MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I would Continue posting on this subject but apparently I am not aloud. And don’t want to upset the “kids” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Lotulelei can hold the point of attack against double teams. He has superior strength at the position. Phillips is quicker but his base is significantly weaker, when he gets doubled he's going backwards off balance in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Space eaters are not liabilities, they're role players. The NFL is loaded with the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: ok 2 year for Star. At 10M bucks. Name me One impactful play he has made. How about Phillips' sack on Fitz that immediately preceded the White INT...Dolphins C is so worried about helping the RG w/doubling Lotulelei he leaves Phillips completely alone. At the end of the play he's still engaged with Lotulelei up high with the RG trying to double him low and they haven't moved him one inch backwards. Edited October 24, 2019 by GoBills808 lol said tanny instead of fitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Collectively, this message board doesn't understand how QB reads work, what an OC does besides call run v. pass plays, and the role of a MLB. It isn't exactly outside the realm of possibility that Star gets/got so many snaps because McD thinks he is doing his job well, and is absolutely not a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: I don't know about Star's performance, but I'd be willing to bet a bigger issue for the Run D last week was missing Milano. As for Star, I've seen stuff that says he's doing his job well this year. People won't agree on either end because, like most bills players, there's a lot of preconceived ideas about him. Contractually, he's probably overpaid, but It's not like we're using the money right now anyways. i watched him via TV. i do have concerns. he did not hold his ground well. Miami game was the first one i stayed focused on him. This might be his last year playing for Buffalo. and i have been a defender 48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He's still an automatic double team and if not he's going to walk his guy backward more often than not. Whether fans recognize the value of a Lotulelei type player is immaterial imo. Gettleman knows how to draft for defensive line, and McDermott needed to keep Kuechly/Davis and now Edmunds/Milano clean. nope theoretically correct. and what he was hired to do.. but watching last week i saw a fellow who could not get leverage. allow me admit i cannot see what he does all the time. not one for film study anymore Edited October 24, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: nope What's a nope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: How about Phillips' sack on Fitz that immediately preceded the White INT...Dolphins C is so worried about helping the RG w/doubling Lotulelei he leaves Phillips completely alone. At the end of the play he's still engaged with Lotulelei up high with the RG trying to double him low and they haven't moved him one inch backwards. and this is what we hope to see from him and his role week in week out. 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: What's a nope? he is not an automatic double team when he is ? Thats when D line wins the matchups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, 3rdand12 said: and this is what we hope to see from him and his role week in week out. That's what has been happening week in and week out. He's the only guy on the roster who can take a double team and not ground. He's just a lot stronger and better at maintaining leverage than anyone else at DT. People have undervalued him because he's had this role his entire time in the league. You can find a ton of press from Rivera and Short about how difficult Lotulelei's particular function on the line is and how it's hard to accurately assess his performance because it's not statistically significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: That's what has been happening week in and week out. He's the only guy on the roster who can take a double team and not ground. He's just a lot stronger and better at maintaining leverage than anyone else at DT. People have undervalued him because he's had this role his entire time in the league. You can find a ton of press from Rivera and Short about how difficult Lotulelei's particular function on the line is and how it's hard to accurately assess his performance because it's not statistically significant. I agree about how he has played his role. do not care about his contract btw. last week he was getting pushed and moved aside. every player has a rough outing. If Offenses are keying on him then thats a success really. but i just did not see a good game from him last week overall. I was trying to watch the runs in between tackles and Edmund development, so i ended up watching D line as while : ) Edited October 24, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, 3rdand12 said: I agree about how he has played his role. do not care about his contract btw. last week he was getting pushed and moved aside. every player has a rough outing. If Offenses are keying on him then thats a success really. but i just did not see a good game from him last week overall. I was trying to watch the runs in between tackles and Edmund development, so i ended up watching D line as while : ) ?I think the unit as a whole underperformed against Miami so I agree. My issue with this thread is that it asks whether he's a liability on the line when he's actually their best performing DT week in and week out. He's always the check for the offensive line when he's in. Phillips and Oliver give up too much leverage and position against anything other than 1v1s. Even then they often lose their base on run plays. Lotulelei is just a more complete and much stronger anchor for the line right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: ?I think the unit as a whole underperformed against Miami so I agree. My issue with this thread is that it asks whether he's a liability on the line when he's actually their best performing DT week in and week out. He's always the check for the offensive line when he's in. Phillips and Oliver give up too much leverage and position against anything other than 1v1s. Even then they often lose their base on run plays. Lotulelei is just a more complete and much stronger anchor for the line right now. Got to have a Star type Tech in this defense, He got plenty of reps ( ? ) seemingly last week . So McD saw something. he could leverage. Star is hardly a liability, but he certainly is situational player with strengths and limitations . we agree generally : ) i do think they will look to draft a 1 tech or NT of some sort to anchor down that line of scrimmage in the middle. Phillips and Phillips are not that guy. If Star is starting next year i won't rant. thanks808 ! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: He's still an automatic double team and if not he's going to walk his guy backward more often than not. Whether fans recognize the value of a Lotulelei type player is immaterial imo. Gettleman knows how to draft for defensive line, and McDermott needed to keep Kuechly/Davis and now Edmunds/Milano clean. I just rewatched the game keeping an eye on Star and it was interesting. I'm using your post to reply in general 808. From the way I saw it Star had a number of double teams (may somewhere around half the time) and he got moved around pretty good on some and was a rock on others. Something that was strange was when he was single teamed he stayed engaged and didn't shed the blocker or even moved them much. I didn't see the bolded part of your post very much at all. I don't see Star as a liability at all but didn't see anything outstanding either. One other thing I did notice was on most of the long runs by Miami Star was not on the field. FWIW 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I said so at the time that this was an absolutely terrible contract. Star's play has been diminishing for years and already had been in the two years before the Bills got him. He had a couple good years in the beginning with the Panthers. His job description and responsibilities haven't changed since then, his performance has. He has consistently been one of the lowest rated dts in the league for years now. Before you tell me his job is to eat space realize that he is not the only dt in the league who has that responsibility, but he has consistently been one of the lowest rated at doing that job. It was a horrible contract at signing and it still is now. Beane has made a lot of good moves but this wasn't one of them imo. Nobody is perfect. That said, let's hope the Bills find a way to mask that weakness in their line and keep winning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Why does saying a player sucks offend you? It doesn’t, it makes me laugh, 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Edited October 24, 2019 by Don Otreply Duplicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Looks like after next season... Year Age Base Salary Signing Roster Workout Cap Hit Dead Cap Yearly Cash 2018 28 $3,500,000 $2,600,000 $500,000 $100,000 $6,700,000 $18,600,000 $17,100,000($17,100,000) 2019 29 $7,150,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 $250,000 $11,500,000 $18,800,000 $8,900,000($26,000,000) 2020 30 $6,250,000 $2,600,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 $10,100,000 $7,800,000 $7,500,000($33,500,000) Potential Out: 2021, 3 yr, $33,500,000; $5,200,000 dead cap 2021 31 $6,500,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 $250,000 $10,850,000 $5,200,000 $8,250,000($41,750,000) 2022 32 $6,500,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 $250,000 $10,850,000 $2,600,000 $8,250,000($50,000,000) That is a long time to have someone under contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 My view on him is that he's OK but is vastly overpaid. However, he's on the team, he knows the defensive plans, and we'll be happy we have him if any other DTs get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 His snaps are down on last year. And they are down because he is not very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: His snaps are down on last year. And they are down because he is not very good. Harrison was getting the majority of snaps at 1 before he was injured! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I know every team has injuries, but getting Horrible Harry back next year will be like an extra high draft pick in an area where he can really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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