What RB cracks first?

[Chicharito]

So who do you guys think cracks first. Gordon or Zeke? I don’t get leaving millions of dollars Just laying out to dry. That’s me though! You signed the contract honor what you signed.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

is this the guy you're talking about?

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Gordon has less leverage, IMO.  I think he will be traded or released if he doesn’t fall in line. Zeke is different.  The Cowboys have arguably the best offensive line in football.  He also does a lot to help Dak...keeping the defense honest with both his running and his ability to catch the ball.  That said, however, I don’t think the Cowboys will give Zeke the pay day he’s looking for.  Too many mouths to feed assuming they want to extend both Prescott and Amari Cooper.  

[StHustle]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Gordon has less leverage, IMO.  I think he will be traded or released if he doesn’t fall in line. Zeke is different.  The Cowboys have arguably the best offensive line in football.  He also does a lot to help Dak...keeping the defense honest with both his running and his ability to catch the ball.  That said, however, I don’t think the Cowboys will give Zeke the pay day he’s looking for.  Too many mouths to feed assuming they want to extend both Prescott and Amari Cooper.  

 

Ummmmm....now way Chargers are cutting Gordon. 

If I were the Bills I'd give them McCoy and a 3rd for Gordon if they'd take it. He and Singletary would solidify the backfield for years to come.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Ummmmm....now way Chargers are cutting Gordon. 

If I were the Bills I'd give them McCoy and a 3rd for Gordon if they'd take it. He and Singletary would solidify the backfield for years to come.

 

Perhaps not released, but do you think they’ll succumb to his demands?  Particularly given Rivers’ comments to the media this week?   Sounds like he does not have the support of the locker room, and RB’s just don’t get paid the same way anymore (with Bell being an outlier).  The play seems to be to let your RB play out their rookie deal and then move on.

[Go-Bills]

32 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

So who do you guys think cracks first. Gordon or Zeke? I don’t get leaving millions of dollars Just laying out to dry. That’s me though! You signed the contract honor what you signed.

Or Shady?

[That's No Moon]

38 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

So who do you guys think cracks first. Gordon or Zeke? I don’t get leaving millions of dollars Just laying out to dry. That’s me though! You signed the contract honor what you signed.

When the teams start honoring the contracts they hand out I'll be on board. Until then the players need to get paid as much as they can while they can.

[GoBills808]

Eckeler behind an injured Gordon means Elliot will be paid first imo.

[Protocal69]

Im on the running backs side on this. They play one of most high impact positions in football in terms of physicality and  a lot of people say just run them into the ground and draft another one. Ok then at what point does the good, great running backs get their money then. 
 

A good balance is let them play the 1st 2 years out. If they are good give a big pay upgrade for the last 2 and play it out from there. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Protocal69

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

When the teams start honoring the contracts they hand out I'll be on board. Until then the players need to get paid as much as they can while they can.

 

The teams DO honor the contract. It’s just that the contract heavily favors the teams, and I’m OK with that. They pay 100% of all guaranteed money. They are allowed to cut the player, and the player is allowed to sit out and not be paid.

 

There are a few great RB’s, but it’s a position that has less leverage than many others, because with a good line an average back can win for you. Pass catching threats have a little more leverage, but look at what the OL gets paid these days. You can’t pay everyone as much as they want....decisions must be made. 

[US Egg]

It's not a Bills issue, so who really cares in here ?

[cage]

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The teams DO honor the contract. It’s just that the contract heavily favors the teams, and I’m OK with that. They pay 100% of all guaranteed money. They are allowed to cut the player, and the player is allowed to sit out and not be paid.

 

There are a few great RB’s, but it’s a position that has less leverage than many others, because with a good line an average back can win for you. Pass catching threats have a little more leverage, but look at what the OL gets paid these days. You can’t pay everyone as much as they want....decisions must be made. 

 

 I think you should familiarize yourself w/ the stories of Bo Jackson (career ended on 1 play), Earl Campbell (in a wheelchair by 45) and Darryl Talley ('nuff said).  RBs more than any other position have to get themselves paid.  They have one shot at it and I don't begrudge them if they've earned it.

 

Contrast to how their counterparts in Baseball, Basketball and Hockey are compensated, all of who have fully guaranteed contracts.  In the NFL the front office execs have guaranteed contracts (Pegulas still paying Rex and Whaley, right).  

 

I'm all for team players, even home team discount in some cases, but NFL players have the shortest careers and can't put off getting compensated when their performance calls for it.  I don't like antics (see TO in Philly or Antonio Brown quitting on Steelers), but as a course of business I have to be on the players side.

Edited July 26, 2019 by cage

[Chandler#81]

23 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

It's not a Bills issue, so who really cares in here ?

We’re not oblivious to the rest of the League here. We play Dallas this year and may play the Chargers in January. It’s relevant and Bills fans care. Just not as much as we do with Bills issues.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, cage said:

 

 I think you should familiarize yourself w/ the stories of Bo Jackson (career ended on 1 play), Earl Campbell (in a wheelchair by 45) and Darryl Talley ('nuff said).  RBs more than any other position have to get themselves paid.  They have one shot at it and I don't begrudge them if they've earned it.

 

Contrast to how their counterparts in Baseball, Basketball and Hockey are compensated, all of who have guaranteed contracts.  In the NFL the front office execs have guaranteed contracts (Pegulas still paying Rex and Whaley, right).  

 

I'm all for team players, even home team discount in some cases, but NFL players have the shortest careers and can't put off getting compensated when their performance calls for it.  I don't like antics (see TO in Philly or Antonio Brown quitting on Steelers), but as a course of business I have to be on the players side.

 

Yes, I’m quite familiar with the obvious. Teams DO honor the contracts. THAT was my point. You want to change the world? Have at it. If they regret their choice of sport, that’s not my problem. The players picked their sport, and signed the deal. They just need to understand that sitting out may not be the best financial decision.

 

I truly hope L. Bell is happy (though unsuccessful going forward!? ) with his decision to sit out last year and pass on that $14 million. He will NEVER get that money back. I personally would have been fine if Bruce Smith was allowed to sit out every time someone else got a new contract and he wanted more money (right after signing a new deal). I wouldn’t hate him for it. He had that right to pass on that money. And the team has the right to know they signed a deal and were willing to live up to it.  

 

We all knew football was dangerous a long, long time ago. It’s a decision they have to make. I’m fine either way. 

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by Augie

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Eckeler behind an injured Gordon means Elliot will be paid first imo.

If I recall correctly Eckeler has been pretty average to below average when thrusted into the starting rule due to a Gordon injury. 

[GoBills808]

26 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

If I recall correctly Eckeler has been pretty average to below average when thrusted into the starting rule due to a Gordon injury. 

He was kind of hurt too...he’s not nearly the runner Gordon is but he’s tough and a very capable receiving option, way more so than Gordon. Rivers had good chemistry with him. I think if he was prepped for a starting role he could handle it, last season he was a monster coming off the bench...apparently he’s a coaches dream type dude, imo he could be a feature back in that offense.

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

When the teams start honoring the contracts they hand out I'll be on board. Until then the players need to get paid as much as they can while they can.

i agree- as much as the NBA drives me nuts with its contracts i feel NFL players must get when they can because they so seldom get second chances.

[mrags]

3 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Im on the running backs side on this. They play one of most high impact positions in football in terms of physicality and  a lot of people say just run them into the ground and draft another one. Ok then at what point does the good, great running backs get their money then. 
 

A good balance is let them play the 1st 2 years out. If they are good give a big pay upgrade for the last 2 and play it out from there. 

Contracts are contracts. You sign it. You deal with it. This holding out crap has to stop. Don’t sign a contract for the number of years they offer you then. 

[That's No Moon]

32 minutes ago, mrags said:

Contracts are contracts. You sign it. You deal with it. This holding out crap has to stop. Don’t sign a contract for the number of years they offer you then. 

Unless you're the team and you don't like the cap hit, then you can just cut a guy.  One could equally tell the team not to offer years they don't intend to keep the player in order to spread out fake money they have no intention of ever paying over mythical years of a contract that don't really exist so they can pay another player more fake money over several other mythical years that also don't really exist.

[BarleyNY]

39 minutes ago, mrags said:

Contracts are contracts. You sign it. You deal with it.

 

Both the player and the team sign the contract.  Should they both have to honor it?