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Josh Allen Failed His First Big Test

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Just now, Bevis said:

You can only post their record for so long, eventually it might not backup your point the way you want. Allen is not "getting it", he's a turnover machine and the defense while great, cannot play like that every game. The next few games will really tell where this team is headed. This is where Bills seasons of the past went off the rails.


turnover Machine.  Really he had 8 yeah that’s a lot. But I accept them why because he also makes throws OTHER QBs cannot. And because of that. 
 

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1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

And yet they held the Rams offense to 3 points in the Super Bowl.

 

Ok man, I can't go any further with you. You're apparently willing to go to ridiculous lengths to justify your stance.

 

I'm out.

 

Who in their front seven would start for us?

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He was overwhelmed in that 1st half. The moment was too big for him.

 

All it means now is that we're still not sure.  He's young, and he could very easily get over these kinds of games - or this could be who he is.

 

A good performance today would have been more assuring, obviously.  Now, we need to see a lot more.

 

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1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Who in their front seven would start for us?

 

They are the number 1 ranked defense.  

 

Stop embarassing yourself over the Allen crusade. 

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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I dismiss everything you say about QBs because back in the BBMB days you wanted to trade the entire draft to pick Jamies Winston.  Plus you only show up here when they don’t play well. Your opinions in QB play are worthless.

 

Allen got schooled by a master today.  He needs to have a Gore or another wise vet sit him down and convince him that the success of the team is not all on him, and he has to stop making that same mistake of throwing late into coverage.

 

Jameis looked pretty damn good today. 

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3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

Jesus he had a bad day which opened some questions. It was referendum on his career today. Your right aikman manning weren’t HOFs day one yet Watson Mahomes and Jackson all seem to not be having as many issues. The kids got talent and seems like he has the potential to be the dude but he’s got to be smarter and do better. He didn’t a real test today which is OK but I want better and he better do better 

 

Nobody wants better more than Josh. It’s the fully expected overreaction that is tiring. YES, is was a horrific performance for a while. BUT, what happened when things started settling down? He went 6-6 on the first TD given up by the Pats this year. Looked like the real deal when they got into the flow. It’s a mix. The bad was HORRIBLE, then there was a bit of encouraging play. Thanks to a dirty hit, we never got to see how it might have played out. 

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3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

I agree with that statement. Bears, Bills and Chicago have the best units in the league hands down. I can't tell you what order though. 

 

Josh isn't gonna be playing a top 1-3 D every week. 

 

Bear and Chicago? Did you mean the Pats?

 

Anyways, I think the Bills are the most complete D in the NFL, the Bears have the best front seven, and the Pats have the best secondary (I don't think their front seven is very good). 

 

I think the Bears and Bills at 1a and 1b. 

 

New England has a good defense, but I don't think it's elite. They don't have any game changers in their front seven, although all their role players fill their roles very well.

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6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


turnover Machine.  Really he had 8 yeah that’s a lot. But I accept them why because he also makes throws OTHER QBs cannot. And because of that. 
 

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I think you will end up dying on that sword when the record isn't so great because the QB is inconsistent. Good luck.

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4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

They are the number 1 ranked defense.  

 

Stop embarassing yourself over the Allen crusade. 

 

They've played 4 garbage offenses. 

 

Answer the question. 

 

The obvious answer is no one. Our D is much better. 

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I think watching Brady could be eye opening for him.  The deep shot I'm ok with.  The other 2 were bad.  In that game their was no need to play that way.  The defense had the game under control.  He needs to reign himself in those situations.  Overall, Buffalo will be fine barring Allen getting cleared soon from protocol.  

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57 minutes ago, corta765 said:

The Pats at home for the division lead and Allen played his worst game of the season and worst since he went out with injury last year.

 

This was an opportunity for a statement and instead we got the worst parts of Allen’s game which was trying for big plays which resulted in INTs and pocket presence failure resulting in loss of points.

 

 

Give the NE defense some credit and give Allen some credit for making half-time adjustments and putting together that great drive to start the 2nd half.  He just needs to stop making bad risky decisions throwing the ball downfield and take what the Defense gives him.  It was not a great game, but certainly not as bad is it looks.

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Jameis looked pretty damn good today. 

 

He also looked pretty bad.  Jameis is not a good quarterback.  He is a solid NFL starter if you don't want to win anything.  

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4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Jameis looked pretty damn good today. 

And it’s taken him 5 years to play a good game.  Your opinions aren’t worth anything as it comes to evaluating QB play. 

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9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

What you can't argue with is that without the block punt TD the Bills win the game.

 

Yeah, stuff happens in football games. The Jets would have won if they had a better kicker. End of the day the team that makes more plays wins and Allen didn't do his part today. The Pats defense is solid but there were plays to be made and he didn't hit them. Take away 2 sacks and hit a wide open Zay Jones and we win 23-16.

 

Biggest problem for Allen right now is he can't beat blitzes. He needs to find a check down option or throw it away. Every blitz he panics and runs backwards. It's been the same for every game this year. Occasionally he makes an incredible play with his pure athleticism but he needs to hit the ordinary plays a lot more if he's going to be the franchise.

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2 minutes ago, Bevis said:

I think you will end up dying on that sword when the record isn't so great because the QB is inconsistent. Good luck.


doesn’t matter right now. He is 3-1 and has improved from last year. Now if by end of season I don’t see more growth well then he will eventually start having me call for someone else. Let’s get to 20 starts first 

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5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

They've played 4 garbage offenses. 

 

Answer the question. 

 

The obvious answer is no one. Our D is much better. 

Van Noy starts in a heartbeat.  

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9 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Who in their front seven would start for us?

 

How is that an answer? They gave up 3 points to the last Super Bowl opponent. We got the first TD on them all year. They just might be kinda good. Just sayin’. Who are our Pro Bowlers? The TEAM production is what matters. 

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Just now, oldmanfan said:

Van Noy starts in a heartbeat.  

 

Great.  So one of seven guys starts for us.

 

As I said, our defense is a lot better. 

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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


doesn’t matter right now. He is 3-1 and has improved from last year. Now if by end of season I don’t see more growth well then he will eventually start having me call for someone else. Let’s get to 20 starts first 

Last year in week 4, Trubisky threw 6 TD's and took the next step in his quest to be a franchise QB. Allen is simply struggling too much and is simply not on par with those who came before him, or those drafted alongside him.

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11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Jameis looked pretty damn good today. 

Now there’s a guy that should be moved on from. How many years has it taken him ? Plus a dbag to boot. 

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8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And it’s taken him 5 years to play a good game.  Your opinions aren’t worth anything as it comes to evaluating QB play. 


wait...you’re saying this is his first good game in 5 years and you’re criticizing someone for their QB evaluations...

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i liked daboll yelling at him and pointing to his head. i imagine he was saying you got think or be smarter. brady threw alot of balls away today and thats probobly all we needed today was the ball thrown away.

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43 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Yup, nowhere to be seen weeks 1-3.

 

Then we have Nextmanup telling us this is Josh's ceiling.

 

What a bunch of tools.

 

 

No one was concerned about the turnovers in the other games? Don't you remember posting about how we won the game so it doesn't matter?

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3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Great.  So one of seven guys starts for us.

 

As I said, our defense is a lot better. 

You said no one in their front 7 would start for us, you now admit that’s wrong.  Another example of your opinions having no merit.

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Allen had a terrible day today.  He's a young QB and it happens to every one of them NOT named Mahomes.  His 3 INT's were bad decisions but they did not impact the game to the extent the one blocked punt did for the simple reason that each INT gave NE the ball at about midfield.  These picks did not put NE in our red zone nor did they thwart a Bills drive into the red zone.

 

NE is an elite pass defense.  In fact today you saw the #1 & #2 pass defenses go at each other.  In case you didn't notice Brady had almost as bad a QB performance as Allen had.  He hit less then 50% of his passes threw a horrific INT that robbed NE of points.  And if Edmunds had intercepted that bad throw late in the 4th Brady would have thrown a game losing pick 6!

 

Bottom line is that if Allen had Brady's stat sheet we would be just as disappointed in his performance.  Maybe this tells us more about the two pass defenses on the field then it does the QB's?

 

We all hate the Pats and Belichick but he is the best defensive mind the game has ever seen.  His D held LA to 3 points in the Super Bowl.  As much as we dreaded it, today's outcome including Allen's performance, was always the most likely one.

 

In the end Allen will be fine and maybe we can get payback near the end of the season.

 

 

 

 

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