask? Oh, by the way, since you love QBR, can you tell us how the formula works? Or why it has been the subject of criticism? As for sample size, has Allen had a big enough sample size? What are you sampling? Have you done a power analysis? You sure you want to start down this road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, vincec said: Gailey ran it a lot more than that. The thing I do not understand with the "Allen sucks" crowd is, what do you expect. Many young qbs take 4-5 years to develop. Allen was drafted as a project with a high ceiling. He has played 18 games. Many of those starts were behind a poor oline and limited receiver options. While this project QB is learning, he has brought this team to a 5-2 start to the year. He is finding a way to win while he makes his young QB mistakes. Complaining about Josh at thus point in his career makes as much sense as those that complained about Tyrod winning the wrong way when he lead us to the playoffs. Those of you that want to declare Allen a bust should hope he is not. If Allen does not become our QB of the future, it will set our franchise back 5 years. It will most likely mean that McDermott and Beane will be gone as well . Then restart the whole process over again. Let's stop this silly arguing about Allen's short comings and focus on his strengths. He is showing improvement. Edited October 28, 2019 by longtimebillsfan 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I absolutely agree. That's when I personally deflated on my couch and resorted to dark spirits. I can't imagine what it did to the defense. You mean the defense that allowed a 70 yard TD run right out of the halftime locker room? Or do you mean the defense that after the Bills had a great drive to cut the lead to 17 - 13 gave up a long TD drive to go up 24 - 13? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: We ran the ball twice and got a first down. We then got pass happy and on the 4th down throw Allen was late making the read and throw to Brown. That was a big opportunity that the offense did not take advantage of. But where you apparently see the QB as the main problem in that drive I see a lack of offensive play makers and an O-line that did not protect the QB very well as the main problem. But for me the game was lost after we had cut the Eagles lead to 17 - 13 with a nice 75 yard TD drive and our Defense allowed them to march the length of the field and go up 24 - 13. I's not a secret that the strength of this team is the Defense. Our offense, including our QB, are a work in progress. I would have loved to have gotten the ball back after 3 and outing the Eagles with the chance to take the lead, not just cut into the lead. Agreed, that drive seemed to deflate the Bills Defense allowed the Eagles to dictate which is inexcusable given the Eagles lack of any explosive players on the outside and all of their injuries coming in. Also Eagles looked they didnt want to even be in Buffalo till the Allen fumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: The thing I do not understand with the "Allen sucks" crowd is, what do you expect. Many young tbs take 4-5 years to develop. Allen handcrafted as a project with a high ceiling. He has played 18 games. Many of those starts were behind a poor oline and limited receiver options. While this project QB is learning, he has brought this team to a 5-2 start to the year. He is finding a way to win while he makes his young QB mistakes. Complaining about Josh at thus point in his career makes as much sense as those that complained about Tyrod winning the wrong way when he lead us to the playoffs. Those of you that want to declare Allen a bust should hope he is not. If Allen does not become our QB of the future, it will set our franchise back 5 years. It will most likely mean that McDermott and Beane will be gone as well . Then restart the whole process over again. Let stop this silly arguing about Allen's short comings and focus on his strengths. He is showing improvement. He's doing great to this point, IMO. He was very raw coming out of college and was totally thrown to the wolves with this pass happy offense where he is a major running back too. But if he can survive it I think he will prosper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: You mean the defense that allowed a 70 yard TD run right out of the halftime locker room? Or do you mean the defense that after the Bills had a great drive to cut the lead to 17 - 13 gave up a long TD drive to go up 24 - 13? Who orchestrated that 75 yd Buffalo TD??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: You mean the defense that allowed a 70 yard TD run right out of the halftime locker room? Or do you mean the defense that after the Bills had a great drive to cut the lead to 17 - 13 gave up a long TD drive to go up 24 - 13? I think he means the defense that has given up over 300 on the ground last two games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: I absolutely agree. That's when I personally deflated on my couch and resorted to dark spirits. I can't imagine what it did to the defense. I’m not sure what the stats were from that point on, but it seems like the fight went out of the dog around then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, SouthernBills said: You must not care as much as I do. Am I going to B word and complain when I think fixable things are not being fixed, yes. Will I allow it to influence my day to day life? Of course not. I thought message boards were for this sort of thing. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. I don’t think the implication that caring is linked to or signaled by unbridled complaints would prove out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I agree, but what's the deal with Singletary? I know he's been productive when given the opportunity, but a lot of those stats came on plays where he had a ton of room to run. He was a third round pick and you generally want to see relatively big production when you make that kind of investment. PLENTY of other rookie RB's are out there doing work. I don't really see the elusiveness or the kind of electric playmaking ability I'd like to see from a player who's role is to make splash plays. Maybe it's on Daboll. Maybe not. Either way, the offense desperately needs a player LIKE Singletary. Whether or not that player IS Singletary is a question mark. he's probably a really good third down back Darren Sproles is probably his ceiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Those of you that want to declare Allen a bust should hope he is not. If Allen does not become our QB of the future, it will set our franchise back 5 years. It will most likely mean that McDermott and Beane will be gone as well . Then restart the whole process over again. I think Allen does enough things well that he's going to stick for a while. If he doesn't take a leap, then he's in the dreaded Tannehill/Marriota territory. No real Bills fans wants to see that. Expressing concerns DOES NOT=hoping those concerns continue or worsen. And I think we all know what's at stake with the Allen pick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Who orchestrated that 75 yd Buffalo TD??? 2 personal fouls? Edited October 28, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Allen certainly has his struggles, but he is improving and slowly learning from his mistakes (hero ball and sliding). This offensive roster is not there yet. Brown is not a real #1, he is a great #2. Beasley is a good #3 and the rest are good role players. We are lacking a true #1 opposite Brown who will win 50/50 balls. Knox is not there yet, and Kroft has shown me nothing. We are lacking a great TE also. The line is still in the works. The starting RB is playing well but he's close to drawing social security and is still getting outrushed by the QB. Not sure what to make of Singletary. Is he a lead back or more of a Sproles type? The overall offensive roster is below average at best, yet are 5-2. The roster can get better, but it probably won't happen this year. And if the Bills make the Playoffs, to me that's a successful season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Allen certainly has his struggles, but he is improving and slowly learning from his mistakes (hero ball and sliding). This offensive roster is not there yet. Brown is not a real #1, he is a great #2. Beasley is a good #3 and the rest are good role players. We are lacking a true #1 opposite Brown who will win 50/50 balls. Knox is not there yet, and Kroft has shown me nothing. We are lacking a great TE also. The line is still in the works. The starting RB is playing well but he's close to drawing social security and is still getting outrushed by the QB. Not sure what to make of Singletary. Is he a lead back or more of a Sproles type? The overall offensive roster is below average at best, yet are 5-2. The roster can get better, but it probably won't happen this year. And if the Bills make the Playoffs, to me that's a successful season. This is exactly right. We all need to take a chill pill and realize that with a win next week the Bills will be at 6 - 2 at the half way point of the season. That was the best case record I had them at in August. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: This is exactly right. We all need to take a chill pill and realize that with a win next week the Bills will be at 6 - 2 at the half way point of the season. That was the best case record I had them at in August. The Bills were exposed today, and it is good for them to find out now. They are not a finished product and they need additional talent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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