Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I'm not the best person to ask those questions to... I've taken in a number of Dobermans over the years with a variety of "problems". All of them ended up being great dogs but they needed "deprogramming" from their previous lives. I've only gotten one from Craigslist and he was a mess. The others I got from Doberman rescues and we were given them without fee because it was much easier than putting them through the expense of real training with a certified animal behaviorist. Are there "bad" dogs? Yes. Some can't be saved...that's reality. If you have kids, please be very wary about where you get your next family member from. That bell is impossible to unring, though Goldens aren't known for that kinda thing. If I had preteen or younger kids, I wouldn't rescue a challenging working breed. There's just too much risk. The puppy we got recently is my first "paid for" dog in about 25 years. She is amazing in pretty much every way. Whether I ever go this route again is up for debate but I don't regret it one bit. Since I have a 4 year old, I think Golden is my safest bet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since I have a 4 year old, I think Golden is my safest bet. Cant got wrong with them in my experience. Great dogs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since I have a 4 year old, I think Golden is my safest bet. https://www.aspca.org/adopt-pet/adoptable-dogs-your-local-shelter#action_0=pet&animalID_0=13963474&petIndex_0=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since I have a 4 year old, I think Golden is my safest bet. We had our first golden prior to both out kids. Over the course of growing up they jumped on him, pulled his ears, poked his eyes, the whole nine and he never once got aggressive. And, he was a $350 dog from a no name amish breeder, lived a good 10.5 years. That's why I'm struggling with the cost of some of these dogs were looking at. We're looking at the English Cream goldens mostly because they have a better history with avoiding cancer which our dog succumbed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said: We had our first golden prior to both out kids. Over the course of growing up they jumped on him, pulled his ears, poked his eyes, the whole nine and he never once got aggressive. And, he was a $350 dog from a no name amish breeder, lived a good 10.5 years. That's why I'm struggling with the cost of some of these dogs were looking at. We're looking at the English Cream goldens mostly because they have a better history with avoiding cancer which our dog succumbed to. I was looking at Goldendoodle pups and they average $2,000. I can’t pay that much with child support and daycare. Down the road I probably will. Do mixed Golden’s generally have cancer problems? Was is the percentage of Golden’s getting cancer? I heard it’s a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since I have a 4 year old, I think Golden is my safest bet. If you're deadset on that, then go for it. But I'm a serious fan of the shar-pei if you didn't notice. They're incredibly bright, a breeze to train and very loyal and protective of all family members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 No need to buy a dog. We fostered a springer spaniel last year. Nice dog but to much energy. A couple came from Michigan, adopted him they are doing great. Second foster we met Allie. 2 year old female black lab/boxer. Knew all the commands but has separation anxiety issues, mainly from my wife! We adopted her. Great dog. Plays with neighbors male white lab no problem. Highly recommended checking out rescue organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I was looking at Goldendoodle pups and they average $2,000. I can’t pay that much with child support and daycare. Down the road I probably will. Do mixed Golden’s generally have cancer problems? Was is the percentage of Golden’s getting cancer? I heard it’s a lot. Last time I looked American pure bred goldens have a 60% cancer rate. The English creams are somewhere around 38%. https://pethelpful.com/dogs/the-truth-about-English-Cream-Golden-Retrievers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Last time I looked American pure bred goldens have a 60% cancer rate. The English creams are somewhere around 38%. https://pethelpful.com/dogs/the-truth-about-English-Cream-Golden-Retrievers Damn...cancer is the leading cause of death of dogs. 47% of all dogs die from some sort of cancer. https://fetchacure.org/resource-library/facts/ Edited January 11, 2019 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Damn...cancer is the leading cause of death of dogs. 47% of all dogs die from some sort of cancer. Took my beagle 4 years ago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Damn...cancer is the leading cause of death of dogs. 47% of all dogs die from some sort of cancer. And hardly any of them smoke. Crazy stat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Lots of good advice here from dog lovers. Being a dog lover and proclaimed 'dog whisperer' I would like to add and/or embellish. rescues (from org. or "free puppies" or people who simply can't care for their pet), I agree can be wonderful companions. Where do you live and what is your lifestyle? different breeds have different needs regarding space, activity, $ of ownership, etc... Your own personality can play a big part too. If you have children, (then you already know the work involved) they need to know this too. Consistent training is essential. I've watched so many people get a dog because they 'want a dog' and spend no time trying to make it more than just a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I was looking at Goldendoodle pups and they average $2,000. I can’t pay that much with child support and daycare. Down the road I probably will. Do mixed Golden’s generally have cancer problems? Was is the percentage of Golden’s getting cancer? I heard it’s a lot. I’m on my 6th Golden. With the first 5 the it was 100%, but you gotta die from something. That’s a rule! They were awesome while we had them! (Except for the shedding....) My breeder was $1,200 nine years ago, but is up to $2k now. My son just got a Labradoodle from a great breeder. He paid $2,800, but far more hyper than any of my Goldens. His GF’s family is all Labradoodle, but the hyper dog seems to be giving him second thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Royale, btw... I had Labs before my daughters were born and they loved them like their own. Girls would crawl on them, grab them, sleep on them, color them, etc. not a single complaint from the dogs. best damn dogs ever. I miss them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) I bought a female Sheltie (Shetland Sheep Dog) puppy for my daughter's 14th bday. Pup is awesome, albeit a bit spastic so far! 1.5 years old, she is starting to mello. $1100. Yikes! My pops lives with me, and his "old man" pit/lab stray loves that little B word. I was pissed when I learned that I did not get AKC breeding rights, even though I never planned to breed her. Male Shelties are far calmer and more easily trainable. We love that little furball!!!! And she loves us even more! Edited January 11, 2019 by BUFFALOKIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I always kind of chuckled at the fence thing as well. I'm not sure if the point is for exercise or protection, so the dog doesn't escape and run off. I was amazed at some of the questions I had to answer on the breeder websites before they would even respond. Questions about property, household inhabitants, other pets, etc....funny thing is I don't remember any questions when we decided to have kids, but this dog is a whole nother level. I like that the breeders ask questions. It means that they are responsible and actually care about the animals. I’m a lab guy myself. Will never own another type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: I like that the breeders ask questions. It means that they are responsible and actually care about the animals. I’m a lab guy myself. Will never own another type. I get the questions, but I just question whether it's legitimately for screening purposes or just to help boost their credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) We do lots of work for an organization out here called "Guide Dogs For The Blind". They use Goldens exclusively. Some of them don't make the cut as far as being a guide dog though. However, the rejects have a better temperament and far better trained than most dogs. If you could put your name in an organization like this for one of these dogs you would have an awesome pet. In our situation, I really don't want a large dog otherwise, I would have one. Edited January 11, 2019 by Dante 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Dante, great advice! as mentioned earlier, there are pathways to adopt an awesome family member other than going the breeder route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 BUFFALOKIE, those can be great if you have a lot of energy! Herding dogs like your Sheltie, Australian Shepherd, or Border Collie should be taken into consideration with small children running around, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) If you have room for a LARGE dog... buddy of mine got a Great Pyrenees as a puppy. Thing could be fitted for a saddle now but is the biggest, most loveable, animated stuffed animal that anyone could wish for. Edited January 11, 2019 by 145B4IDIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 amazing read https://www.amazon.com/Art-Raising-Puppy-Revised/dp/0316083275 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 Good contributions everyone. Thanks for the input. Happy Friday. Cheers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 If you don't want to show or breed the dog, then more expensive does not gauarantee better health. Per gf. A veterinarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: If you don't want to show or breed the dog, then more expensive does not gauarantee better health. Per gf. A veterinarian As a general rule I prefer pictures of my veterinarian in order to make an initial judgment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, 145B4IDIE said: Lots of good advice here from dog lovers. Being a dog lover and proclaimed 'dog whisperer' I would like to add and/or embellish. rescues (from org. or "free puppies" or people who simply can't care for their pet), I agree can be wonderful companions. Where do you live and what is your lifestyle? different breeds have different needs regarding space, activity, $ of ownership, etc... Your own personality can play a big part too. If you have children, (then you already know the work involved) they need to know this too. Consistent training is essential. I've watched so many people get a dog because they 'want a dog' and spend no time trying to make it more than just a dog. The bold cannot be overstated! You don’t train the dog, you train the people. Nobody is allowed to have a different set of rules for the dog. If she jumps on people, you don’t let them say “it’s OK”, because it’s NOT! That is just training them that jumping os OK. You might not mind, but my 91 year old mother could die as a result of the same behavior. If your rule is no people food, NOBODY can throw scraps to the dog. That is just training them to beg (and is generally unhealthy for them). My first Golden went to obedience school. The final “graduation day” she puked all over the car when we put her in to go. We called the school and said “sorry, it took forever to clean up, and we don’t dare put her back in the car”. They responded “we’ll tell you a little secret....class has nothing to do with the dog, it’s about training the people. Come on in, we’ll lend you a dog.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 10 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: As a general rule I prefer pictures of my veterinarian in order to make an initial judgment. She's been posted here and still viewable. She's Jack's other wife. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Well, the ball is rolling now. We sent our deposit to a breeder in NJ today. Litter is due early February. Should be picking up the dog as the weather starts turning nice March/April timeframe. Edited January 12, 2019 by RaoulDuke79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 10:54 PM, RaoulDuke79 said: So we're in the market for a new dog and it's become a lot more complicated than I remember when we bought our first one. We bought our first dog, a golden retriever, from a local breeder about 12 years ago. We really didn't do any research and pretty much looked in the paper went to the farm and picked him out. He was an awesome dog who was around before my kids, then proceeded to grow up with them. He went on to heaven a few months ago and we just started looking at dogs again. We're going with another golden, but I've been doing a lot more research and found it to be more complicated now that I know about the certifications, bloodlines, etc...My main concern is health, I'm certainly not going to show him/her anywhere. As I mentioned earlier, our first dog lived to 11, which is average for a golden, and we paid $325 for him at the time with no guarantees on health or anything of that nature. Now, I'm looking at dogs between $900 -$3500, which I think is insane. Does anyone have any experience with with breeders or any recommendations on whether the extra money is for lineage and certifications is worth it with regards to health, temperament and training? Just got our third golden. This one from Harbor View Goldens in Erie, which is a long (7 hour drive) from me. The best bred for health will be in excess of 2K. Harbor View has a stellar rep for healthy dogs. Can chat in email if you want info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: Just got our third golden. This one from Harbor View Goldens in Erie, which is a long (7 hour drive) from me. The best bred for health will be in excess of 2K. Harbor View has a stellar rep for healthy dogs. Can chat in email if you want info. Thanks for the heads up. We just put a deposit down on one from a breeder in NJ. He did a pretty good job of explaining the science behind coefficient of inbreeding, which I never heard of before, but it's supposed to help longevity. We're going to pick him up in 8-10 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Thanks for the heads up. We just put a deposit down on one from a breeder in NJ. He did a pretty good job of explaining the science behind coefficient of inbreeding, which I never heard of before, but it's supposed to help longevity. We're going to pick him up in 8-10 weeks. Saw that after I posted. I left my post up for others. Your golden will be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Reached out about this dog. Hoping to see it in the next few days. It's currently at a foster home about 30 minutes away. It's a German Shepherd and Golden Retriever mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Rescue all day everyday. Way way too many dogs out there need saving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 5:56 AM, RaoulDuke79 said: Thanks for the feedback. At this point I decided not to go with an adult rescue. My kids are both still fairly young and I just feel more comfortable getting puppy and letting it grow up around them and where I can do the training. I know most rescues are ok, but I just don't want to take the chance of of not knowing their history. Since my wife and I have been together, we have “rescued” all of our dogs with mixed results. The first was a mini dachshund named Guinness. He was a good dog and we loved him very much, but had to foster him to another family when we moved to Alaska in 2010. Our current dog, a shepherd mix, we adopted about a year ago. Came up to VT from a kill shelter down in SC. When we brought her home she wouldn’t even come near me or look at me. She was great with the wife and kids, but as much as I tried to be sweet to her, she still to this day rarely will even engage with me. It’s very clear that somewhere along the way she was abused by an adult male. It sucks. I often say to her jokingly (and my kids get a kick out of it) “I not going to kill you today, Cricket, not today.....” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Reached out about this dog. Hoping to see it in the next few days. It's currently at a foster home about 30 minutes away. It's a German Shepherd and Golden Retriever mix. Good mix. Probably a nice dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dante said: Good mix. Probably a nice dog. My application was rejected this morning. I’m currently in an apartment for the next year before buying again. The foster family doesnt think he’s suited for that. Edited January 14, 2019 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Wife and I rescued our dog Harry when he was a year old. He will be 14 years old in June. Aussie, Border Collie, Healer mix, he is one of the smartest, most loyal, and loving dogs I've ever known. Super athletic still and an amazing ball catcher. He gets tired quicker than he used to though. Good luck and have fun with your new friend. I tried to upload a pic but it's telling me I can only upload 204 kb or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: My application was rejected this morning. I’m currently in an apartment for the next year before buying again. The foster family doesnt think he’s suited for that. Sorry to hear that RWC..ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 15 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: My application was rejected this morning. I’m currently in an apartment for the next year before buying again. The foster family doesnt think he’s suited for that. Sorry to hear that as well, our space is not huge but we spend plenty of time outdoors with the dog regardless of the weather. Hope you find another dog that needs a loving home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 15 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: My application was rejected this morning. I’m currently in an apartment for the next year before buying again. The foster family doesnt think he’s suited for that. Are you adopting a kid or a dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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