Punching Bag Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I wonder how much of a raise he needed to get to come from eternal sun and no income tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: and RBs, and Oline, and th Dline aint bad either. As much as we dont like him kiko is good. They are okay but are they better than average? Are Kenyan Drake and Frank Gore a good backfield? Stills, Wilson, Amendola and Parker? I just don’t think that their talent is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 6 hours ago, CLTbills said: But, keep in mind, Gase did have a HUGE hand in some good talent leaving... Ajayi, Jarvis Landry, Jordan Phillips.. So just because they're a little short on talent, i wouldn't necessarily blame the analytics guys... seems like they had some good talent that the HC ran off... if those are the ones we know about, I'm sure there are more out there as well. I respect your opinion more than most on here, Kirby, just playing Devil's Advocate... Agreed. It's also important to note that the analytics guy is not making the decisions. It's ultimately up to Gase/now McBeane to make the right decisions with the information provided. Appears as though the guy is respected around the league, so there's nothing to dislike about the hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Analytics often involves studying past historical data to research potential trends, to analyze the effects of certain decisions or events, or to evaluate the performance of a given tool or scenario. The goal of analytics is to improve the business by gaining knowledge which can be used to make improvements or changes. I bet Doug Whaleys name will come up a lot Edited February 26, 2019 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Lol analytics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Mark80 said: Curious, how did this guys work on analytics work out for the Dolphins? Seems to me the Dolphins have been pretty crappy since 2015. There is a difference between understanding / creating analytics and actually applying them effectively to an organization. Maybe Lock wanted to leave the team because after he did the research, the team didn't want to listen to his advice. I think with Adam Gase there was a certain level of dysfunctionality with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Ah yes, The fins are Tanking for Tuva, right? Prolly Fins let him go to ensure their analytics department does not get in the way with an extra win or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Warcodered said: It's not Gase's fault his players couldn't look him in the eyes. Well, it’s not the PLAYERS’ faults...they weren’t the ones with the wandering gogglies! Edited February 27, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: If he's not from Carolina, why are we doing this??? OBD figured too many would kvetch if the analytics hire was from Carolina? ? Edited February 27, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: They are okay but are they better than average? Are Kenyan Drake and Frank Gore a good backfield? Stills, Wilson, Amendola and Parker? I just don’t think that their talent is good. They averaged 4.7 yards per carry and 7.3 yards per pass and Gore kinda became the forgotten man IIRC. Edited February 27, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 9 hours ago, SWATeam said: Every NFL organization has talent throughout. You wouldn't roster any player from that team either, because the team overall is bad? This isn't any player. Its the guy who has been in charge of using his analytic skills to maximize the success of...the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If there’s one team that has been masterful at their use of analytics it’s the Dolphins (sarcasm font). That is NOT the sarcasm font! 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Analytics often involves studying past historical data to research potential trends, to analyze the effects of certain decisions or events, or to evaluate the performance of a given tool or scenario. The goal of analytics is to improve the business by gaining knowledge which can be used to make improvements or changes. I bet Doug Whaleys name will come up a lot Whenever a Seinfeld meme is included it is gold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Let the analysis begin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 hours ago, SWATeam said: It is impossible to know if this guy is even the least bit responsible for anything you are inferring. Love the experts on this site who understand exactly how a pro football team operates and who holds what responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Too bad for the Fins this smarty pants wasn’t able to provide Kiko with the coefficient times variable calculations necessary to properly align his angle of attack on Josh Allen’s shake n’ bake thunder thighs! Numbers schmumbers. But welcome aboard regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Mark80 said: Curious, how did this guys work on analytics work out for the Dolphins? Seems to me the Dolphins have been pretty crappy since 2015. There is a difference between understanding / creating analytics and actually applying them effectively to an organization. IMO, analytics are helpful for finding solid depth players and players who are ready to step into a bigger role but have not gotten the chance on their current team for whatever reason... They are not the end all be all, they are just a part of the overall equation. At the end of the day analytics are basically formulas which have not been "proven" right or wrong through long term usage. The analytics are only as valuable as their correctness on predicting whatever it is they are supposed to be predicting...using analytics that are wrong in this regard would actually be worse than not using analytics at all. Edited February 27, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 7 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Apparently, there’s been a lot of Tobias Fünke’s ‘analrapist’ types in the league front offices for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 10:44 AM, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not trying to judge him too harshly and I’m sorry if it is coming across as that. I’m not trying to give the guy a free pass either. The only thing we have to formulate opinions at this point is the work with the Dolphins. I don’t think that any reasonable person can look at that situation and say that they did well. Maybe he was constantly overruled and would have been right? Maybe he was a big part of these bad decisions? We don’t know that. We just know that the results were bad. It's all good. There is certainly a cautionary tale when organizations get too blinded by analytics and methodology cure-all's. Look at how GE has "Agiled" their way into near bankruptcy. Much like slapping an "agile" sticker on a lumbering corpse. IMO... for OBD just like any other organization, nothing replaces good leadership, finding good people who make good decisions who then hire good people who can accomplish the mission (the process- that usually works). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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