Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[BillsFan17]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It is a slam. The bit about him being without 4 wins with a terrible D?  Come on.  It is a team game, thus your statement doesn't really provide much.

 

Allen is learning, and learning means you make mistakes at times.  I myself have said it's not making mistakes, but making the SAME mistake that can be irritating.  Like the pick last week; folks can say all they want it was on Yldon, etc., but Josh has to stop throwing back across into the middle of the field.  That is a recipe for disaster.

I'm literally crediting his TEAM for their success. Try again

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

It's just a highly offensive take.... you can't criticize Josh. I like him a lot as a player and he's made strides, but he's got a long way to go to be a franchise QB and its obvious.That is all some are saying. 

There are very few posters who feel this way. The vast majority of us are fine with criticisms because, heaven knows, there are enough things to criticise in a young QB. There have also been a lot of improvements in his game and he has done a lot of good things as well. 

 

Just a little balance instead of always dwelling on the negative

[BillsFan17]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It's just a highly offensive take.... you can't criticize Josh. I like him a lot as a player and he's made strides, but he's got a long way to go to be a franchise QB and its obvious.That is all some are saying. 

It's the cliche that winning cures all. Enough so that Allen is free of criticism. Which is weak, because there are maybe three or four players on the entire roster whose play is critique free. Being 4-1 doesn't mean there aren't areas we need to improve. One of those areas is turnovers. 

 

Not beating the table saying Allen is a bust, but I'm also not going to crown him yet either. Kid has more INTs (19) than games played (17) with 13 fumbles, I'm not just being negative about his play at times for no reason.

Edited October 9, 2019 by BillsFan17

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

I'm literally crediting his TEAM for their success. Try again

And Allen is part of the team, correct? 

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

It's the cliche that winning cures all. Enough so that Allen is free of criticism. Which is weak, because there are maybe three or four players on the entire roster whose play is critique free. Being 4-1 doesn't mean there aren't areas we need to improve. One of those areas is turnovers. 

Why do you continue to whine about something that isn't true?

[BillsFan17]

15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

And Allen is part of the team, correct? 

Why do you continue to whine about something that isn't true?

Continue to whine? This is my first posts in this thread. Plus, I posted a criticism of Allen and a few people took exception soooooo

Edited October 9, 2019 by BillsFan17

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They certainly do.... the poster just said he had a long way to go as a passer of which purple haze said who cares, he's winning. Really good take on the situation.?

 

That's fair.  I think a lot of it is that McD/Daboll are determined to do just enough to win.  I get frustrated at times, wishing they'd just open it up and turn a 14-point lead into a 28-point lead.  But they don't.  It's made some games closer than the needed to be/should have been.  But, yeah .... they were wins.

 

Josh is in the middle of the pack with regard to air yards per attempt, as well as air yards/completion.

 

There are definitely growth opportunities, but there have also definitely been signs of growth from last season to this season, as well as week-to-week in this season, alone.

 

I, and many others, have opined that Josh needs to cool it with the hero ball and make better decisions.  That's not to say that I don't want him taking chances; I do.  But he needs to do better with risk mitigation.  The across-the-body, off balance heaves have not gone well.  Those need to stop unless someone is ridiculously wide open.

 

He did a better job last week of eating the ball and throwing it away.  That trend needs to continue.

 

Personally, I feel A LOT more confident in him this year than I did last year.

 

I'm most impressed at how he responded to the worst of his 16 starts vs. New England with, arguably, the best of his 16 starts just seven days later.

 

So, yeah .... is there room for plenty of improvement?  Sure.  But we're not at 4-1 because the defense is scoring points.  The defense is keeping the opposing teams' points down, but Josh is still leading the offense to score more points than the other team. 

 

I'm very happy with where Josh is right now and I see no reason NOT to believe that he will continue to make the necessary improvements.  And that's not based on a hunch.  It's based on watching him continually improve over  his first 16 starts.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2019 by Gugny

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

Continue to whine? This is my first post in this thread

That's funny, because I have responded to 3-4 of your other posts in this thread. Are you drunk as well?

[oldmanfan]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It's just a highly offensive take.... you can't criticize Josh. I like him a lot as a player and he's made strides, but he's got a long way to go to be a franchise QB and its obvious.That is all some are saying. 

This nonsense about not being able to criticize Allen is the biggest piece of pure horse dung on this board.  What people say is that he makes mistakes but also does some good things.  His leading back to win several times this season:  good.  His accuracy the first 3 games especially:  good.  His maddening predilection to throw back into coverage:  Bad.  All people are saying is they like what they're seeing in the kid, warts and all, not that he's above critique.

 

So save your horse dung. 

[BillsFan17]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

This nonsense about not being able to criticize Allen is the biggest piece of pure horse dung on this board.  What people say is that he makes mistakes but also does some good things.  His leading back to win several times this season:  good.  His accuracy the first 3 games especially:  good.  His maddening predilection to throw back into coverage:  Bad.  All people are saying is they like what they're seeing in the kid, warts and all, not that he's above critique.

 

So save your horse dung. 

So why is it every cristicsm of Allen is met with bull#### posts like yours?

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

That's funny, because I have responded to 3-4 of your other posts in this thread. Are you drunk as well?

Nice burn

[Boca BIlls]

It's a competition to see how long Josh can stay above 60%...

[teef]

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

So why is it every cristicsm of Allen is met with bull#### posts like yours?

the criticism isn't.  the idea that you can't criticize is.

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

So why is it every cristicsm of Allen is met with bull#### posts like yours?

Nice burn

I just criticized the kid.  Check your reading comprehension skills.

[Teddy KGB]

On 10/7/2019 at 3:37 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

New name, same ole whiny needy Shady

 

He is the only one allowed to make threads, shut everyone else’s down ????

[BillsFan17]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I just criticized the kid.  Check your reading comprehension skills.

I can't read. All I know is I criticized Allen, you jumped in, then back tracked, and now are making fun of my reading skills. 

[jrober38]

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

You should find a more reliable source...

 

We scored 14 points. He can't have been that great.

 

Anyways, the Bills D is arguably the best in the NFL, and the offense does enough to win low scoring games. 

 

The Bills should pretty easily coast to the playoffs given how horrendous their schedule is this year and once your in the playoffs with a defense like ours, anything can happen. 

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

We scored 14 points. He can't have been that great.

 

Anyways, the Bills D is arguably the best in the NFL, and the offense does enough to win low scoring games. 

 

The Bills should pretty easily coast to the playoffs given how horrendous their schedule is this year and once your in the playoffs with a defense like ours, anything can happen. 

To put it in perspective, there was a jet sweep to McKenzie, but since Allen patted the ball forward to him, instead of handing it to him, it counted as a pass. Take away those 50 yards and Allen had 169 yards passing. Granted, Josh did a good job of taking what the D gave him, didnt try to force besting the Titans Titans secondary.

 

Although there was ANOTHER brutal INT that did lead to points and put us in a tough spot. Which has been routine minus the Giants game. Something that needs to be cleaned up drastically.

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

We scored 14 points. He can't have been that great.

 

Anyways, the Bills D is arguably the best in the NFL, and the offense does enough to win low scoring games. 

 

The Bills should pretty easily coast to the playoffs given how horrendous their schedule is this year and once your in the playoffs with a defense like ours, anything can happen. 

You, admittedly, didn't watch the game. Why don't you actually watch it before you engage in any sort of analysis of his game?

 

Because you are a one trick pony.

 

If we removed all of your posts that were some variation of "Allen sucks," then you would probably have a total of 6 posts.

[Teddy KGB]

14 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

We scored 14 points. He can't have been that great.

 

I didn’t watch the game.    I was at the beach but still have hot takes because i love hating Allen ??????

 

Mahomes only scored 13

 

What a loooooser 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[thebandit27]

As I've been saying for months, Allen has 3 clear areas of his game that need to improve before he will be able to carry an offense:

1) play recognition post-snap 

2) patience in the pocket 

3) stop trying to do too much and take what the defense gives him 

 

He's made clear and obvious strides in 1 & 2, and 3 still needs some work. If you aren't encouraged by that, considering where he's come from in the last 18 months, then I would suggest that your expectations are more or less unreasonable 

[teef]

Just now, BillsFan17 said:

To put it in perspective, there was a jet sweep to McKenzie, but since Allen patted the ball forward to him, instead of handing it to him, it counted as a pass. Take away those 50 yards and Allen had 169 yards passing. Granted, Josh did a good job of taking what the D gave him, didnt try to force besting the Titans Titans secondary.

 

Although there was ANOTHER brutal INT that did lead to points and put us in a tough spot. Which has been routine minus the Giants game. Something that needs to be cleaned up drastically.

doing this can be criticized.  many qbs have plays lilke this that add to their final numbers.  

Just now, thebandit27 said:

As I've been saying for months, Allen has 3 clear areas of his game that need to improve before he will be able to carry an offense:

1) play recognition post-snap 

2) patience in the pocket 

3) stop trying to do too much and take what the defense gives him 

 

He's made clear and obvious strides in 1 & 2, and 3 still needs some work. If you aren't encouraged by that, considering where he's come from in the last 18 months, then I would suggest that your expectations are more or less unreasonable 

i think this is exactly it as well.  he's done better so far this year.  that was my goal for him.  is there room for improvement?  there sure is, but the improvement is visible.  

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

To put it in perspective, there was a jet sweep to McKenzie, but since Allen patted the ball forward to him, instead of handing it to him, it counted as a pass. Take away those 50 yards and Allen had 169 yards passing. Granted, Josh did a good job of taking what the D gave him, didnt try to force besting the Titans Titans secondary.

 

Although there was ANOTHER brutal INT that did lead to points and put us in a tough spot. Which has been routine minus the Giants game. Something that needs to be cleaned up drastically.

See, this is what most of us are talking about. The gameplan against a good defense was to go with the short passing game. There was not one attempt over 20 yds in the entire game. Allen did what he was asked to do. He completed over 70 % of his passes and moved the ball - scoring two touchdowns against a team that is 4th in points against.. He had one mistake, that, if you watch the play, was clearly as much on Yeldon as on Allen. 

 

Yet, your interpretation of it is negative.

 

#agenda

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, teef said:

doing this can be criticized.  many qbs have plays lilke this that add to their final numbers.  

i think this is exactly it as well.  he's done better so far this year.  that was my goal for him.  is there room for improvement?  there sure is, but the improvement is visible.  

Cool

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

To put it in perspective, there was a jet sweep to McKenzie, but since Allen patted the ball forward to him, instead of handing it to him, it counted as a pass. Take away those 50 yards and Allen had 169 yards passing. Granted, Josh did a good job of taking what the D gave him, didnt try to force besting the Titans Titans secondary.

 

Although there was ANOTHER brutal INT that did lead to points and put us in a tough spot. Which has been routine minus the Giants game. Something that needs to be cleaned up drastically.

 

I love that some folks get defensive about their positions and then do the "yeah but if you take away this one big play" nonsense. 

[BillsFan17]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

See, this is what most of us are talking about. The gameplan against a good defense was to go with the short passing game. There was not one attempt over 20 yds in the entire game. Allen did what he was asked to do. He completed over 70 % of his passes and moved the ball - scoring two touchdowns against a team that is 4th in points against.. He had one mistake, that, if you watch the play, was clearly as much on Yeldon as on Allen. 

 

Yet, your interpretation of it is negative.

 

#agenda

Yes, ignore where I literally said that on the bottom half of my post.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, teef said:

doing this can be criticized.  many qbs have plays lilke this that add to their final numbers.  

 

It's essentially like a screen pass....which is ran all the time in the NFL by every team.  

[BillsFan17]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I love that some folks get defensive about their positions and then do the "yeah but if you take away this one big play" nonsense. 

A person didnt watch the game, I pointed out that Allen had 169 yards through the air, with one play having been a jet sweep.

 

I also pointed out Allen took what the defense gave him, but that part of the post doesnt count?

 

Moreover, I am not the least bit defensive. I dont know a single person on this message board personally. If I was taking any of this to heart, I'd have bigger issues in life. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by BillsFan17

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said:

A person didnt watch the game, I pointed out that Allen had 169 yards through the air, with one play having been a jet sweep.

 

I also pointed out Allen took what the defense gave him, but that part of the post doesnt count?

 

What was the purpose of calling out the McKenzie play? Honestly.

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's essentially like a screen pass....which is ran all the time in the NFL by every team.  

exactly.  it was the right call for the right time.  it counts.

[dakrider]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

Heaven knows he can't have struggles and still contribute in big ways. So, yeah, let's discount the fact that he led the team on touchdown drives in the fourth quarter, when his team needed them in 3 of the 5 games this year, because he may have been involved in some turnovers that led to points for the other team or ended scoring chances for his team.

 

Nonsensical.

Until Allen has a 450 yards and 4 TD's in a losing game, he will never be considered a good quarterback! 

[BillsFan17]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

What was the purpose of calling out the McKenzie play? Honestly.

My post literally lays out exactly why I did. Read it again, a poster said they didnt watch the game. I made an observation that Allen only had 169 yards if you remove that sweep to McKenzie, but that he did take what the defense was giving him a d didnt try to beat the titans secondary.

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

A person didnt watch the game, I pointed out that Allen had 169 yards through the air, with one play having been a jet sweep.

 

I also pointed out Allen took what the defense gave him, but that part of the post doesnt count?

No, you were cherry picking a play to show that Allen wasn't that productive if you eliminate that play. Do you subtract all the YAC on all other completions as well?

 

At least have the intellectual honesty to admit what you are doing.

Edited October 9, 2019 by billsfan1959

[BillsFan17]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

exactly.  it was the right call for the right time.  it counts.

No one said it didnt count. The context of why it was brought up appears to be lost on those that want to band together.

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

No, you were cherry picking a play to show that Allen wasn't that productive if you eliminate that play. Do you subtract all the YAC?

 

At least have the intellectual honesty to admit what you are doing.

Nailed it! Nothing to do with the dichotomy of hand position for Allen that would effect his bottom stat line. But so far today, I'm a drunk, illiterate who has intellectual honesty, and it's not even 10am

Edited October 9, 2019 by BillsFan17

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

My post literally lays out exactly why I did. Read it again, a poster said they didnt watch the game. I made an observation that Allen only had 169 yards if you remove that sweep to McKenzie, but that he did take what the defense was giving him a d didnt try to beat the titans secondary.

 

So the implication is that you're just trying to add some context for the poor dude that didn't see the game?

 

Well, call me suspicious, but I find it very interesting that you chose to hone in on the biggest play of the game and make sure to note that it shouldn't reflect positively on Allen. No mention of the fact that 6 of his 9 incompletions on the day were drops or throwaways. That's a pretty unbalanced review if in fact one cared about painting the picture of his performance.

 

Evaluate with no agenda. You'll earn more credibility 

[BillsFan17]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

So the implication is that you're just trying to add some context for the poor dude that didn't see the game?

 

Well, call me suspicious, but I find it very interesting that you chose to hone in on the biggest play of the game and make sure to note that it shouldn't reflect positively on Allen. No mention of the fact that 6 of his 9 incompletions on the day were drops or throwaways. That's a pretty unbalanced review if in fact one cared about painting the picture of his performance.

 

Evaluate with no agenda. You'll earn more credibility 

Credibility amongst who? Folks on the internet? If you genuinely worry about credibility on a message board that says more about you than it does me.

 

Secondly, it was an important element to point out Allen's yards were lower than we would have liked if you removed the sweep play, BUT THEN FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH HE TOOK WHAT THE DEFENSE GAVE HIM AND DIDN'T TRY TO BEAT THE TITANS SECONDARY.

 

So, if you choose not to be on the attack, and realize I was pointing out Allen wasnt dominant, but did take what the defense was giving him.

 

If you want to interpret that as me having an agenda, by all mean, have a day.

[Magox]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

As I've been saying for months, Allen has 3 clear areas of his game that need to improve before he will be able to carry an offense:

1) play recognition post-snap 

2) patience in the pocket 

3) stop trying to do too much and take what the defense gives him 

 

He's made clear and obvious strides in 1 & 2, and 3 still needs some work. If you aren't encouraged by that, considering where he's come from in the last 18 months, then I would suggest that your expectations are more or less unreasonable 

 

I would add to that:

 

1) His decision making outside of the pocket when the play breaks down.  You essentially alluded to that on your third point.   You take away these interceptions that he's thrown when he's made some bad decisions and we are talking about a much higher QB rating and very possibly a 5-0 record with a couple other games not being such nail biters.

 

2) You said patience in the pocket.  I sort of see it that way, I view it slightly more as that the game still needs to slow down for him a little more.  There have been times where he is looking straight at a open receiver and he decides to not hit the guy with a pass.  I think that is a mental processing aspect and I believe he will improve as he gets more games under his belt.

 

3) Yes, his pre snap reads are getting better but still need work.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Credibility amongst who? Folks on the internet? If you genuinely worry about credibility on a message board that says more about you than it does me.

 

Secondly, it was an important element to point out Allen's yards were lower than we would have liked if you removed the sweep play, BUT THEN FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH HE TOOK WHAT THE DEFENSE GAVE HIM AND DIDN'T TRY TO BEAT THE TITANS SECONDARY.

 

So, if you choose not to be on the attack, and realize I was pointing out Allen wasnt dominant, but did take what the defense was giving him.

 

If you want to interpret that as me having an agenda, by all mean, have a day.

 

Well, you seem to be bothered by your opinion being criticized, so I figured I'd offer a suggestion.

 

But yes, when the only context you choose to add is to make sure that the biggest play of the game shouldn't be viewed as a positive for the QB, that smacks of an agenda.

 

It's your right of course, but seems silly to me 

[HappyDays]

28 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Take away those 50 yards

 

Lol! There isn't anything else you can say. Watch other NFL offenses. Please.

[BillsFan17]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Lol! There isn't anything else you can say. Watch other NFL offenses. Please.

Okay

[teef]

22 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

No one said it didnt count. The context of why it was brought up appears to be lost on those that want to band together.

 

no one is banding against you.  you really need to stop with the martyr mentality.  for some reason you were trying to take away production to prove a point.  i'm not sure why.  as mentioned, qbs have plays like that every sunday.  it makes them no less a qb.  why even bring it up?

[BillsFan17]

13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, you seem to be bothered by your opinion being criticized, so I figured I'd offer a suggestion.

 

But yes, when the only context you choose to add is to make sure that the biggest play of the game shouldn't be viewed as a positive for the QB, that smacks of an agenda.

 

It's your right of course, but seems silly to me 

Okay, so if I did have an agenda, and I really just hate Josh Allen, what difference would it make. I'm super skeptical of Allen, have seen since he was drafted. That didnt stop me from getting his jersey, didnt stop me from getting my son his jersey. Doesnt stop me hoping he is the answer.

 

That being said I'm not going to simply ignore his faults. I've acknowledged his improvements, but to me personally, I still see a microcosm of a kid who struggles to read a defense. Both pre and post snap. That, at this juncture in his career, could be worse had the Bills not had one of the best defenses in the league. The turnovers wouldnt be as glossed over, the putting his team behind the eight ball wouldnt be glossed over. The comebacks are awesome, but when read between the lines... you see some of the comebacks are because Allen put us in the position to have to comeback

3 minutes ago, teef said:

no one is banding against you.  you really need to stop with the martyr mentality.  for some reason you were trying to take away production to prove a point.  i'm not sure why.  as mentioned, qbs have plays like that every sunday.  it makes them no less a qb.  why even bring it up?

Today I'm a drunk, illiterate, with intellectual honesty, and a martyr mentality.

 

Bang up day.

 

Best part is, if the hand positioning was different during that play, he would have had 169 yards passing. Pretty cut and dry, and yet that has drawn more responses...

Edited October 9, 2019 by BillsFan17