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[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Buddy punched the air when Von Miller went #2 and left Dareus on the board.

Are you sure he wasn’t just awakening from a nightmare?

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Jets beating the Pats will not win you the division. Jets getting on a roll may cost us a wildcard spot. We need to beat some teams that are over .500 to keep things serious about winning the division.

 

If from this point forward the NYJ win 3 games more than the Bills with one of their wins against the Bills they would deserve a playoff spot.

Sunday I will be rooting for the Bills and the Jets.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

29 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

If from this point forward the NYJ win 3 games more than the Bills with one of their wins against the Bills they would deserve a playoff spot.

Sunday I will be rooting for the Bills and the Jets.

On Monday night, the Jets (1-4) face the New England Patriots (6-0)...

 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

On Monday night, the Jets (1-4) face the New England Patriots (6-0)...

 

 

I will adjust my calendar. lol

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

 

 

As for that game last night..... being a Broncos fan must suck these days. They are a terrible offense to watch, have an uninspiring Head Coach who is looking like an over promoted Defensive Coordinator at the moment, an ageing but still competent defense and an ageing and now less than competent Quarterback. Add that to a GM with seemingly no rebuilding strategy and whose eye for a Quarterback since he took the job (beyond recognising Peyton Manning was pretty good) has been an abject failure..... it is not a well set up organisation at this moment.

 

The worst part as a fan must be that Flacco looks like he couldn't care less. Elway likes a QB? You better RUN from the thought of signing that guy. If I were Fangio, I would just go with the kid. It really couldn't get any worse than Flacco, and if it did, so what? They've 2-5.

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't quite agree on the 2017 roster. I thought that was an 8-8 team. He eeked everything out of them and they got a 9th win and made it in and he did a fantastic job refocussing the team after that awful Jets - Saints - Chargers slide and his Peterman error.

 

I would say they could have gone into the season with a relatively talented roster. Once they traded Sammy and then Dareus midseason, the talent level fell off big time. Only minor point of contention. I would also add that I'm unsure if McD can ever be the ULTIMATE winner; I don't know that he has what it takes to beat a Belichick, Payton, or a Pederson(yeah, bad year) or whoever else emerges. But I fully believe he's a guy who's gonna get borderline playoff teams INTO the playoffs. After 20 years of purgatory, that's good enough for now.

Edited October 19, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I would say they could have gone into the season with a relatively talented roster. Once they traded Sammy and then Dareus midseason, the talent level fell off big time. Only minor point of contention. I would also add that I'm unsure if McD can ever be the ULTIMATE winner; I don't know that he has what it takes to beat a Belichick, Payton, or a Pederson(yeah, bad year) or whoever else emerges. But I fully believe he's a guy who's gonna get borderline playoff teams INTO the playoffs. After 20 years of purgatory, that's good enough for now.

 

 

Well, McD has been a head coach for under 3 years. So how could one even attempt to make that call now? I will say, he's shown me he MAY be that guy. But in so short a period of time, there is no way to say he IS that guy. I don't think anyone knew Belicheat was Belicheat 2 1/2 years into his HC career. Putting that sign on anyone after so short a time, is a bit presumptuous, IMO. A coach can have all the stars align and show all the signs of being one of the "great ones" very early in his career. But what about 10 years later? We've see guys win Super Bowls then disappear (SF had two in a row )*.

 

All I'm saying is, not knowing if McDermott can be a giant slayer is the right answer because you never know at this stage. But even thinking it's POSSIBLE for him, is something that can't be said of many (most?) new head coaches in the league.

 

So what am I really saying?  I guess I agree with what you said (if that is what you meant). Only in a very wordy fashion. 

 

 

Edit: Seifert was so bad, I guess I counted him twice. My bad.

Edited October 19, 2019 by The Dean

[LSHMEAB]

9 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Well, McD has been a head coach for under 3 years. So how could one even attempt to make that call now? I will say, he's shown me he MAY be that guy. But in so short a period of time, there is no way to say he IS that guy. I don't think anyone knew Belicheat was Belicheat 2 1/2 years into his HC career. Putting that sign on anyone after so short a time, is a bit presumptuous, IMO. A coach can have all the stars align and show all the signs of being one of the "great ones" very early in his career. But what about 10 years later? We've see guys win Super Bowls then disappear (SF had two in a row).

 

All I'm saying is, not knowing if McDermott can be a giant slayer is the right answer because you never know at this stage. But even thinking it's POSSIBLE for him, is something that can't be said of many (most?) new head coaches in the league.

 

So what am I really saying?  I guess I agree with what you said (if that is what you meant). Only in a very wordy fashion. 

 

Yes. I wasn't making any projections about his ability to be a TOP HC; one able to beat the very best. I will say it's not great that he hasn't beaten BB in 5 chances, but he hasn't had the team, or the QB for that matter. He definitely has TB's number, so they're close. So again, no way to know. I'm simply stating what has occurred and adding zero hypothetical spin.

 

The reason I created the post is because I really do like McD as a HC. Much more so than others it SEEMS. I see tons of Beane love; tons of Allen love/projection. I don't see nearly as much respect for the job McDermott has already DONE. So my intention was to highlight the fact that McDermott has proven results in relation to the other members of the big 3; Really the antithesis of projection. 

Edited October 19, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yes. I wasn't making any projections about his ability to be a TOP HC; one able to beat the very best. I will say it's not great that he hasn't beaten BB in 5 chances, but he hasn't had the team, or the QB for that matter. He definitely has TB's number, so they're close. So again, no way to know. I'm simply stating what has occurred and adding zero hypothetical spin.

 

The reason I created the post is because I really do like McD as a HC. Much more so than others it SEEMS. I see tons of Beane love; tons of Allen love/projection. I don't see nearly as much respect for the job McDermott has already DONE. So my intention was to highlight the fact that McDermott has proven results in relation to the other members of the big 3; Really the antithesis of projection. 

 

 

Gotcha. 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

The worst part as a fan must be that Flacco looks like he couldn't care less. Elway likes a QB? You better RUN from the thought of signing that guy. If I were Fangio, I would just go with the kid. It really couldn't get any worse than Flacco, and if it did, so what? They've 2-5.

 

Lock is still on IR. 

6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I would say they could have gone into the season with a relatively talented roster. Once they traded Sammy and then Dareus midseason, the talent level fell off big time. Only minor point of contention. I would also add that I'm unsure if McD can ever be the ULTIMATE winner; I don't know that he has what it takes to beat a Belichick, Payton, or a Pederson(yeah, bad year) or whoever else emerges. But I fully believe he's a guy who's gonna get borderline playoff teams INTO the playoffs. After 20 years of purgatory, that's good enough for now.

 

Yea trading away Dareus definitely hurt because there was absolutely nothing behind him. Adolphus Washington is the worst player I have ever seen get multiple games as a starter for the Bills. They were 5-2 with Dareus and 4-6 (including the playoff loss) without him. 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

The reason I created the post is because I really do like McD as a HC. Much more so than others it SEEMS. I see tons of Beane love; tons of Allen love/projection. I don't see nearly as much respect for the job McDermott has already DONE. So my intention was to highlight the fact that McDermott has proven results in relation to the other members of the big 3; Really the antithesis of projection. 

 

And this I absolutely agree with. 

[Protocal69]

20 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If from this point forward the NYJ win 3 games more than the Bills with one of their wins against the Bills they would deserve a playoff spot.

Sunday I will be rooting for the Bills and the Jets.

The Jets already beat the Cowboys, so if they beat the Pats, us and 1 other team team the Bills lose to well there is your 3 game lead and wild card spot right there. I would rather not roll the dice. Don’t cry if that plays out all because you want the Jetsbto win.

[Success]

How could any Bills fan not want the Jets over the Pats?  Are we so beaten down that we’re conceding the division in October, 1 game back?

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

The Jets already beat the Cowboys, so if they beat the Pats, us and 1 other team team the Bills lose to well there is your 3 game lead and wild card spot right there. I would rather not roll the dice. Don’t cry if that plays out all because you want the Jetsbto win.

 

I won't and I'm still rooting for the Jets on Monday night.

6 minutes ago, Success said:

How could any Bills fan not want the Jets over the Pats?  Are we so beaten down that we’re conceding the division in October, 1 game back?

 

Apparently so.

[Protocal69]

20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I won't and I'm still rooting for the Jets on Monday night.

 

Apparently so.

It’s not conceding the division but it’s not putting all your eggs in one basket. If the Pats are going to take some loses it would rather to be Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, etc and not to a team like Jets who playoffs aspirations include walking down the Bills. We can win the division by handling our business vs the Pats. Keep sleeping on the Jets. Hate to say it but we have played a cakewalk schedule and the Jets have played all hard team. The cake part of their schedule is coming up soon. Don’t be surprised if they win 8 in a row and walk down the Bills if the Bills lose to Cowboys, Ravens, Browns, ect

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

It’s not conceding the division but it’s not putting all your eggs in one basket. If the Pats are going to take some loses it would rather to be Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, etc and not to a team like Jets who playoffs aspirations include walking down the Bills. We can win the division by handling our business vs the Pats. Keep sleeping on the Jets. Hate to say it but we have played a cakewalk schedule and the Jets have played all hard team. The cake part of their schedule is coming up soon. Don’t be surprised if they win 8 in a row and walk down the Bills if the Bills lose to Cowboys, Ravens, Browns, ect

 

If the Jets go 9-2 from here and end up with a 10-6 record and the Bills go 5-6 and end up with a 9-7 record then the Jets deserve a playoff spot and

the Bills don't.

 

Still rooting for the NYJ on Monday.  I cannot and refuse to root for TB, BB and the pats*.

[Protocal69]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If the Jets go 9-2 from here and end up with a 10-6 record and the Bills go 5-6 and end up with a 9-7 record then the Jets deserve a playoff spot and

the Bills don't.

 

Still rooting for the NYJ on Monday.  I cannot and refuse to root for TB, BB and the pats*.

Ok. Sounds good

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

The Jets already beat the Cowboys, so if they beat the Pats, us and 1 other team team the Bills lose to well there is your 3 game lead and wild card spot right there. I would rather not roll the dice. Don’t cry if that plays out all because you want the Jetsbto win.

 

Even if that were the case they would still have to win in Buffalo week 17. I don't think the Jets will win this game but even if they do I don't think they are catching the Bills this season. Though they certainly would still be wildcard contenders in their own right. I don't see the Bills losing many games. 

[Protocal69]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Even if that were the case they would still have to win in Buffalo week 17. I don't think the Jets will win this game but even if they do I don't think they are catching the Bills this season. Though they certainly would still be wildcard contenders in their own right. I don't see the Bills losing many games. 

I hope you are right. Go Bills

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Lock is still on IR. 

 

I meant the Allen "kid." Honestly, it looks to me like Flacco has zero blanks to give. They showed a close up on a pass that got batted down and he just had a look of "whatever" or something along those lines. Not a psychologist, but I play one on message boards. 

 

It's cliche at this point to crack jokes about Elway's inability to judge QB's but man; this guy was perhaps the best to ever play the position. Zero ability to evaluate.

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, Success said:

How could any Bills fan not want the Jets over the Pats?  Are we so beaten down that we’re conceding the division in October, 1 game back?

Two AFCE teams. Can’t root for either, so I just root for them to beat the crap out of each other.  Whatever happens happens, you don’t pull for a division rival unless it gives your team the division or puts them in the playoffs. Way too soon for that. 

[mannc]

3 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

It’s not conceding the division but it’s not putting all your eggs in one basket. If the Pats are going to take some loses it would rather to be Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, etc and not to a team like Jets who playoffs aspirations include walking down the Bills. We can win the division by handling our business vs the Pats. Keep sleeping on the Jets. Hate to say it but we have played a cakewalk schedule and the Jets have played all hard team. The cake part of their schedule is coming up soon. Don’t be surprised if they win 8 in a row and walk down the Bills if the Bills lose to Cowboys, Ravens, Browns, ect

Let’s not overthink this.

 

On Monday night, for three hours, we are all Jets fans.

[Protocal69]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Let’s not overthink this.

 

On Monday night, for three hours, we are all Jets fans.

Im going to trust the process. Go Jets? Still doesn’t feel right to say

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

Im going to trust the process. Go Jets? Still doesn’t feel right to say

How about this...The field opens up and both teams are swallowed up.  Problem solved.

[The Dean]

2 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Im going to trust the process. Go Jets? Still doesn’t feel right to say

 

 

It's never going to feel right to say. Can you imagine "Go Pats*!" or "Go Fins!" sounding right?

 

Yes, I hope the Jet's win against the Pats*. But I'm not so much rooting for the Jets as I am rooting much harder against the Cheatriots.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 10/18/2019 at 6:59 PM, LSHMEAB said:

The worst part as a fan must be that Flacco looks like he couldn't care less. Elway likes a QB? You better RUN from the thought of signing that guy. If I were Fangio, I would just go with the kid. It really couldn't get any worse than Flacco, and if it did, so what? They've 2-5.

 

Yeah, Elway has really "gone to the well twice too often" with his QB strategy.

 

Having won a Superbowl with an outstanding defense and one of the best football minds of all time stuck in an ailing body, his QB strategy since then has been puzzling in the extreme.  Two years of Trevor Siemian, really?  A year of Case Keenum (hey, Pat Shurmer won with him!) and now a year of Joe Flacco (he won a Superbowl once!).  Meanwhile he totally failed to put in place the offensive pieces that allowed Keenum and Flacco to succeed in their day - the stout OL, the stout run game, and the catch radius/vertical leap WR.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I meant the Allen "kid." Honestly, it looks to me like Flacco has zero blanks to give. They showed a close up on a pass that got batted down and he just had a look of "whatever" or something along those lines. Not a psychologist, but I play one on message boards.

 

I know nothing about the Allen kid, but unless he's mobile along the lines of our Allen I think just about any QB would get pummeled behind that OL.

 

I think Flacco is suffering from an existential pit of despair, a "Black Night of the Soul".  It must be hideously galling to a proud professional who was once Superbowl Champion, at the pinnacle of his profession and legitimately very good for 7 years, to go out there series after series, knowing that most of the plays he is calling have zero chance to succeed.  He won't get the time he needs to make them succeed from the line, and he lacks the mobility he needs to  extend plays himself. 

All this after first having been kicked to the curb by the team he won a championships for and helped take to the playoffs 6 times in 7 years, in favor of a young whippersnapper who threw "ducks" last year, and to now see said whippersnapper succeeding with his old team. 

 

Truthfully, and I'm sure he was offered it as an option, he should have honorably retired as a Raven last year.  But I understand the attraction to see if he could pull a Manning.

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I know nothing about the Allen kid, but unless he's mobile along the lines of our Allen I think just about any QB would get pummeled behind that OL.

 

I think Flacco is suffering from an existential pit of despair, a "Black Night of the Soul".  It must be hideously galling to a proud professional who was once Superbowl Champion, at the pinnacle of his profession and legitimately very good for 7 years, to go out there series after series, knowing that most of the plays he is calling have zero chance to succeed.  He won't get the time he needs to make them succeed from the line, and he lacks the mobility he needs to  extend plays himself. 

All this after first having been kicked to the curb by the team he won a championships for and helped take to the playoffs 6 times in 7 years, in favor of a young whippersnapper who threw "ducks" last year, and to now see said whippersnapper succeeding with his old team. 

 

Truthfully, and I'm sure he was offered it as an option, he should have honorably retired as a Raven last year.  But I understand the attraction to see if he could pull a Manning.

I agree with just about everything, but I don't think the Allen kid could be any more IMMOBILE. They made a big investment for Flacco and I don't even really fault him for his performance behind said O line, but I think it's time to pull the plug. It's just not going to work. I'm sure they'll stick with Flacco until they're inevitably eliminated from playoff contention, but what a horrible mismatch between that line and Joe. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

I agree with just about everything, but I don't think the Allen kid could be any more IMMOBILE. They made a big investment for Flacco and I don't even really fault him for his performance behind said O line, but I think it's time to pull the plug. It's just not going to work. I'm sure they'll stick with Flacco until they're inevitably eliminated from playoff contention, but what a horrible mismatch between that line and Joe.

 

Not just that line and Joe, but the play calling.  At least IMO, though TBH I don't know the details of how Flacco is most comfortable.

 

The kid might be more mobile, but as we've seen with our "dual threat", being able to extend the play without equal ability to diagnose the D and figure out where to go with the ball can go just as bad in a different way.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

It’s not conceding the division but it’s not putting all your eggs in one basket. If the Pats are going to take some loses it would rather to be Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, etc and not to a team like Jets who playoffs aspirations include walking down the Bills. We can win the division by handling our business vs the Pats. Keep sleeping on the Jets. Hate to say it but we have played a cakewalk schedule and the Jets have played all hard team. The cake part of their schedule is coming up soon. Don’t be surprised if they win 8 in a row and walk down the Bills if the Bills lose to Cowboys, Ravens, Browns, ect

 

In addition to 6-0 Pats and the 4-1 Bills, the Jets have played the 2-4 Browns, the 3-3 Iggles, and the 3-3 Boys.  They're not cellar dwellers but they're not "hard teams" either.  They are "bubble teams" who can swing either way.  Bills have played 6-0 Patriots, 1-4 Jets, 0-6 Bengals, 2-4 Giants, 2-4 Titans.

 

Jets opponents have a current combined record of 18-11. 

 

Bills opponents have a current combined record of 11-18.   Arguably the Jets were a better team when we played them, the Giants perhaps a worse team.

Have they played a somewhat stronger schedule to date, sure, but the difference is really about 1 team and 1 game for 1 team at this point (0-6 Bengals vs 4-1 Bills)

 

One question is whether the Bills D is as legit as it looks.  Yes, we have played some opponents with poor records, but our D did an incredible job against the two best teams we've played (Patriots and Titans) despite spotting them piles of turnovers.    The Turnovers Must Stop.

Sam Darnold looked "all world" last week against the 'Boys and the team for sure rallied around him, but the Boys have played opponents with a record of 14-20.  The Boys D didn't look so snazzy against the Packers and Jets.  Either they've got someone crucial who's playing hurt, or they might not be quite as good as the first few games made them look.  We'll see how Sam Darnold looks against the Patriots***