2019 NFL Draft Running Back Prospect Primer

[mrags]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Our running game will be significantly better due to our OL.  It will benefit from having Beasley and Brown out there extending drives.  Our running game wasn’t pitiful last year because of our RBs.  

 

You act as if we can’t draft a solid RB (if not an all pro rb) in rd 3-4.  There are several RBs pegged to go in rd 3+ that have a chance to be good starting RBs

Everything you said can be said about a DLmen in the 3rd or 4th too. Kyle Williams was a 5th rounder. Just saying. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Everything you said can be said about a DLmen in the 3rd or 4th too. Kyle Williams was a 5th rounder. Just saying. 

It can be “said” for any position, but it rings true more for RBs than for DL.  There’s a reason why there are rarely multiple RBs taken in rd 1 and there are usually 7-8 DL

[mrags]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It can be “said” for any position, but it rings true more for RBs than for DL.  There’s a reason why there are rarely multiple RBs taken in rd 1 and there are usually 7-8 DL

That may be true, but you can usually go back in the drafts and pick out first round RBs being dominant. 

 

2018:

Barkley

Michel

 

2017:

Fournette

McCaffrey

 

2016:

Elliott

Henry (early 2nd)

 

2015:

Gurley

Gordon

 

That’s 8 in the last 4 years that are not only good but dominant as far as nfl standards. Complete offense changers. Michel is a bit of a stretch, but time will tell, once Brady hangs up hits cleats. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, mrags said:

That may be true, but you can usually go back in the drafts and pick out first round RBs being dominant. 

 

2018:

Barkley

Michel

 

2017:

Fournette

McCaffrey

 

2016:

Elliott

Henry (early 2nd)

 

2015:

Gurley

Gordon

 

That’s 8 in the last 4 years that are not only good but dominant as far as nfl standards. Complete offense changers. Michel is a bit of a stretch, but time will tell, once Brady hangs up hits cleats. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, now list the DL.

 

and we won’t even bother listing the first rd RBs from 2008-2014.......because it doesn’t fit your agenda 

Edited April 5, 2019 by NewEra

[atlbillsfan1975]

No way the Bills take a RB in the first with the 9th pick. 

Holyfield in the third is also a stretch. I am a UGA fan and don’t see Holyfield going till the 4/5 round. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

13 hours ago, Pete said:

Josh Jacobs is my sleeper Bills pick, hopefully after a trade down.  That's if there is a huge run on DL.  My first pick is Oliver and DL.  But they all might be gone.  Then who know who Beane has top of his board at that point

I strongly believe he is higher on the Bills board than most people would think. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

I'm all about whoever is left from Henderson, Montgomery, and Hill with our first pick on day 3. I would also consider Henderson at the end of day 2, maybe in a trade up to the end of the 3rd round.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

My guy is Devine Ozigbo-Nebraska but I also wouldn't mind James Williams-Washington State or Bryce Love-Stanford. The galaxy part of my brain wants us to take Ozigbo in the 4th and Love in the 5th. That way next year when Gore and McCoy are gone we already have our 1-2 punch.

 

Would need to put Love on the PUP list all season. Treat it like a redshirt year.

[Pete]

What happens if Shady is hurt(like he was a lot last year?  Are we going to make Gore featured back?  Bills are drafting a RB early IMO.  It's much bigger need than OL or WR at this point

[Maynard]

I’d like Henderson or Singletary the best. If I were one of these backs I’d be praying I end up in Buffalo. Can you imagine being able to learn from McCoy and Gore???? Be a dream come true. 

[Pete]

1 minute ago, Maynard said:

I’d like Henderson or Singletary the best. If I were one of these backs I’d be praying I end up in Buffalo. Can you imagine being able to learn from McCoy and Gore???? Be a dream come true. 

I like Jacobs, Henderson, Singletary and Miles Sanders a lot.  If the Bills walk away with a stud DT, TE, and RB- I will be pumped!

[thebandit27]

Trayveon is my boy 

[TigerJ]

I like Justice Hill and Ryquell Armstead.  I also like my deep sleeper pick Kerrith Whyte.  We could likely sign him as a UDFA

[YoloinOhio]

17 hours ago, mrags said:

Decided to look into this a little more. Now that we may actually have our starting OL before the draft even kicks off, do we take a RB early???

 

are any of these guys the next Barkley or Elliot? Are any of these guys worthy of the 9th pick overall? What if we trade down but still take the first RB off the board? 

 

Who is the best of the class? Is there a clear cut number 1 RB coming out? 

 

Ive been watching some videos and really like  Montgomery from Iowa State. 

 

What say you?

No Barkley/Elliott (run, catch, block  +speed and size)

 

Some draft analysts will say Josh Jacobs is worthy of the 9th pick. Others disagree. He’s the #1 RB on most boards. It is a very deep RB draft, but not top heavy 

 

love Montgomery - would be thrilled if Bills pick him 

Edited April 5, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[mrags]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Ok, now list the DL.

 

and we won’t even bother listing the first rd RBs from 2008-2014.......because it doesn’t fit your agenda 

2014 and 13 didn’t have any first round RBs but their 2nd rounders were pretty good. Still makes a point for my argument for a early RB. So since you wanted me to go farther back, why stop at 2008? Is it because 2007 had some HOFers?

 

2014 2nd Rounders:

Hill was decent for a time

Hyde

 

2013 2nd rounders:

Bernard was also decent

Bell

 

2012 had nobody but Richardson was picked 3rd overall along with 2 other first rounders. 

 

2011:

Ingram who is still very good today

 

2010:

CJ Spiller who everyone here thought was so good

Mathews was very good for a short time

 

2009:

Donald Brown was pretty good

2nd rounder McCoy. Never heard of him. 

 

2008:

Jonathan Stewart

Chris Johnson 

2nd rounders:

Forte

Rice

 

2007:

Peterson

Lynch

 

2006:

Bush

Deangelo Williams

Addai

2nd rounder:

Maurice Jones Drew

 

2005:

Frank Gore in the 3rd

 

2004;

Steven Jackson

 

 

You are wrong thinking that I don’t want and think we need DL help. We do. Im not saying we don’t. I’m simply saying that the stud workhorse RBs that are drafted early are usually game changers and offense changers for their teams. Every RB that I listed did that for their teams for multiple years. Some of them set the league on fire. 

 

You cannot even bunch the DL together with RBs when looking at past years picks because there’s 4x as many. Multiple different positions. Players changing from 3/4olbs to 4/3des. From DTs to DEs and vice versa. But since you asked for it I’ll give it a shot. I’ll just list them all for you and you can tell me which ones are superstars. How bout that. 

 

 

2018:

Chubb

 

Vea

Payne

Davenport

Bryan

 

2017:

Garrett

Thomas

Barnett

Allen

Harris

McKinley

Charlton

 

2016:

Bosa

Buckner

Rankins

Lawson

Clark

Nkimdeche

Butler

 

2015:

Williams

Shelton

Armstead

Ray

Brown

 

2014:

Clowney

Donald

Ford

Smith

Easley

 

2013:

Jordan

Ansah

Richardson

Lotuleli

Floyd

Jones

Williams

 

2012:

Poe

Cox

Brockers

Irvin

Coples

McClellin

Jones

 

2011:

Dareus

Watt

Fairley

Quinn

Luiget

Clayborn

Taylor

Jordan

Wilkerson

Hayward

 

2010:

Suh

McCoy

Alualu 

Graham

Pierre-Paul

Morgan

Williams

Odrick

Hughes

 

2009:

Jackson

Raji

Maybin

Orakpo

English

Jerry

Hood

 

2008:

Long

Dorsey

Ellis

Harvey

Jackson

Balmer

 

 

Out of 75 guys listed as DL per the NFLs website: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position&position=DL

 

Id say only about 13 of those guys are serious consideration for defense changers:

Chubb-Maybe, well see

Garrett

Bosa

Clowney

Donald

Richardson-Maybe

Cox-Maybe

Dareus-For a time

Watt

Suh

Pierre-Paul

Dorsey

Ellis

 

so your argument has been noted. But proved wrong based on how many busts or DLmen that were drafted in the 1st round but never amounted to anything. To put into perspective, there were 75 DL drafted in the first round, from 08-18. there was only 44 RBs in the first round from 04-18. And I included the 2nd and 3rd rounders that I listed from the same time span. It’s probably a 40-50% rate that early RBs are at the least very good. Vs about 20-40% that DEs and DTs are very good. Someone else can do the exact math. My brain hurts from proving you wrong. 

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by mrags

[mrags]

39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No Barkley/Elliott (run, catch, block  +speed and size)

 

Some draft analysts will say Josh Jacobs is worthy of the 9th pick. Others disagree. He’s the #1 RB on most boards. It is a very deep RB draft, but not top heavy 

 

love Montgomery - would be thrilled if Bills pick him 

Well. That was my question from the start. I don’t follow college at all so I have no idea how good these guys really are. I’ve heard names and seen some highlights. But highlights are just that.... highlights. They aren’t showing the bad plays. They aren’t showing the things these players don’t do well. 

 

There will be at least one stud coming out of the bunch. The question is, which one will it be. When will they be drafted. As I stated above, the % of good RBs drafted in the first to 2nd round is actually pretty high. I’d just like to see if one is worth taking at 9. Or a trade down and taking later in the first. Who knows, maybe take the best DL at 9 and trade back into the 1st to get the RB you want in the 20s somewhere. 

 

I dont think we are fine at DL. We def need help there. But at 9, there’s a serious possibility that the good ones will be gone. Bosa, Allen, Oliver, Williams, Gary, Wilkins. They are all good. Will any of them be there. At that point is it better to trade back. Take the best RB in the draft and then go back to DL in later rounds? 

 

Again, I don’t follow college. I really have no idea how good all these guys are. I’m simply watching videos and trying to compare. I’m trying to gauge what our needs are. I’m trying to decipher which one of these guys might be a true game changer and which ones might only be rotational guys. 

[Chicken Boo]

I seriously doubt Beane will go RB early, but Myles Gaskin is my guy.  I do not care what the combine numbers say.  I know what I see.

 

 

An all purpose star that can be had later in the draft.

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[NewEra]

51 minutes ago, mrags said:

2014 and 13 didn’t have any first round RBs but their 2nd rounders were pretty good. Still makes a point for my argument for a early RB. So since you wanted me to go farther back, why stop at 2008? Is it because 2007 had some HOFers?

 

2014 2nd Rounders:

Hill was decent for a time

Hyde

 

2013 2nd rounders:

Bernard was also decent

Bell

 

2012 had nobody but Richardson was picked 3rd overall along with 2 other first rounders. 

 

2011:

Ingram who is still very good today

 

2010:

CJ Spiller who everyone here thought was so good

Mathews was very good for a short time

 

2009:

Donald Brown was pretty good

2nd rounder McCoy. Never heard of him. 

 

2008:

Jonathan Stewart

Chris Johnson 

2nd rounders:

Forte

Rice

 

2007:

Peterson

Lynch

 

2006:

Bush

Deangelo Williams

Addai

2nd rounder:

Maurice Jones Drew

 

2005:

Frank Gore in the 3rd

 

2004;

Steven Jackson

 

 

You are wrong thinking that I don’t want and think we need DL help. We do. Im not saying we don’t. I’m simply saying that the stud workhorse RBs that are drafted early are usually game changers and offense changers for their teams. Every RB that I listed did that for their teams for multiple years. Some of them set the league on fire. 

 

You cannot even bunch the DL together with RBs when looking at past years picks because there’s 4x as many. Multiple different positions. Players changing from 3/4olbs to 4/3des. From DTs to DEs and vice versa. But since you asked for it I’ll give it a shot. I’ll just list them all for you and you can tell me which ones are superstars. How bout that. 

 

 

2018:

Chubb

 

Vea

Payne

Davenport

Bryan

 

2017:

Garrett

Thomas

Barnett

Allen

Harris

McKinley

Charlton

 

2016:

Bosa

Buckner

Rankins

Lawson

Clark

Nkimdeche

Butler

 

2015:

Williams

Shelton

Armstead

Ray

Brown

 

2014:

Clowney

Donald

Ford

Smith

Easley

 

2013:

Jordan

Ansah

Richardson

Lotuleli

Floyd

Jones

Williams

 

2012:

Poe

Cox

Brockers

Irvin

Coples

McClellin

Jones

 

2011:

Dareus

Watt

Fairley

Quinn

Luiget

Clayborn

Taylor

Jordan

Wilkerson

Hayward

 

2010:

Suh

McCoy

Alualu 

Graham

Pierre-Paul

Morgan

Williams

Odrick

Hughes

 

2009:

Jackson

Raji

Maybin

Orakpo

English

Jerry

Hood

 

2008:

Long

Dorsey

Ellis

Harvey

Jackson

Balmer

 

 

Out of 75 guys listed as DL per the NFLs website: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position&position=DL

 

Id say only about 13 of those guys are serious consideration for defense changers:

Chubb-Maybe, well see

Garrett

Bosa

Clowney

Donald

Richardson-Maybe

Cox-Maybe

Dareus-For a time

Watt

Suh

Pierre-Paul

Dorsey

Ellis

 

so your argument has been noted. But proved wrong based on how many busts or DLmen that were drafted in the 1st round but never amounted to anything. To put into perspective, there were 75 DL drafted in the first round, from 08-18. there was only 44 RBs in the first round from 04-18. And I included the 2nd and 3rd rounders that I listed from the same time span. It’s probably a 40-50% rate that early RBs are at the least very good. Vs about 20-40% that DEs and DTs are very good. Someone else can do the exact math. My brain hurts from proving you wrong. 

 

Lol.  Hilarious.  Glad you wasted all that time.

 

Edit:  my point is that the entire nfl views DL as more valuable than RBs.  Better bang for the buck drafting DL early.  My point has NOTHING to do with players bustin.  Zero

 

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by NewEra

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lol.  Hilarious.  Glad you wasted all that time.

Yeah, that would probably be my response too if I was hugely proven wrong. I wouldn’t have any kind of comeback at all. Either reply the way you did, or just crawl back into your dark hole and call it a day. And we all know your not doing that. 

 

Regardless what you state the “entire NFL views DLmen more valuable than RBs”. The facts still prove you.... and the NFL incorrect that there’s a better percentage of RBs drafted early that become not only good, but dominant than there are DLmen that do. It’s not even close. 

 

So back to my point all along. If your not picking very early, the very few DLmen that are serious game changers will already be gone. At that point do you take your chance in drafting a DLmen that will only be a body, or do you draft a RB that might change the offensive identity of your team and set the league on fire for years to come? Because at 9 we aren’t getting Bosa, Allen, Williams, and most likely Oliver. 

[mrags]

33 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I seriously doubt Beane will go RB early, but Myles Gaskin is my guy.  I do not care what the combine numbers say.  I know what I see.

 

 

An all purpose star that can be had later in the draft.

 

I like the video. Kid looks good. But I think he might be a little on the small side. He doesn’t seem like an every down back to me based on that. I’ve seen him listed anywhere from 5’9” to 5’11” and weighing anywhere from 194-211. Something tells me he’s more 5’9” and 195 than on the high side. And that feels like an exaggeration honestly. He just looks smaller. 

 

He he was definitely explosive in the vids I’ve seen. But can he bring that to NFL caliber defenses? Can he out muscle then for yards. Can he outrun them? 

[NewEra]

51 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yeah, that would probably be my response too if I was hugely proven wrong. I wouldn’t have any kind of comeback at all. Either reply the way you did, or just crawl back into your dark hole and call it a day. And we all know your not doing that. 

 

Regardless what you state the “entire NFL views DLmen more valuable than RBs”. The facts still prove you.... and the NFL incorrect that there’s a better percentage of RBs drafted early that become not only good, but dominant than there are DLmen that do. It’s not even close. 

 

So back to my point all along. If your not picking very early, the very few DLmen that are serious game changers will already be gone. At that point do you take your chance in drafting a DLmen that will only be a body, or do you draft a RB that might change the offensive identity of your team and set the league on fire for years to come? Because at 9 we aren’t getting Bosa, Allen, Williams, and most likely Oliver. 

I had Quintuple bypass 2 weeks ago today.  The last thing I want to do right now is argue about something that You know I’m right.  There’s a reason DL is the 2nd highest paid position in football and RB is near the bottom.  DL is valued at a MUCH higher clip.  It’s not even close.  

 

That being said.  Ok, you’re right Mrags.  Move on. Thanks 

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I had Quintuple bypass 2 weeks ago today.  The last thing I want to do right now is argue about something that You know I’m right.  There’s a reason DL is the 2nd highest paid position in football and RB is near the bottom.  DL is valued at a MUCH higher clip.  It’s not even close.  

 

That being said.  Ok, you’re right Mrags.  Move on. Thanks 

Well, I’m dealing with a massive bunion and a bad case of gout right now. 

 

Fwiw, I hope your doing ok. But you probably shouldn’t be on here arguing with people that are right all the time 

Edited April 5, 2019 by mrags

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

Well, I’m dealing with a massive bunion and a bad case of gout right now. 

 

Gout pain is worse than the Quintuple bypass pain!  No doubt.  The worst part about the bypass is the mental hurdles and not being able to eat wings 24/7

 

edit:  AND not being able to sleep on my side or stomach.  Really sucks having to sleep on my back every night 

Edited April 5, 2019 by NewEra

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Well. That was my question from the start. I don’t follow college at all so I have no idea how good these guys really are. I’ve heard names and seen some highlights. But highlights are just that.... highlights. They aren’t showing the bad plays. They aren’t showing the things these players don’t do well. 

 

There will be at least one stud coming out of the bunch. The question is, which one will it be. When will they be drafted. As I stated above, the % of good RBs drafted in the first to 2nd round is actually pretty high. I’d just like to see if one is worth taking at 9. Or a trade down and taking later in the first. Who knows, maybe take the best DL at 9 and trade back into the 1st to get the RB you want in the 20s somewhere. 

 

I dont think we are fine at DL. We def need help there. But at 9, there’s a serious possibility that the good ones will be gone. Bosa, Allen, Oliver, Williams, Gary, Wilkins. They are all good. Will any of them be there. At that point is it better to trade back. Take the best RB in the draft and then go back to DL in later rounds? 

 

Again, I don’t follow college. I really have no idea how good all these guys are. I’m simply watching videos and trying to compare. I’m trying to gauge what our needs are. I’m trying to decipher which one of these guys might be a true game changer and which ones might only be rotational guys. 

I watch a lot (too much) CFB and if I had to bet on which RB out of all of them this year would be the best as a rookie (it’s hard to predict entire careers) i would choose Miles Sanders 

[BuffAlone]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I watch a lot (too much) CFB and if I had to bet on which RB out of all of them this year would be the best as a rookie (it’s hard to predict entire careers) i would choose Miles Sanders 

Thats my guy! If we could snag him in the 3rd, I'd be ecstatic 

[ColoradoBills]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Gout pain is worse than the Quintuple bypass pain!  No doubt.  The worst part about the bypass is the mental hurdles and not being able to eat wings 24/7

 

edit:  AND not being able to sleep on my side or stomach.  Really sucks having to sleep on my back every night 

 

Never had a bypass but gout was crippling my life until I started taking Allopurinol every day.

To merge the subject, never draft a RB with the gout.

Beane drafts a RB in the 4th or 5th.

[mrags]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Gout pain is worse than the Quintuple bypass pain!  No doubt.  The worst part about the bypass is the mental hurdles and not being able to eat wings 24/7

 

edit:  AND not being able to sleep on my side or stomach.  Really sucks having to sleep on my back every night 

With all arguments aside. What do you want to do if all those early DLmen are gone at 9? 

 

Like I said. There’s a huge chance that Williams, Bosa, Sweat, Oliver, Allen are gone. It’s not worth it to reach at 9 for a guy that can be had later in the 1st or 2nd round. 

 

What about Wilkins, Burns, Polite in the late first or early 2nd? If that’s the case, are you still dead set against taking a game changing RB at 9 or later in the first and then still getting Burns or Polite or Wilkins by trading back into the first? 

 

This is is a message board full of opinions. Let’s hear them. 

 

You cannot deny  that our RBs are not only old, but are coming off a their incredibly declining numbers, year after year. McCoy is on the final year of his contract. and Gore is.....well, like 68 years old. 

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Never had a bypass but gout was crippling my life until I started taking Allopurinol every day.

To merge the subject, never draft a RB with the gout.

Beane drafts a RB in the 4th or 5th.

What about turf toe? Or plantar fasciitis?

23 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Thats my guy! If we could snag him in the 3rd, I'd be ecstatic 

I like the kid. Feel similar about him as I do about Gaskins. Seems smaller to me than I’d prefer in a. Every down back. But that might be just what I see in the videos. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by mrags

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

What about turf toe? Or plantar fasciitis?

 

 

Not sure about turf toe but never draft a FS with plantar fasciitis!

[BuffAlone]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

With all arguments aside. What do you want to do if all those early DLmen are gone at 9? 

 

Like I said. There’s a huge chance that Williams, Bosa, Sweat, Oliver, Allen are gone. It’s not worth it to reach at 9 for a guy that can be had later in the 1st or 2nd round. 

 

What about Wilkins, Burns, Polite in the late first or early 2nd? If that’s the case, are you still dead set against taking a game changing RB at 9 or later in the first and then still getting Burns or Polite or Wilkins by trading back into the first? 

 

This is is a message board full of opinions. Let’s hear them. 

 

You cannot sent that our RBs are not only old, but are coming off a their incredibly declining numbers, year after year. McCoy is on the final year of his contract. and Gore is.....well, like 68 years old. 

What about turf toe? Or plantar fasciitis?

I like the kid. Feel similar about him as I do about Gaskins. Seems smaller to me than I’d prefer in a. Every down back. But that might be just what I see in the videos. 

5'11 215lbs. Great lower body power. The kid could very easily be a 3 down back IMO

[mrags]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

Not sure about turf toe but never draft a FS with plantar fasciitis!

Not even if his dad played? 

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, mrags said:

With all arguments aside. What do you want to do if all those early DLmen are gone at 9? 

 

Like I said. There’s a huge chance that Williams, Bosa, Sweat, Oliver, Allen are gone. It’s not worth it to reach at 9 for a guy that can be had later in the 1st or 2nd round. 

 

What about Wilkins, Burns, Polite in the late first or early 2nd? If that’s the case, are you still dead set against taking a game changing RB at 9 or later in the first and then still getting Burns or Polite or Wilkins by trading back into the first? 

 

This is is a message board full of opinions. Let’s hear them. 

 

You cannot deny  that our RBs are not only old, but are coming off a their incredibly declining numbers, year after year. McCoy is on the final year of his contract. and Gore is.....well, like 68 years old. 

What about turf toe? Or plantar fasciitis?

I like the kid. Feel similar about him as I do about Gaskins. Seems smaller to me than I’d prefer in a. Every down back. But that might be just what I see in the videos. 

Gaskins will go much lower than Sanders. His film is no bueno and he has tons of wear on the tires 

Edited April 5, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[mrags]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

5'11 215lbs. Great lower body power. The kid could very easily be a 3 down back IMO

If 5’11” and 215lbs is actually correct and not false info. We all know teams and players personal sites list false info. I’m just going by what I see when I watch him. He just seems small to me. 

[BuffAlone]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

If 5’11” and 215lbs is actually correct and not false info. We all know teams and players personal sites list false info. I’m just going by what I see when I watch him. He just seems small to me. 

5'10 5/8 and 211lbs at combine. Ran a 4.5 40. Has perfect size IMO. Low mileage. Can catch. Good looking prospect. My favorite RB in the draft, but I might be biased as I often work on campus and live nearby. Great kid tho

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

5'10 5/8 and 211lbs at combine. Ran a 4.5 40. Has perfect size IMO. Low mileage. Can catch. Good looking prospect. My favorite RB in the draft, but I might be biased as I often work on campus and live nearby. Great kid tho

I’d prefer a bigger back moving forward myself. They can’t all be Henry or Fournette. But I’d like a bigger more physical back that can still do it all. I haven’t seen enough of Sanders to determine that. But that size is inflated probably. Even at the combine. These guys bulk up or slim down to fit a certain profile. Like how Maybin added weight for the combine and was still at 244. We all knew he was seriously undersized at the time. Hell, bull up by drinking a gallon of water before your weigh in and add about 8 and a half pounds. Piss it all out before you start running. 

[BuffAlone]

6 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’d prefer a bigger back moving forward myself. They can’t all be Henry or Fournette. But I’d like a bigger more physical back that can still do it all. I haven’t seen enough of Sanders to determine that. But that size is inflated probably. Even at the combine. These guys bulk up or slim down to fit a certain profile. Like how Maybin added weight for the combine and was still at 244. We all knew he was seriously undersized at the time. Hell, bull up by drinking a gallon of water before your weigh in and add about 8 and a half pounds. Piss it all out before you start running. 

I hear ya on the weight, but he's very thickly built waist down. The height can't be disputed. Give him a couple years in a weight room and dietary regime, and age itself, and he's gonna pretty well maintain that if not add a few lbs

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, mrags said:

With all arguments aside. What do you want to do if all those early DLmen are gone at 9? 

 

Like I said. There’s a huge chance that Williams, Bosa, Sweat, Oliver, Allen are gone. It’s not worth it to reach at 9 for a guy that can be had later in the 1st or 2nd round. 

 

What about Wilkins, Burns, Polite in the late first or early 2nd? If that’s the case, are you still dead set against taking a game changing RB at 9 or later in the first and then still getting Burns or Polite or Wilkins by trading back into the first? 

 

This is is a message board full of opinions. Let’s hear them. 

 

You cannot sent that our RBs are not only old, but are coming off a their incredibly declining numbers, year after year. McCoy is on the final year of his contract. and Gore is.....well, like 68 years old. 

What about turf toe? Or plantar fasciitis?

I like the kid. Feel similar about him as I do about Gaskins. Seems smaller to me than I’d prefer in a. Every down back. But that might be just what I see in the videos. 

I’d be ok with wilkins.  I think he’s a sure fire very good player that can rush the passer and defend the run.  

 

Burns is polarizing.  Is he a DE or a Strong side rush backer for us?  He could be the best pass rusher in the draft when it’s said and done.  Best fit is 3-4 OLB imo.

 

Rashan Gary.-  I’ll be in the hospital seconds after I hear his name announced as a Buffalo Bill.

 

Devin White-  if he’s there, he’s probably BPA.  While I love the TE and MM linebacker tandem and I don’t think he have much use for 3 stud LBs as we play so much nickel.  He’d be an instant upgrade at MLB over edmunds and Edmunds would be an upgrade over Lorax.  Move Lorax to DE for his pass rushing.   It makes sense.

 

polite-  see Gary. Not a 1st rd pick imo.

 

Jawaan Taylor-  sign me up.  I’m not sold on any of our tackles long term.  Josh Allen needs protection.  

 

Andre Dilliard-  if Taylor is gone and he’s our pick, I understand it.  Would obviously rather trade down and get him, but I think he’s going to be very good.

 

Tj Hockenson- see Dilliard.  Won’t not be the BPA but I think he’s going to be VERY good and perfect fit for our team.  

 

Metcalf-  meh.  Could be special.  Could be broken neck.  No thanks.

 

Ferrell-  solid player.  Would prefer him in a trade down and wouldn’t be excited about him at 9.

 

Jonah Williams-  no thanks. He’s a guard imo.  

 

Devin Bush-  nice player but he’s not Devin White imo.  wouldn’t be happy with him at 9.  

 

Josh Jacobs.  One of my favorite College RBs in recent memory.  Love him.  Don’t want to draft him with our first pick.  Would rather draft Henderson, Montgomery, sanders, traveon Williams, Devin singletary, Damien Harris, justice Hill, Devine ozigbo, Rodney Anderson, Mike Weber, Bennie snell and Bryce love in rds 3-6.  Which was my overall point.  

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’d prefer a bigger back moving forward myself. They can’t all be Henry or Fournette. But I’d like a bigger more physical back that can still do it all. I haven’t seen enough of Sanders to determine that. But that size is inflated probably. Even at the combine. These guys bulk up or slim down to fit a certain profile. Like how Maybin added weight for the combine and was still at 244. We all knew he was seriously undersized at the time. Hell, bull up by drinking a gallon of water before your weigh in and add about 8 and a half pounds. Piss it all out before you start running. 

He played at 215

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Gaskins will go much lower than Sanders. His film is no bueno and he has tons of wear on the tires 

Hate gaskins.  

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Hate gaskins.  

I was so worried about him leading up to the rose bowl because he had been insanely productive at Washington, but I don’t like him either at the next level 

[mrags]

45 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

I hear ya on the weight, but he's very thickly built waist down. The height can't be disputed. Give him a couple years in a weight room and dietary regime, and age itself, and he's gonna pretty well maintain that if not add a few lbs

Can’t deny this. But it’s hopes and dreams just like everything else. I’d rather get a bigger more physical runner from the beginning. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by mrags