Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The infrastructure needs to be alot more than modified to make it super accessible I'm not the only one saying that People act like it's a guarente it's going downtown and that is far from a fact It takes 1-3 hours to get of OP as you even said, Downtown would be WAY worse Truth Buffalo is nothing like NYC transportation wise People will adapt, they always do. that and there are far fewer people in Buffalo, even at entry and exit times of games, and yes no one knows for certain if or were a new stadium will be built, but the likelihood of The Pegulas wanting the stadium near their sports entertainment businesses is a relative high probability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: People will adapt, they always do. that and there are far fewer people in Buffalo, even at entry and exit times of games, and yes no one knows for certain if or were a new stadium will be built, but the likelihood of The Pegulas wanting the stadium near their sports entertainment businesses is a relative high probability. The sabres have played Downtown for 50 years the Bills haven't for 45 years for alot of reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Unless you are accustomed to public transportation a person is not going to readily adapt to it. That is the difference between Yankee stadium which is in a metropolitan area that makes great use of public transportation and Western New York where most people drive their own vehicle to get to where they want to go. Should the new stadium be downtown people will adapt, they always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said: It's sterile. I agree with you. I haven't been to the arena since the 2003-2004 renovations. But I have to say I thought it was a great place to watch a hockey game. I sat in regular seats, as well as a luxury box. Have things gotten worse? Or is it that fans today just need pampering and care about things other than watching the game (one they paid a hefty price to attend)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Don Otreply said: Should the new stadium be downtown people will adapt, they always do. They will proceed in their own way. In fair weather and nothing going on for the rest of Sunday and an easy day on Monday people will not be too deterred. At the same time I would bet that it will affect the decisions of a number of people to purchase seats if the experience is not to their liking in the better going. If I am not happy with getting in and out on a slow day in September I doubt I will buy seats for a meh opponent at a time when snow and ice can be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I thought the winning design calls for this: How are cars going to go down that thing. Can't wait till it snows... Be like the toboggan chutes @ Chestnut Ridge Park? Nothing but a feel good contest by Cuomo. I’d bet the house that the Skyway is still here for at least 20 years if not, 30-40. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: The sabres have played Downtown for 50 years the Bills haven't for 45 years for alot of reasons Much has changed in Buffalo over the last forty-five years, lots of unused space, much easier to build and modify the traffic flow, times and attitudes have changed, Buffalo is growing again, and that is s very good thing for Buffalo and the surrounding bedroom communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Should the new stadium be downtown people will adapt, they always do. The adaption is called television. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Should the new stadium be downtown people will adapt, they always do. But when it comes down to Downtown Buffalo, they usually don't... "Build it and they will come" doesn't apply... Unless it's free. Buffalo was one city killed by roads. Expressways. Buffalo was the first all paved city in the U.S. (for obvious winter reasons)... We have an expressway (Scajaquada) going right through Delaware Park & another(Niagara Section) hugging the water that should have been built further inland. Buffalo is designed to move people through and out... Not linger in. 6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Nothing but a feel good contest by Cuomo. I’d bet the house that the Skyway is still here for at least 20 years if not, 30-40. Oh... I see what you're saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: They will proceed in their own way. In fair weather and nothing going on for the rest of Sunday and an easy day on Monday people will not be too deterred. At the same time I would bet that it will affect the decisions of a number of people to purchase seats if the experience is not to their liking in the better going. If I am not happy with getting in and out on a slow day in September I doubt I will buy seats for a meh opponent at a time when snow and ice can be expected. Certainly your choice to be a fan the way you like, but you do realize that your former seat will have another backside in it watching the game in the new domed stadium not freezing it’s backside off while snow removal continues outside, right? And its not like it’s perfect conditions in OP on a snowy weekend... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 One more thought on a covered stadium. Now I admit I've only been to about 4-5 football games inside. I didn't like the experience at ANY of them. Way too artificial for my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: The NFL is full of Multi billionaires, making billions of dollars annually, and many counties have torn down their old stadiums, and “written it off” within the deal made with the multi billionaires to put up a bigger and better version. Tax payers come last, and are only given lip service, the true financial manipulations will never see the light of day, you and I both know this to be true. None of us know what the monopoly will do, we only speculate on what might occur. Me, if they are gonna build a new one, make it multi use, domed and put it in the city of Buffalo, were it will have the best odds of being a good thing for the little businesses, restauranteurs, bar owners, etc, and even new hotel owners, it’s good for the tax base of the City, Sleepy bedroom communities (suburbs) don’t need or generally want a bunch of drunk sports fans in there towns anyways, ? yeah, i’m Pro city, won’t deny it... Go Bills!!! Municipalities can't "write off" a stadium cost--they are usually founded by bonds which have to be paid off. The "true financial manipulations" of public stadium deals ALWAYS see the light of day, and they are always a bad deal for the public that pays for them. The "odds of being a good thing" for the city or county have overwhelming been disproven time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, RememberTheRockpile said: The adaption is called television. Other people will sit in your former seat inside the new domed stadium, and have dinner at the steak house restaurant before they go home, times change, and we are both likely old, and not likely to go to as many games as youngsters will, demographics rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Other people will sit in your former seat inside the new domed stadium, and have dinner at the steak house restaurant before they go home, times change, and we are both likely old, and not likely to go to as many games as youngsters will, demographics rule. Don, may I call you Don, or do you prefer Mr. Otreply? Anyway, whichever it is...we get your point. The horse died hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Other people will sit in your former seat inside the new domed stadium, and have dinner at the steak house restaurant before they go home, times change, and we are both likely old, and not likely to go to as many games as youngsters will, demographics rule. You are dreaming Don. The demographic trends don't support "youngsters" being all that interested. The additional PITA getting in and out is not going to help. P.S. Yankee games average 42,000 so it is not relevant. Edited October 16, 2019 by RememberTheRockpile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Other people will sit in your former seat inside the new domed stadium, and have dinner at the steak house restaurant before they go home, times change, and we are both likely old, and not likely to go to as many games as youngsters will, demographics rule. What's the bill going to be on that dinner? Remember... We are mostly "sweater wearers and cooler draggers." I hope the powers that be don't misjudge who their market really is. We got a loyal fan hollering all hell when "surge" pricing for the Cheaters game dinged him 5 extra bucks. CC: @BringBackFergy @mead107 @Cripple Creek BCC: @Gugny I hope I have this "blind carbon copy" thing all figured out... I'd sure hate to screw up and get their name out there. LoL.. Edited October 16, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What's the bill going to be on that dinner? Remember... We are most "sweater wearers and cooler draggers." I hope the powers that be don't misjudge who their market really is. We got a loyal fan hollering all hell when "surge" pricing for the Cheaters game dinged him 5 extra bucks. CC: @BringBackFergy @mead107 @Cripple Creek BCC: @Gugny I hope I have this "blind carbon copy" thing all figured out... I'd sure hate to screw up and get their name out there. LoL.. You spelled "gouge" wrong. Principle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The sabres have played Downtown for 50 years the Bills haven't for 45 years for alot of reasons Much has changed in Buffalo over the last forty-five years, lots of unused space, much easier to build and modify the traffic flow, times and attitudes have changed, Buffalo is growing again, and that is s very good thing for Buffalo and the surrounding bedroom communities. I live in Buffalo and walk the city everyday. From downtown to the west side , east side and in between You don't have to lecture me on the city And the majority of the people in the city don't want a downtown stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, The Dean said: I haven't been to the arena since the 2003-2004 renovations. But I have to say I thought it was a great place to watch a hockey game. I sat in regular seats, as well as a luxury box. Have things gotten worse? Or is it that fans today just need pampering and care about things other than watching the game (one they paid a hefty price to attend)? It isnt pampering. Go to the arena in buffalo, then go to its contemporaries in toronto, montreal, boston, and philly. Those are a much better place to watch a game and feel like a "hockey barn". The pitch on the seats in our arena is very gradual, putting you far away. Tons of bad seats even in the 100s. In the corners, in the 300s it feels like a different zip code. Then the bubble roof with the giant blue wall/ductwork. Sucks all the ambience and nouse right out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Municipalities can't "write off" a stadium cost--they are usually founded by bonds which have to be paid off. The "true financial manipulations" of public stadium deals ALWAYS see the light of day, and they are always a bad deal for the public that pays for them. The "odds of being a good thing" for the city or county have overwhelming been disproven time after time. Not going to argue that, I certainly would prefer the Pegulas and the NFL pay the tab, they can certainly afford it. But we also both know Buffalo wants the Team to stay, it does add value to a city to have such an amenity that can enhance reputations, attract people and businesses, Buffalo is growing again and wants the growth to continue, it would be a huge blow to the city and surrounding communities actual and perceived economic value, which have both suffered over the last many decades, it’s a big picture view for those that make the decisions. It ain’t easy being in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What's the bill going to be on that dinner? Remember... We are mostly "sweater wearers and cooler draggers." I hope the powers that be don't misjudge who their market really is. We got a loyal fan hollering all hell when "surge" pricing for the Cheaters game dinged him 5 extra bucks. CC: @BringBackFergy @mead107 @Cripple Creek BCC: @Gugny I hope I have this "blind carbon copy" thing all figured out... I'd sure hate to screw up and get their name out there. LoL.. Thank you for BCC’ing @Gugny The guy can’t see ***** through those rose colored glasses of his. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not going to argue that, I certainly would prefer the Pegulas and the NFL pay the tab, they can certainly afford it. But we also both know Buffalo wants the Team to stay, it does add value to a city to have such an amenity that can enhance reputations, attract people and businesses, Buffalo is growing again and wants the growth to continue, it would be a huge blow to the city and surrounding communities actual and perceived economic value, which have both suffered over the last many decades, it’s a big picture view for those that make the decisions. It ain’t easy being in that position. it doesn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I live in Buffalo and walk the city everyday. From downtown to the west side , east side and in between You don't have to lecture me on the city And the majority of the people in the city don't want a downtown stadium Is that “majority” actual in such a way as it has been officially measured? Or is it what you and your friends perceive? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking a question. And if it is so, what do Buffalonians want done with those currently unused parcels? Again just asking questions to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Is that “majority” actual in such a way as it has been officially measured? Or is it what you and your friends perceive? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking a question. And if it is so, what do Buffalonians want done with those currently unused parcels? Again just asking questions to learn. Buffalo has always been a city of a select, but vocal, urban elite. It's a city that told Henry Ford to get ***** -ed... He then went to Detroit. We are a hard puzzle, people-wise, to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What's the bill going to be on that dinner? Remember... We are mostly "sweater wearers and cooler draggers." I hope the powers that be don't misjudge who their market really is. We got a loyal fan hollering all hell when "surge" pricing for the Cheaters game dinged him 5 extra bucks. CC: @BringBackFergy @mead107 @Cripple Creek BCC: @Gugny I hope I have this "blind carbon copy" thing all figured out... I'd sure hate to screw up and get their name out there. LoL.. Who the hell wears a sweater to a football game? Are you The Gipper ferchrissakes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Parking and roadways being redone will cost tens of millions of dollars. I know somebody connected with the state Thruway Authority and it cost millions just to double lane existing exits and entrances at exit 41 for Del Lago Casino. Fire fighting, law enforcement, and utilities have been right sized for Orchard Park in terms of when New Era is hosting a NFL game. All that will have to be replicated if placed elsewhere. How much more property tax do Erie County residents want to pay for the bragging rights of having a new stadium within the Buffalo city limits. Not many I would guess and don't look for Albany Andy to help with state dollars. Then it's on the Pegulas. Who, btw, sold off an extra billion of gas wells when he purchased the team just to have that cash on hand. And they may very well want to bank roll a good portion of it in order to own it and control it. There is a huge opportunity for them if they convert that entire area from Harbor Center/Arena to the Perry Projects into a "Pegula Sports Entertainment" Complex. There will be new buildings connecting the area, with bars and restaurants, and shopping, that they will either own or be the landlord for, or at least get a cut of. Just like how there is a Mall attached to Foxboro. Or like we all just saw in Nashville, how they funnel all game attendees through the Broadway bar strip in order to enter and leave the game. The bars rake in the cash hand over fist. And with that new, roofed stadium also acting like a new Convention Center, theyll be able to draw tourists and traffic to their complex way more than only 8 times a year. Law enforcement is already provided by the same county sheriffs that would be downtown, so they just have to drive down there instead of out to OP. That would be the ultimate plan if they are thinking like successful, big-time Billionaires in the Trillion Dollar NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Who the hell wears a sweater to a football game? Are you The Gipper ferchrissakes? Sorry... Ooops, you're the guy in the fur coat, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Is that “majority” actual in such a way as it has been officially measured? Or is it what you and your friends perceive? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking a question. And if it is so, what do Buffalonians want done with those currently unused parcels? Again just asking questions to learn. I know you aren't trying to be a jerk and are asking serious questions I haven't seen an official poll and am just going by my interactions with people from around the city. . . My friends would actually like to see a downtown stadium so they actually don't skew my perception of it Either way , I love the city and the Bills and will rally around whatever they decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: it doesn't. Again not Arguing the aspect when the owners don’t pay for the stadium, I know and have read likely the same information you have, and I agree with it pertaining to economic stimulus of tax payer funded stadiums. I guess in the long run cities just let teams walk, which is what might happen in Buffalo at some point if the local area does not foot part of the tab, maybe the Pegulas will be different and force change, but I doubt the NFL will allow it, and force them to sell the team so it can be relocated? It’s a tuff thing for a community to deal with, especially when they are paying a mortgage on an unused stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 For stadiums to be built in the next 3-5 years, the changes with autonomous vehicles might be considered. The need for significant parking lots/spaces could become a thing of the past. Younger people may choose to not own a car that remains unused 90% of the time. No car payments, no insurance, etc. Here is an article discussing this from a DC perspective but there are others similar to this. Just something else that might be deliberated when building a stadium. https://ggwash.org/view/40474/self-driving-cars-could-change-a-lot-about-tailgating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Info said: For stadiums to be built in the next 3-5 years, the changes with autonomous vehicles might be considered. The need for significant parking lots/spaces could become a thing of the past. Younger people may choose to not own a car that remains unused 90% of the time. No car payments, no insurance, etc. Here is an article discussing this from a DC perspective but there are others similar to this. Just something else that might be deliberated when building a stadium. https://ggwash.org/view/40474/self-driving-cars-could-change-a-lot-about-tailgating YES! Good to see someone with their finger on the pulse of the future. My kid (and most born within the last few years) will probably never even have a Drivers License, let alone own a car. They'll have an app with a service they subscribe to. And for $300/month they'll get X amount of miles/month in self-driving cars that they can quickly and easily beckon from their phone. This change will also have a huge affect on "traffic", or the lack there of. Since there will be much less (maybe zero) driver inefficiency and accidents. Light turns green, the entire line of cars move at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: YES! Good to see someone with their finger on the pulse of the future. My kid (and most born within the last few years) will probably never even have a Drivers License, let alone own a car. They'll have an app with a service they subscribe to. And for $300/month they'll get X amount of miles/month in self-driving cars that they can quickly and easily beckon from their phone. This change will also have a huge affect on "traffic", or the lack there of. Since there will be much less (maybe zero) driver inefficiency and accidents. Light turns green, the entire line of cars move at once. That technology is on the cusp of happening, I am 60 years old, and have owned one new car, got my license when I was 34 years old, I just did not need a car, mass transit and bicycles took care of 90% of my travel needs, it took many years after I got my license before I bought a car. Rented when I needed one. People like me were the early adapters, ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: YES! Good to see someone with their finger on the pulse of the future. My kid (and most born within the last few years) will probably never even have a Drivers License, let alone own a car. They'll have an app with a service they subscribe to. And for $300/month they'll get X amount of miles/month in self-driving cars that they can quickly and easily beckon from their phone. This change will also have a huge affect on "traffic", or the lack there of. Since there will be much less (maybe zero) driver inefficiency and accidents. Light turns green, the entire line of cars move at once. $300 a month? X amount of miles... Let's all rely on an app? How about ditching the cellphone bill? A nice car payment and insurance is less. Go anywhere you want, when you want. LoL... Great... Let's see how autonomous vehicles interact with real humans driving them... It's nice to dream... But I at 51 won't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: $300 a month? X amount of miles... Let's all rely on an app? How about ditching the cellphone bill? A nice car payment and insurance is less. Go anywhere you want, when you want. LoL... Great... Let's see how autonomous vehicles interact with real humans driving them... It's nice to dream... But I at 51 won't see it. And even at 51, you'll see it soon enough. We're less than 10 years away from the majority of vehicles on the road being self-driving, app-owned cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: $300 a month? X amount of miles... Let's all rely on an app? How about ditching the cellphone bill? A nice car payment and insurance is less. Go anywhere you want, when you want. LoL... Great... Let's see how autonomous vehicles interact with real humans driving them... It's nice to dream... But I at 51 won't see it. Self driving cars are already happening, you may live long enough to watch it start in earnest. Likely highway use first, times a changin, ? me, I travel mostly by boat nowadays, still rent cars a couple times a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mr Info said: For stadiums to be built in the next 3-5 years, the changes with autonomous vehicles might be considered. The need for significant parking lots/spaces could become a thing of the past. Younger people may choose to not own a car that remains unused 90% of the time. No car payments, no insurance, etc. Here is an article discussing this from a DC perspective but there are others similar to this. Just something else that might be deliberated when building a stadium. https://ggwash.org/view/40474/self-driving-cars-could-change-a-lot-about-tailgating Not owning a vehicle might be possible in an area with extensive public transportation options but is not going to work for the person who has to commute from Batavia to Arcade and back 5 times per week plus go get groceries and do all the other business in life. I don't see this as a wide spread option in WNY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Not owning a vehicle might be possible in an area with extensive public transportation options but is not going to work for the person who has to commute from Batavia to Arcade and back 5 times per week plus go get groceries and do all the other business in life. I don't see this as a wide spread option in WNY. It's a shift from "owning" a vehicle and paying for a hunk of metal that depreciates the second you leave the lot, plus paying insurance, and upkeep, and fuel... to having a subscription for full-time access to a fleet of self-driving vehicles. Just commuting today? Well, the car will be outside your house at 7:30am, per the recurring schedule you setup in your app, to speed you to the office, while you kick back and rest or get work done. BTW, the commute will be about half of what it is now since user error is removed from the equation. Need to pick up groceries? Then select the larger vehicle from the drop-down menu with more room for cargo. Whole family going somewhere? Select the SUV-sized vehicle with extra seating. All included in your plan. Doesnt matter where you live, you still have full-time access to vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Buffalo has always been a city of a select, but vocal, urban elite. It's a city that told Henry Ford to get ***** -ed... He then went to Detroit. We are a hard puzzle, people-wise, to figure out. Good thing that we told Henry to take a hike or we would have been stuck with the Lions or whatever they would have been called here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And even at 51, you'll see it soon enough. We're less than 10 years away from the majority of vehicles on the road being self-driving, app-owned cars. We shall see. Got the clock ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: We shall see. Got the clock ticking. I sincerely hope youre around to see it. Going to be a really cool paradigm shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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