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Armand Salguero’s scorched-earth plan for the Phins

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........or, we could mess with their plans completely.....and lose twice!

 

THAT will show them! 

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Miami is a disaster will always be a disaster.

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Thanks, good article. Fake GM Mando. :lol:

 

He’s right though, that team needs a tear down and rebuild bad. It hasn’t been 17 years since they made the playoffs, but they have clearly been going nowhere for a long, long time.

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Tank for Tua? 

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Short of being able to get a potential first rounder for Howard and I'm not sure they could...I don't see how they will be able to add sufficient draft capital.  They would likely need to do some kind of deal to move way back in the first round to get perhaps another first rounder for next year, like we did w/ KC while picking up Tre White.  If they make all their cuts that are suggested and clear up enough cap space then they could potentially take on bad contracts, similar to Osweiler deal for Cleveland to gain more pics.

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22 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Anyone on the Dolphins you guys want?

 

 

...and Ryan Tannehill’s wife doesn’t count! I know you guys! Poor @mead107 might not survive that thought! 

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25 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Anyone on the Dolphins you guys want?

 

 

Kenyan Drake, but doesn't sound like he'll be part of the purge.

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He talks about saving over $50M plus in cap, but there is a minimum amount of cash that needs to be spent to begin with...

 

Moving on from a large majority of those guys makes sense, but trying to flip Xavien Howard for a first round pick that will likely not be as talented as he is? Why not just pay the man with the newfound money?

 

Obviously building through the draft is the best way to manage the cap and develop talent, but those guys aren't going to be eligible for a new contract in the next 3-5 years, so where will all this money be spent? What players will want to come to a ****show of an organization that's visibly tanking? The Mario Williamses that are ready to retire in Florida?

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58 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Wow—now this is a teardown plan, and he is clued into that franchise. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article225952960.html

 

Looks like we should be expecting the Bills to beat Miami twice next season. If we don’t, it’ll be a real failure.

Isn't this a similar plan that McBeane devised for the Bills? Get rid of players from the prior regime and take a bulk cap hit in one or two years ?  The strategy is to acquire picks and use those picks to fill your roster with cheaper first contracts. There is nothing new about this strategy. The Raiders are going full blast with this approach and the Bills to an extent are doing the same thing. The key for this strategy to work is to get your franchise qb from the draft and within his first contract fill out the roster as much as possible. 

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18 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

He talks about saving over $50M plus in cap, but there is a minimum amount of cash that needs to be spent to begin with...

 

Moving on from a large majority of those guys makes sense, but trying to flip Xavien Howard for a first round pick that will likely not be as talented as he is? Why not just pay the man with the newfound money?

 

Obviously building through the draft is the best way to manage the cap and develop talent, but those guys aren't going to be eligible for a new contract in the next 3-5 years, so where will all this money be spent? What players will want to come to a ****show of an organization that's visibly tanking? The Mario Williamses that are ready to retire in Florida?

It's over the course of 4 years minimum of 89%

 

2017-2020

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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Wow—now this is a teardown plan, and he is clued into that franchise. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article225952960.html

 

Looks like we should be expecting the Bills to beat Miami twice next season. If we don’t, it’ll be a real failure.

 

Be careful.  Beane tore it down before the 2017 season and the Bills won 9 games.

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53 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Anyone on the Dolphins you guys want?

 

Kenyan Drake, minkah Fitzpatrick, Kenny stills, Jerome baker, Xavien Howard, Mike Gesicki

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2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Be careful.  Beane tore it down before the 2017 season and the Bills won 9 games.

With all due respect, a lot of the tear down happened during and after the season with the Dareus, Ragland, Glenn & Taylor trades. And EJ Gaines from the Rams trade did contribute handsomely during the season - so I wouldnt call Watkins part of a fire sale. And Matthews and Benjamin were, on paper, expected to be productive - the plan for MIami 2019 would be a lot different than Bills 2017.

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1 hour ago, Augie said:

........or, we could mess with their plans completely.....and lose twice!

 

THAT will show them! 

hey, as long as we still make the postseason... sure!

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29 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Isn't this a similar plan that McBeane devised for the Bills? Get rid of players from the prior regime and take a bulk cap hit in one or two years ?  The strategy is to acquire picks and use those picks to fill your roster with cheaper first contracts. There is nothing new about this strategy. The Raiders are going full blast with this approach and the Bills to an extent are doing the same thing. The key for this strategy to work is to get your franchise qb from the draft and within his first contract fill out the roster as much as possible. 

Exactly. Philadelphia did the same thing with chip kelly but he was fired and then the team wins the super bowl with a back up quarterback. The process takes longer but it gives you the best chance because you’ve loaded up on assets. Fans always want to win now and hate when the talent gets traded away but it allows the team to stack up on young talented players. 

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1 hour ago, wppete said:

Miami is a disaster will always be a disaster.

 

 indeed, but some s***head from ESPN will pick them to win the division and/or go to the SB.

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24 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

hey, as long as we still make the postseason... sure!

 

 

But....will it affect our Comp picks? That’s the REAL heart of every matter!!!

 

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1 hour ago, wppete said:

Miami is a disaster will always be a disaster.

 

 

People have said this about the Bills.

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2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Wow—now this is a teardown plan, and he is clued into that franchise. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article225952960.html

 

Looks like we should be expecting the Bills to beat Miami twice next season. If we don’t, it’ll be a real failure.

 

I’m not going to expect anything. Not after that Thursday night blow out loss to the Jets two years ago. 

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2 hours ago, wppete said:

Miami is a disaster will always be a disaster.

 

....Ross and his Miami Sound Machine.......fugly..........

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The difference between what McBeane did in Buffalo and what is referenced in this article?  They (and the Pegulas) weren't stupid enough to announce publicly their intention to tank.  That allowed them to keep important vets like Kyle Williams around to help shape the culture going forward.  What veterans concerned about anything other than a paycheck are going to want to stick around in Miami when they already know the team's intention is to suck?  I know there are plenty of mercenaries out there but that isn't exactly what you want your locker room full of when bringing in a new coach.

 

I think Ross is a bad owner.  The Pegulas have had their share of difficulties to be sure, but aside from the horrid Rex misstep (naive owners listening to Brandon) the decisions to hire McD and then Beane appear to have been solid, forward-thinking moves I expect to see pay off beginning this season.

 

I suppose the good news for Flores in Miami is that their fan base sucks anyway.

 

Will be fun watching the Omar Kelly schittshow this season.

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The title is a little misleading as I’ve listened now to two interviews with the NFLR analysts, and it’s not that he wants this to happen, but Ross has been so open about his plan.  Salguero is just piecing together what he has heard and interviewed people on and off the record.

 

Ross isn’t doing himself many favors by talking so publicly about his plan.  I’m not Necessarily disagreeing with rebuilding tE team, but he’s doing himself no favors selling tickets next year with these statements.  The new coach hopefully asked for a long term contract to put up with these proclamations.

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4 hours ago, Augie said:

........or, we could mess with their plans completely.....and lose twice!

 

THAT will show them! 

“Good!  We’ve got them right where they want us!”

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