Rockpile233 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, shrader said: I'm sure it would have been fine with some other title, but there's a whole universe of movies and shows and that one so drastically moved away from the tone of all the others. They went the same path as Marvel, leaning too heavily on the comedy thanks to the success of Guardians of the Galaxy. That style is fine, but not when you already have 7 other movies (yes, I'll even count the prequels) that don't have an ounce of it. A similar move would be to make the next Bond movie a musical. With all the complaints out there about that movie, the thing that really bugged me a lot was some poor development in general. If you want to play up a heroic sacrifice to tug at the heart strings, it needs to be an actually developed character and not someone we just met 30 minutes ago. That would have been a much better death to save for someone at least at the level of Ackbar. I completely agree. I didn’t care about that scene at all. I also thought the Fin/Rose casino mission was beyond stupid. In general the new trilogy has been poorly developed. I didn’t love or hate the force awakens, but was definitely intrigued moving forward. Thought it was a little too New Hope lite, but I wanted to see TLJ. I didn’t need them to do everything the same, but the way Johnson blew it up was just too much. Snoke and the first order were interesting teases in the force awakens. I didn’t necessarily need him to be Palpatine or anything, but the way he was killed off so quickly as a red herring felt pointless. Why even have him if he was going to be completely undeveloped and killed off as quickly as he arrived? I don’t even want to get started on Luke. Even Mark Hamill voiced his displeasure at the characters direction. My biggest issue is not even any part of the movie. I left feeling like it wasn’t that good, but not once did I think about female characters or minority representation. Screw Rian Johnson for latching on to that narrative. I thought everything out of him afterwards directed towards fans was out of line. Some tweets from people representing a fraction of the fan base do not make the entire fan base racist or mysognistic. Rouge One was nearly universally praised and accepted. It had a strong female lead. There wasn’t a good vision for this new trilogy. I stand by that opinion. The fact they are talking about a Rian Johnson trilogy down the line is even more insulting to the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, shrader said: I'm sure it would have been fine with some other title, but there's a whole universe of movies and shows and that one so drastically moved away from the tone of all the others. They went the same path as Marvel, leaning too heavily on the comedy thanks to the success of Guardians of the Galaxy. That style is fine, but not when you already have 7 other movies (yes, I'll even count the prequels) that don't have an ounce of it. A similar move would be to make the next Bond movie a musical. Huh? Episodes IV-VI were full of corny dialogue and humor. I have really enjoyed Episodes VII and VIII. People take some of this schitt way too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LOL great theory but .... she's to pretty to go dark Good must triumph over evil But evil will always triumph because good is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, eball said: Huh? Episodes IV-VI were full of corny dialogue and humor. I have really enjoyed Episodes VII and VIII. People take some of this schitt way too seriously. I liked VII. VIII just didn't build on it very much. It's perfectly fine to not like a movie without "taking it too seriously". As for the humor, they may have had it to some extent in the first ones, but it was never jammed down your throat like it was in VIII. It's fine to go to that well occasionally, but they camped there and then never left. I don't know, maybe when you have someone like Harrison Ford, who oozes charisma, delivering those lines, nothing ever feels forced. 27 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said: I completely agree. I didn’t care about that scene at all. I also thought the Fin/Rose casino mission was beyond stupid. Hell, Finn almost had the heroic sacrifice too until Rose stopped him. That part never made any sense to me. Let's cancel out one kamikaze attack by turning it into two. Killing him off right there would have worked really well with his whole arc in that movie... from coward to hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I've been on the Rey's a Palpatine train since I saw her do the thrust at the end of TFA. I must remain consistent! so many angles to look at. my thoughts .... she was abandoned (kind of like Luke) If Palpatine was a relative and knew she had powers would he let he go free or train her from the get to. I guess I'm thinking too logically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I guess I'm thinking too logically No one would think that of you... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: No one would think that of you... touche' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I guess I'm thinking too logically Wrong franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Wrong franchise. lol Live Long and Prosper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Kylo Ren and Darth Stimpy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: so many angles to look at. my thoughts .... she was abandoned (kind of like Luke) If Palpatine was a relative and knew she had powers would he let he go free or train her from the get to. I guess I'm thinking too logically Their ages are all a mystery, but wouldn't he have been dead by the time she was born? She can't be any older than Kylo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, shrader said: Their ages are all a mystery, but wouldn't he have been dead by the time she was born? She can't be any older than Kylo. Ask @BuffaloHokie13 ... its his Hokie theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, shrader said: Their ages are all a mystery, but wouldn't he have been dead by the time she was born? She can't be any older than Kylo. 9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Ask @BuffaloHokie13 ... its his Hokie theory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, shrader said: But evil will always triumph because good is dumb. Wrong franchise. (Though probably more deserving of a sequel than VIII was/is. RIP John & Joan & any others now dust ~30 years later.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Taro T said: Wrong franchise. (Though probably more deserving of a sequel than VIII was/is. RIP John & Joan & any others now dust ~30 years later.) VIII felt like it could have been a Spaceballs sequels at certain points. Opening the movie with a prank phone call to the first order? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, shrader said: I liked VII. VIII just didn't build on it very much. It's perfectly fine to not like a movie without "taking it too seriously". As for the humor, they may have had it to some extent in the first ones, but it was never jammed down your throat like it was in VIII. It's fine to go to that well occasionally, but they camped there and then never left. I don't know, maybe when you have someone like Harrison Ford, who oozes charisma, delivering those lines, nothing ever feels forced. Hell, Finn almost had the heroic sacrifice too until Rose stopped him. That part never made any sense to me. Let's cancel out one kamikaze attack by turning it into two. Killing him off right there would have worked really well with his whole arc in that movie... from coward to hero. To the bolded, I see what you did there.... ? I agree with everything you're saying. Scenes like that kamikaze one were done simply for the sake of zigging instead of zagging. Johnson/the writers/Disney had the wrong motivations for that movie, so it sucked. However, I think if Abrams finishes the series well, it will make VIII look a little better by association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, shrader said: VIII felt like it could have been a Spaceballs sequels at certain points. Opening the movie with a prank phone call to the first order? They made General Hux go from a menacing and formidable leader of the First Order, to a bumbling boob who is the butt of everyone's jokes. Edited April 16, 2019 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: They made General Hux go from a menacing and formidable leader of the First Order, to a bumbling boob who is the butt of everyone's jokes. Yeah, it was cringe-worthy. They really went with that Marvel comedy trend and it stunk. Just like Ragnarok did, as others have pointed out, but at least that was Marvel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, shrader said: VIII felt like it could have been a Spaceballs sequels at certain points. Opening the movie with a prank phone call to the first order? 23 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: They made General Hux go from a menacing and formidable leader of the First Order, to a bumbling boob who is the butt of everyone's jokes. 12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Yeah, it was cringe-worthy. They really went with that Marvel comedy trend and it stunk. Just like Ragnarok did, as others have pointed out, but at least that was Marvel. You guys are cracking me up. I thought Hux was laughable in VII with the ridiculous overacting and all too easy Hitler comparison. I've always liked that the Star Wars franchise (III-VI) combined a dramatic storyline with lighthearted moments. I don't see that the trend has changed all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Let’s tease this Snoke character, get people talking, and then kill him off before even developing it enough for the audience to care. Cheap shock and awe at its’ finest. More on Hamill/Luke. He’s a professional and eventually toed the company line, but still: But that wasn’t all. Hamill also told Vanity Fair that, after reading the script for The Last Jedi, he told Johnson, “I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.” Edited April 16, 2019 by Rockpile233 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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