longtimebillsfan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: After seeing Josh Allen's first performance in pre-season last year, I started a thread title "For the love of God, just name Josh Allen the starter" (Mods later changed thread title). To me Allen is the most likable guy in the NFL, and the most fun to watch. I so much want him to succeed. Yesterday's game troubled me quite a bit. With two weeks to prepare for the worst team in the NFL, Singletary back, a upgraded receiving corp including glue hands Duke Williams and Tyler Kroft active, I expected the offense to be hitting on nearly all cylinders. it appears to me now that Allen and Daboll are simply not a good combination. Daboll seems to be committed to developing Allen to play in the Daboll system rather than developing a system to optimize Allen's considerable physical skills. At this point I am not sure they will be successful together. There is a legitimate school of thought to say that there is a proper way to play NFL QB and Allen needs to learn that. At the same time I think it is legitimate to say that some teams have been successful (Russell Wison) adapting an offense to take advantage of a particular QBs skill set. I am not sure which is right. I will say that I think Daboll's offense would work identically well with Jared Goff as our QB, and I think that leaves a lot of Josh Allen's skill set unused. I don't want to turn Allen into Goff. Young quarterbacks have up and down performances. Come in off the ledge. It will be okay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: That is not it....it is a example. He threw that under direct pressure.....in stride....to a speeding receiver. That shows he CAN do it......but is having issues with it at the moment. I get it. But many guys can do it occasionally. The reality is thus far in his career he has issues the majority of the time. This year and last year. In college he was not great at deep balls. We seem to confuse his ability to throw far and hard with the ability to connect with receivers on those balls. He has the potential to be good at based on his arm strength just not skilled at it as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, benderbender said: The biggest head scratcher for me was his scramble in which he evaded 3 potential sacks and STILL didn’t throw it away. But otherwise I’d rather him overthrow a deep ball receiver than to underthrow. It was 3rd down, right? 4th and 14 or 4th and 10. Out of field goal range. It didn't matter. He knew that. Throwing it away was a certain punt. Scrambling coulda maybe gotten it. 6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Long ball is the new completion percentage. When that gets fixed, the same folks will find the next thing. Right? 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: I get it. But many guys can do it occasionally. The reality is thus far in his career he has issues the majority of the time. This year and last year. In college he was not great at deep balls. We seem to confuse his ability to throw far and hard with the ability to connect with receivers on those balls. He has the potential to be good at based on his arm strength just not skilled at it as of now. He wasn't great at deep balls in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: right? The DEFENSE is the reason that game was close. They underperformed mightily. The O put up 24 points. Nobody EVER wants to blame the defense, but you are right. Up until Tre’s INT, they absolutely sucked. Period. it’s hilarious to me no matter how bad the D is at times, they always seem to get a pass. The lack of any competent quarterback over the years has made us all gun shy. Even when we do have a guy that is 10-7 as a starter it’s not good enough. Some of you should be ashamed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Philo said: Josh has played arguably his most complete and mistake free games the last two weeks and now people are concerned?? He's not put A COMPLETE, Consistent game together yet, he plays differently at times in the game and so IN THAT there are things that concern people. Bigger picture You are right about the last two weeks (aside from the one pick in the Titans game). More aware of the game situation, throwing the ball away. He's done what was asked of him to do, to be more responsibile. He was more hesitant at the start of the dolphins game I thought, looked like he didn't want to throw a pick - but who can blame him?? However this indecisiveness at times is what Allen has shown AS WELL AS THE GOOD. After the half against the dolphins he was GREAT. You can't ask for more there. Allen looked the business. At other times you can ask for more and be concerned about what's going on - he clicks into gear, but when he's not in that gear it's all a bit more messy and odd. There needs to be a conversation about these points without people thinking posters are saying Allen is all bad. As long as he puts those clutch drives in a game he will win games for the bills. DONT IGNORE what is there in games - there's the great Allen when he clicks into gear and and there's the indecisive Allen who looks 'nervous'. No one wants a different quarterback at this point but to shut down all talk of his inadequacies is ignorant. Edited October 21, 2019 by london_bills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Sounds like you missed the Miami game where he scored 5 tds. There’s your wow moment How many yards did he throw for??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: How many yards did he throw for??? Who cares.....yards are not even a measurement of productivity anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Who cares.....yards are not even a measurement of productivity anyway They were when tyrod was qb. Allen is beginning to look like Tyrod 2.0. Missed multiple wide open passes yesterday, was indecisive with the ball on multiple occasions, and still hasn't put up a passing clinic even with a revamped oline, backfield, and Wr corps. We are winning and its great, but he needs to take the next step. Im not seeing it, and its becoming worrisome. You dont draft a qb in round one to be a game manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: They were when tyrod was qb. Allen is beginning to look like Tyrod 2.0. Missed multiple wide open passes yesterday, was indecisive with the ball on multiple occasions, and still hasn't put up a passing clinic even with a revamped oline, backfield, and Wr corps. We are winning and its great, but he needs to take the next step. Im not seeing it, and its becoming worrisome. You dont draft a qb in round one to be a game manager. I wouldn't go that far. The main difference between Allen and Tyrod is that Allen can lead game winning drives with more regularity. He's more of a clutch player. I remember Tyrod playing great against Seattle and then couldn't seal the TD at the end. I agree that Allen is inconsistent and indecisive but I saw him be consistent and decisive also in the second half. Edited October 21, 2019 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: They were when tyrod was qb. Allen is beginning to look like Tyrod 2.0. Missed multiple wide open passes yesterday, was indecisive with the ball on multiple occasions, and still hasn't put up a passing clinic even with a revamped oline, backfield, and Wr corps. We are winning and its great, but he needs to take the next step. Im not seeing it, and its becoming worrisome. You dont draft a qb in round one to be a game manager. You realize Brady is a game manager, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: They were when tyrod was qb. Allen is beginning to look like Tyrod 2.0. Missed multiple wide open passes yesterday, was indecisive with the ball on multiple occasions, and still hasn't put up a passing clinic even with a revamped oline, backfield, and Wr corps. We are winning and its great, but he needs to take the next step. Im not seeing it, and its becoming worrisome. You dont draft a qb in round one to be a game manager. In no way shape or form does Josh Allen look like Tyrod Taylor....who struggled to get to 200 yards passing (and I was a TT supporter) Josh Allen throws for a minimum of 200 yards and it is more like 250 yards a game in his SECOND YEAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: In no way shape or form does Josh Allen look like Tyrod Taylor....who struggled to get to 200 yards passing (and I was a TT supporter) Josh Allen throws for a minimum of 200 yards and it is more like 250 yards a game in his SECOND YEAR Forget the yards. Look at the presence and drives WHEN ALLEN IS GOOD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, london_bills said: Forget the yards. Look at the presence and drives WHEN ALLEN IS GOOD. Then there was the whole "Make Tyrod Taylor be a QB" thing In crunchtime.....when they make Josh Allen be a QB....he is....and a good one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: Then there was the whole "Make Tyrod Taylor be a QB" thing In crunchtime.....when they make Josh Allen be a QB....he is....and a good one I think when Allen plays badly he is worse than Tyrod was, Tyrod was decent. When Allen plays his best he's on a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: In no way shape or form does Josh Allen look like Tyrod Taylor....who struggled to get to 200 yards passing (and I was a TT supporter) Josh Allen throws for a minimum of 200 yards and it is more like 250 yards a game in his SECOND YEAR It really doesn't matter who Josh looks like a year into his career. What matters is the trajectory Josh is on. Considering he had a crappy offense around him last year and a new cast around him this year, I'm pleasantly surprised at how well and how quickly he's growing. Success breeds success and too many fan are expecting too much too soon. Edited October 21, 2019 by Pokebball 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Pokebball said: It really doesn't matter who Josh looks like a year into his career. What matters is the trajectory Josh is on. Considering he had a crappy offense around him last year and an new cast around him this year, I'm pleasantly surprised at how well and how quickly he's growing. Success breeds success and too many fan are expecting too much too soon. I just don't understand how the deep ball went from something to look forward to, to never hitting on one one yet this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, london_bills said: Tyrod was decent Nope he really wasn’t. He’s where he belongs as a backup QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: I just don't understand how the deep ball went from something to look forward to, to never hitting on one one yet this season. That's a weird one the long ball. I feel his shorter game is better than it was so there is that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: They were when tyrod was qb. No, points were. We were top 12 and top 10 in points in '15 and '16... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, london_bills said: That's a weird one the long ball. I feel his shorter game is better than it was so there is that! Yeah, but I want both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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