Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: So Barr is now afraid to answer questions? Gees. Most transparent administration ever! The House committees are irrelevant side shows. I've told you this for the past several months. The Senate Judiciary is where the power and action is going to be on this because unlike the house committees the senate judiciary has direct oversight over DOJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: The House committees are irrelevant side shows. I've told you this for the past several months. The Senate Judiciary is where the power and action is going to be on this because unlike the house committees the senate judiciary has direct oversight over DOJ. Why would he consent to be party to a circus designed to be nothing more than a perjury trap in order to oust him from office 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The House committees are irrelevant side shows. I've told you this for the past several months. The Senate Judiciary is where the power and action is going to be on this because unlike the house committees the senate judiciary has direct oversight over DOJ. The chief law enforcement officer in the country refusing to testify is a joke. He's telling the House how it can question him? I hope they impeach him if he refuses to testify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Why would he consent to be party to a circus designed to be nothing more than a perjury trap in order to oust him from office Ever hear of checks and balances? A perjury trap? What is he going to lie about? An attorney general afraid of getting caught in a lie. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Why would he consent to be party to a circus designed to be nothing more than a perjury trap in order to oust him from office Because, apparently, the sole function of Congress is to oversee the executive branch, never mind that whole 'legislature' nonsense that doesn't really matter in our Nazi-controlled totalitarian democracy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The chief law enforcement officer in the country refusing to testify is a joke. He's telling the House how it can question him? I hope they impeach him if he refuses to testify. He's not refusing to testify. He was all ready to do so -- then Nadler changed how the hearing would be run and it became clear that Nadler's goal isn't to find truth but to create a media circus. The committee has no oversight over the DOJ directly. That's not their job. Barr doesn't have to appear before them, and if they do issue a subpoena it has to be approved by Barr and the DOJ (that's how nuts the system is -- and how Holder skated by refusing to comply with House subpoenas for years under Obama). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's not refusing to testify. He was all ready to do so -- then Nadler changed how the hearing would be run and it became clear that Nadler's goal isn't to find truth but to create a media circus. The committee has no oversight over the DOJ directly. That's not their job. Barr doesn't have to appear before them, and if they do issue a subpoena it has to be approved by Barr and the DOJ (that's how nuts the system is -- and how Holder skated by refusing to comply with House subpoenas for years under Obama). And a judge ordered Holder to turn over the documents in question which he did. Now here is an AG telling the house how they are allowed to question him? No, that's not how it works, and of course the House has oversight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 It is 8 posts above, but gator continues to twist what is happening...................typical 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's not refusing to testify. He was all ready to do so -- then Nadler changed how the hearing would be run and it became clear that Nadler's goal isn't to find truth but to create a media circus. The committee has no oversight over the DOJ directly. That's not their job. Barr doesn't have to appear before them, and if they do issue a subpoena it has to be approved by Barr and the DOJ (that's how nuts the system is -- and how Holder skated by refusing to comply with House subpoenas for years under Obama). 12 hours ago, B-Man said: HOUSE DEMS AT ODDS WITH BARR OVER TESTIMONY Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee are demanding that, when Attorney General Barr testifies about the Mueller report, he do so under extraordinary conditions. They want to depart from the norm whereby committee members get five minutes each per questioning session and they want Barr to answer questions posed by committee attorneys (in addition to answering the ones committee attorneys will write for the members). Barr has balked at these conditions. Reportedly, he might not agree to testify under them. A DOJ spokesperson says that discussions with committee Dems are ongoing. According to the Washington Post, the last time committee lawyers questioned Cabinet officials during open hearings was in the mid-1980s when Attorney General Meese testified about Iran-Contra. That’s more than 30 years ago. Democrats were in charge of the relevant committee back then, too. I have two thoughts about the current controversy. First, it’s not William Barr’s fault if the Democrats don’t have enough skillful questioners on the Judiciary Committee to conduct effective examination of a witness. Second, it shouldn’t take an Edward Bennett Williams to question Barr. According to the Post, the main subject of interest here is Robert Mueller’s report and, in particular, alleged discrepancies between the report and Barr’s short summary of it. But the Mueller report speaks for itself, and Barr did not write it. Barr’s summary also speaks for itself. It there are discrepancies between the report and the summary (there are not), committee members should be able to point them out. If they need help, committee attorneys can identify them for the members. If the issue is why didn’t Barr include this or that bit of information in his report, such questions are easily asked. If the issue is Barr’s legal conclusion that the facts described in the Mueller report don’t amount to obstruction of justice, Barr’s analysis is straightforward. If members want to argue with Barr about it, they can do so. But special expertise in examining witnesses is not required where the issue is a matter of law, not fact. I have looked forward to Barr’s testimony because I’m confident he will demonstrate the unreasonableness of the Democrats’ attacks on him. However, the Democrats, by demanding exceptional procedures, have doubled-down on unreasonableness. Therefore, I hope Barr sticks to his guns. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/house-dems-at-odds-with-barr-over-testimony.php . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: And a judge ordered Holder to turn over the documents in question which he did. Now here is an AG telling the house how they are allowed to question him? No, that's not how it works, and of course the House has oversight He did not turn over the documents. There is still an ongoing court battle over it years later -- and it'll be years before its settled in court. The House does not have direct oversight over the DOJ. That's the Senate's job. Facts are fickle things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: It is 8 posts above, but gator continues to twist what is happening...................typical He's refusing. Subpoena him and hold him in contempt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: He's refusing. Subpoena him and hold him in contempt! He's the AG. If they subpoena him, it has to go through his office. He can ignore it, as Holder and Obama's officials did for years. It's a flaw in the system in my opinion, but it's how it's set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's the AG. If they subpoena him, it has to go through his office. He can ignore it, as Holder and Obama's officials did for years. It's a flaw in the system in my opinion, but it's how it's set up. Have to go through the process before he gets impeached. Going after the kings corrupt, lying ministers is the tried and tested method of diminishing the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Have to go through the process before he gets impeached. Going after the kings corrupt, lying ministers is the tried and tested method of diminishing the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Isn't that them actually testifying? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) Things, most everyone on this board understands Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee are demanding that, when Attorney General Barr testifies about the Mueller report, he do so under extraordinary conditions. They want to depart from the norm whereby committee members get five minutes each per questioning session and they want Barr to answer questions posed by committee attorneys (in addition to answering the ones committee attorneys will write for the members). According to the Washington Post, the last time committee lawyers questioned Cabinet officials during open hearings was in the mid-1980s when Attorney General Meese testified about Iran-Contra. That’s more than 30 years ago . No official, on either side would agree to this. It is NOT just refusing to testify . Edited April 30, 2019 by B-Man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Isn't that them actually testifying? Yes No, that was them stonewalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The day before Barr is set to testify, we get a sensational headline from the WaPo which assaults Barr's credibility while the article itself contradicts its headline (but that part was ignored for the 5pm news cycle). Meanwhile the DNC leadership played nice today with the administration... contradicting the conspirators' entire narrative. Then tonight John Solomon puts Nellie Ohr, Fusion GPS, and 44's DOJ back into the spotlight right after this story is bumped back into the conversation: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/trump-gps-fusion-tweet-dossier-244304 Expect a show of it tomorrow from the democrat senators, will be interesting to see how Graham manages the hearing. But ultimately I expect tomorrow's hearing isn't going to go the way the conspirators' are hoping it will. They know it too ... hence, the WaPo hail mary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Copy of Barr's prepared statement for tomorrow: https://www.scribd.com/document/408241110/AG-Written-Statement-for-the-Record#fullscreen&from_embed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The day before Barr is set to testify, we get a sensational headline from the WaPo which assaults Barr's credibility while the article itself contradicts its headline (but that part was ignored for the 5pm news cycle). Meanwhile the DNC leadership played nice today with the administration... contradicting the conspirators' entire narrative. Then tonight John Solomon puts Nellie Ohr, Fusion GPS, and 44's DOJ back into the spotlight right after this story is bumped back into the conversation: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/trump-gps-fusion-tweet-dossier-244304 Expect a show of it tomorrow from the democrat senators, will be interesting to see how Graham manages the hearing. But ultimately I expect tomorrow's hearing isn't going to go the way the conspirators' are hoping it will. They know it too ... hence, the WaPo hail mary. Oh geez... This place is always good for a laugh at least. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Barr being referred to IG for investigation A dozen Democratic senators on Tuesday called for the Justice Department'sinspector general and the Office of Professional Responsibility to launch an investigation into Attorney General William Barr's handling of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report.17 hours ago Democratic senators call for DOJ inspector general to investigate ... https://www.foxnews.com/.../democratic-senators-call-for-doj-inspector-general-to-inves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The clown car rolls on! Now that the Report has been published you can read it for yourself! There’s zero purpose in critiquing the quality of the ‘movie trailer’ now that the film’s already in theaters! Does the audience want their money back? Did they think the Mueller Report was going to be a comedy and it turned out to be a tragedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh geez... This place is always good for a laugh at least. What is it that made you laugh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The clown car rolls on! Now that the Report has been published you can read it for yourself! There’s zero purpose in critiquing the quality of the ‘movie trailer’ now that the film’s already in theaters! Does the audience want their money back? Did they think the Mueller Report was going to be a comedy and it turned out to be a tragedy? Sure seems like Mueller was upset with what Barr did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Please everyone, get your Stupid Vaccination. There are enough stupid people making stupid posts and then coming here that it's important that we stop this virus right away. The discourse here continues to suffer from not only the old stand-bys but also the newbies who think they have something to offer without actually knowing jackshit about the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh geez... This place is always good for a laugh at least. There was a coup attempt, and that coup was attempted in order to hide massive illegal spying coordinated by the prior administration in order to hide a bevy of treasonous activity including an attempted fix of a federal election, murder of an American citizen, the sale of state secrets and resources to our enemies, and the systemic spying on members of Congress, SCOTUS justices, and others in order to influence their decision making through blackmail. People are going to jail for this. Others may be executed. Prepare yourself for this reality. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: There was a coup attempt, and that coup was attempted in order to hide massive illegal spying coordinated by the prior administration in order to hide a bevy of treasonous activity including an attempted fix of a federal election, murder of an American citizen, the sale of state secrets and resources to our enemies, and the systemic spying on members of Congress, SCOTUS justices, and others in order to influence their decision making through blackmail. People are going to jail for this. Others may be executed. Prepare yourself for this reality. No one's being executed. Assassinated, maybe. But not executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 nothing will happen to a liberal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: There was a coup attempt, and that coup was attempted in order to hide massive illegal spying coordinated by the prior administration in order to hide a bevy of treasonous activity including an attempted fix of a federal election, murder of an American citizen, the sale of state secrets and resources to our enemies, and the systemic spying on members of Congress, SCOTUS justices, and others in order to influence their decision making through blackmail. People are going to jail for this. Others may be executed. Prepare yourself for this reality. he won't. have you seen him cling to any narrative he has? he won't believe it until it has already happened. and even then he still may not. Edited May 1, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 https://amgreatness.com/2019/04/29/the-real-bombshells-are-about-to-hit-their-targets/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: No one's being executed. Assassinated, maybe. But not executed. It depends on how much is handled in military tribunals rather than civilian courts. I don’t at all disagree about assassination attempts, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transplantbillsfan Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: There was a coup attempt, and that coup was attempted in order to hide massive illegal spying coordinated by the prior administration in order to hide a bevy of treasonous activity including an attempted fix of a federal election, murder of an American citizen, the sale of state secrets and resources to our enemies, and the systemic spying on members of Congress, SCOTUS justices, and others in order to influence their decision making through blackmail. People are going to jail for this. Others may be executed. Prepare yourself for this reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, transplantbillsfan said: You laugh -- but I've yet to see you add anything of substance to this topic or discussion. Almost as if you're unaware of the facts... They're going to surprise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I tell you this not to convince you, as you’ve demonstrated an inability to absorb new information, and reform your positions based on it. I tell you this so that as the reckoning is proceeding (it’s just starting to move now), you’ll understand what is going on around you. As an aside, when it does begin, and the indictments start to flow, what will you do? Edited May 1, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: As an aside, when it does begin, and the indictments start to flow, what will you do? He'll do the usual ...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I tell you this not to convince you, as you’ve demonstrated an inability to absorb new information, and reform your positions based on it. I tell you this so that as the reckoning is proceeding (it’s just starting to move now), you’ll understand what is going on around you. As an aside, when it does begin, and the indictments start to flow, what will you do? Here's his spokesman: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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