YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Whut? Dey’s gots goobers in San Francisco two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Santa Clara is a terrible place for the game anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: " Things are so rough, even normally staid power brokers are lobbying for an eight-team playoff to shake things up." Oh, yeah, that's the answer. 8 teams, because a 4 team playoff has been absolutely flawless, and is just screaming to add more teams. It's like watching someone bashing their head against a wall while complaining their head hurts. So they keep bashing their head against the wall hoping the pain will go away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Cynical said: " Things are so rough, even normally staid power brokers are lobbying for an eight-team playoff to shake things up." Oh, yeah, that's the answer. 8 teams, because a 4 team playoff has been absolutely flawless, and is just screaming to add more teams. It's like watching someone bashing their head against a wall while complaining their head hurts. So they keep bashing their head against the wall hoping the pain will go away. The 4 vs 5 would be good the 1 vs 8 and 2 vs 7 would be garrrr-bahhhhhge-time after 18 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 They can't sell out 1 vs 2 but think 1 vs 8 is a good idea. The issue is the location not the playoff system. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Bfanlc said: The issue is the location not the playoff system. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Bfanlc said: They can't sell out 1 vs 2 but think 1 vs 8 is a good idea. The issue is the location not the playoff system. 1 vs 8 Bama 220 Cumberland 0 whooooooooooooo.... more please, Sir..................... ----------------------------------- actually..... one of my complaints with sports is that you don't often get to see the best teams 100% pour on what they are capable of doing in a game Bama showed that they could run up 28 points without breaking a sweat, then sat back the rest of the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Why? Did you read the Yahoo article? "Levi’s Stadium happens to sit on the other side of the country from the participating clubs." So all the fans of the teams that would be interested in attending suddenly find themselves with expenses in the thousands. "Travel costs just to get to San Jose are considerable – $1,000 flights are the minimum from the Southeast." Now throw in hotel, dining, and costs just to get around the Bay area, the option of staying home and watching the game on TV becomes the more viable choice. Edited January 3, 2019 by Cynical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Bfanlc said: They can't sell out 1 vs 2 but think 1 vs 8 is a good idea. The issue is the location not the playoff system. No, the issue is that there are 2 or 3 teams that whip the living daylights out of every other program. Alabama's dominance over college football isn't good for the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, sullim4 said: No, the issue is that there are 2 or 3 teams that whip the living daylights out of every other program. Alabama's dominance over college football isn't good for the game. Yet, I do not remember people pissing and moaning when FSU was dominating CFB. Bobby Bowden had FSU in the top 5 every year for 14 straight years. They won 2 NC with out a playoff. It's hard to imagine how many NC they would have won if there was playoff at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cynical said: Yet, I do not remember people pissing and moaning when FSU was dominating CFB. Bobby Bowden had FSU in the top 5 every year for 14 straight years. They won 2 NC with out a playoff. It's hard to imagine how many NC they would have won if there was playoff at the time. I have no horse in this race, I only watch college football games a handful of times each year. I went to a D-III school that had D-I mens hockey, that's it. The main thing preventing me from watching more college football is the lack of parity between the top programs and everybody else. That's largely driven by recruiting and the cult of personality surrounding a small handful of coaches. Saban, Meyer, Swinney, etc. Bowden was certainly one of these guys in the 90s. Since there is no draft (because, of course, these players are picking the school for academic reasons, not the football team...), the top flight players flock to these programs. They are stocked with talent that makes any other team pale in comparison. Add that to the out-of-conference cupcake games that these teams inevitably schedule and you get maybe 1 or 2 competitive games on any of these top teams' schedules before the bowl season. These coaches end up being the highest paid public employee in their state, and this inevitably leads to a culture where this guy has a ridiculous amount of power and sway over their university. Unfortunately, look no further than State College to see how that can corrupt a university, going all the way to the top. I mean, outside of Alabama and Clemson fans, who actually wants to go see this game for the fourth consecutive year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, sullim4 said: No, the issue is that there are 2 or 3 teams that whip the living daylights out of every other program. Alabama's dominance over college football isn't good for the game. Not Alabama's fault. You've had multiple teams have quality recruiting classes. It's the coaching that hasn't got them over the hump. Bama will dominate until Saban retires. Then some other coach or program, maybe Clemson, will take its place. Maybe not to this extent but it will happen. Programs have to update themselves. Let's not keep trying to change cfb because ND,Ga,ok, and Michigan cant get over the hump. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I don't mind, i want to see the two best teams square off in the final i really didn't need 8 teams playing to get there, i was fine with 4 showing me how pointless 4 teams was once again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, sullim4 said: I mean, outside of Alabama and Clemson fans, who actually wants to go see this game for the fourth consecutive year? There are lots of times in life when fans cannot have their way, no? I mean this is a Bills Board after all last I looked. Fans don't get to choose who plays in championship games. Why don't we all insist that Brady and Belichick quit because they win too much. Then, we can take a vote and determine who goes to the Super Bowl. Nah, my suggestion is that the other teams get better players and coaches and win football games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sullim4 said: I have no horse in this race, I only watch college football games a handful of times each year. I went to a D-III school that had D-I mens hockey, that's it. The main thing preventing me from watching more college football is the lack of parity between the top programs and everybody else. That's largely driven by recruiting and the cult of personality surrounding a small handful of coaches. Saban, Meyer, Swinney, etc. Bowden was certainly one of these guys in the 90s. Since there is no draft (because, of course, these players are picking the school for academic reasons, not the football team...), the top flight players flock to these programs. They are stocked with talent that makes any other team pale in comparison. Add that to the out-of-conference cupcake games that these teams inevitably schedule and you get maybe 1 or 2 competitive games on any of these top teams' schedules before the bowl season. These coaches end up being the highest paid public employee in their state, and this inevitably leads to a culture where this guy has a ridiculous amount of power and sway over their university. Unfortunately, look no further than State College to see how that can corrupt a university, going all the way to the top. I mean, outside of Alabama and Clemson fans, who actually wants to go see this game for the fourth consecutive year? I’m a fan of any great football game that is tightly contested. So I hope this one is. I think my apathy is more that i just don’t care who wins, so the outcome is less interesting to me. Edited January 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Santa Clara is a terrible place for the game anyway Sadly, I have to agree with this. Believe me, I'm thrilled that the National Title game is being played here, and Levi's Stadium is just as good as any other place to play it. The problem is that the Bay Area is one of the worst places for College Football. There is no tradition here, and there is no hype for the game itself. California & Stanford have their following, but it's more of a student thing and that's not enough. There are a lot of transplants from many universities who have their own football clubs in this area, but not enough to fill an entire stadium. Too bad, because this is such a good area 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Sadly, I have to agree with this. Believe me, I'm thrilled that the National Title game is being played here, and Levi's Stadium is just as good as any other place to play it. The problem is that the Bay Area is one of the worst places for College Football. There is no tradition here, and there is no hype for the game itself. California & Stanford have their following, but it's more of a student thing and that's not enough. There are a lot of transplants from many universities who have their own football clubs in this area, but not enough to fill an entire stadium. Too bad, because this is such a good area Super expensive too. Plane tickets from Birmingham to San Jose right now show as 835 at the lowest. From Greenville SC they are 2k/pop! Then you factor in everything else. And as you said these aren’t really huge national fan bases where there are a volume of fans locally wherever you go. There aren’t a ton of passionate Bama and Clemson fans living in that area, I’m sure. Clemson is a small school and these schools are largely regional in their interest. Edited January 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Super expensive too. Plane tickets from Birmingham to San Jose right now show as 835 at the lowest. From Greenville SC they are 2k/pop! Then you factor in everything else. And as you said these aren’t really huge national fan bases where there are a volume of fans locally wherever you go. There aren’t a ton of passionate Bama and Clemson fans living in that area, I’m sure. Clemson is a small school and these schools are largely regional in their interest. Yes, it is very expensive here. It would be cheaper to fly into San Francisco, but then you would have to travel 40 miles by car to get to Santa Clara/San Jose. Then there's hotels and food that you have to look forward too. Pro sports is a lot bigger here than college is, and that's unfortunate. Even if a team like Notre Dame was playing in the championship game, it still would have a tough time selling out. Notre Dame plays Stanford all the time, and whenever the Irish come to play in Palo Alto, nobody really cares. There's no hype at all. It's really sad. I was born in the wrong part of the country for this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfanlc Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just checked stubhub...118.00 for nose bleed seats. Now if flights could go down to the same Where's the southwest flights for 39.00 when you need them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 20 hours ago, Bfanlc said: Not Alabama's fault. You've had multiple teams have quality recruiting classes. It's the coaching that hasn't got them over the hump. Bama will dominate until Saban retires. Then some other coach or program, maybe Clemson, will take its place. Maybe not to this extent but it will happen. Programs have to update themselves. Let's not keep trying to change cfb because ND,Ga,ok, and Michigan cant get over the hump. I'll enjoy watching heads explode when Saban retires and Dabo jumps ship to take the 'Bama job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: I'll enjoy watching heads explode when Saban retires and Dabo jumps ship to take the 'Bama job. Bama survived the Clown Prince Lane Kiffin, they can survive this i do recall Bama losing to Northern Illinois in front of a very unenthusiastic home crowd years ago, oh please, god of football... bring this back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: Bama survived the Clown Prince Lane Kiffin, they can survive this Best moment of Kiffins time in Tuscaloosa: "There's no arguments. Those are called ass chewings." 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: i do recall Bama losing to Northern Illinois in front of a very unenthusiastic home crowd years ago, oh please, god of football... bring this back. Those were the dark days indeed. Shula's first year. It will be a long, long time before that happens again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, Cynical said: Best moment of Kiffins time in Tuscaloosa: "There's no arguments. Those are called ass chewings." Those were the dark days indeed. Shula's first year. It will be a long, long time before that happens again. you never know, I was a road tripper to Ann Arbor in the final days of about 40 years of taking for granted a 3 loss season at most, hit hard in the Rich_Rod era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: you never know, I was a road tripper to Ann Arbor in the final days of about 40 years of taking for granted a 3 loss season at most, hit hard in the Rich_Rod era Oh, I am under no illusion that Alabama will never lose more than 2-3 games a year. I was more referring to the Franchione-Price-Shula time period, and what caused it, which lead to such disastrous games. And I feel I can speak for the entire Bama nation when I say we are so grateful Rita did not like Tuscaloosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) Saw this coming a few years ago. The problem is you just had huge amounts of Bama and Clemson fans travel to the Orange and Cotton Bowls. So now you're asking the fanbases to travel way out to San Jose on short notice. Fans that have already probably spent thousands over the past few years following these teams advance to Bowls and the NCG. Not gonna happen and as others have said, the local population and alums of these school can't fill up a whole stadium. Obviously this probably would be fine if the game were in Atlanta or Charlotte since people could drive in the day of the game...but out west no way. If the playoffs expand they will have to host games on the campus of the higher seed or keep the games regional until the title game. Edited January 4, 2019 by zow2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, zow2 said: Saw this coming a few years ago. The problem is you just had huge amounts of Bama and Clemson fans travel to the Orange and Cotton Bowls. So now you're asking the fanbases to travel way out to San Jose on short notice. Fans that have already probably spent thousands over the past few years following these teams advance to Bowls and the NCG. Not gonna happen and as others have said, the local population and alums of these school can't fill up a whole stadium. Obviously this probably would be fine if the game were in Atlanta or Charlotte since people could drive in the day of the game...but out west no way. If the playoffs expand they will have to host games on the campus of the higher seed or keep the games regional until the title game. and it's the week AFTER everyone schedules time off from work, which is huge for Bowl planning a month in advance. The ad hoc nature of a playoff at a remote site damages travel opportunities (DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH) When they go to 16 then they will ask Bama fans to make two more road trips???? Whatever.... sigh.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Well it’s close enough to Hawaii! This is cool... https://twitter.com/br_cfb/status/1081262510714560512?s=21 tua bringing in 400 family members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 7:30 AM, row_33 said: you never know, I was a road tripper to Ann Arbor in the final days of about 40 years of taking for granted a 3 loss season at most, hit hard in the Rich_Rod era Please, don't remind me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Please, don't remind me. LLLLoyd didn’t do any recruiting his last two years and he cupboard was worse than bare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, row_33 said: LLLLoyd didn’t do any recruiting his last two years and he cupboard was worse than bare Please, don't remind me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Maybe college football just wasn’t meant to have a playoff to “finally decide” things The mystery and somewhat fun arguments with prior formats was more enjoyable than what this has turned into, and they told us this would happen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanCRNA Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 10:06 AM, Cynical said: Did you read the Yahoo article? "Levi’s Stadium happens to sit on the other side of the country from the participating clubs." So all the fans of the teams that would be interested in attending suddenly find themselves with expenses in the thousands. "Travel costs just to get to San Jose are considerable – $1,000 flights are the minimum from the Southeast." Now throw in hotel, dining, and costs just to get around the Bay area, the option of staying home and watching the game on TV becomes the more viable choice. This is exactly why we are home this year. After South Beach a week and a half ago, Christmas two weeks ago, its just too much. Not to mention, excluding last year (New Orleans and Atlanta), Bama and Clemson have both had significant travel expenses for the playoffs every year since they started. Just not doable for everyone, every year. On 1/4/2019 at 10:24 AM, zow2 said: Saw this coming a few years ago. The problem is you just had huge amounts of Bama and Clemson fans travel to the Orange and Cotton Bowls. So now you're asking the fanbases to travel way out to San Jose on short notice. Fans that have already probably spent thousands over the past few years following these teams advance to Bowls and the NCG. Not gonna happen and as others have said, the local population and alums of these school can't fill up a whole stadium. Obviously this probably would be fine if the game were in Atlanta or Charlotte since people could drive in the day of the game...but out west no way. If the playoffs expand they will have to host games on the campus of the higher seed or keep the games regional until the title game. Yep. If by chance Bama and Clemson make it next year, ticket prices will be crazy. Game is in New Orleans. 6 hour drive at most from almost the entire state of Alabama. Demand will be huge because it is logistically so much easier. The problem this year is simply location, location, location... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 9:22 PM, row_33 said: The 4 vs 5 would be good the 1 vs 8 and 2 vs 7 would be garrrr-bahhhhhge-time after 18 minutes The fundamental problem is that it is hard to come up with 8 or even 6 college teams in any given year who are all playing on the same level. I've said it for years, but even among top, elite college programs, there can be HUGE differences in talent on the field in the same game. The National Championship game from a few years ago with 'Bama vs. #2 (at the time) Notre Dame immediately comes to mind. The Manti Te'o team.... It was #1 vs. #2 but the two teams were not in the same world talent wise. Alabama was bigger, faster, stronger all over the field on both sides of the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The fundamental problem is that it is hard to come up with 8 or even 6 college teams in any given year who are all playing on the same level. I've said it for years, but even among top, elite college programs, there can be HUGE differences in talent on the field in the same game. The National Championship game from a few years ago with 'Bama vs. #2 (at the time) Notre Dame immediately comes to mind. The Manti Te'o team.... It was #1 vs. #2 but the two teams were not in the same world talent wise. Alabama was bigger, faster, stronger all over the field on both sides of the ball. yup. the top team (maybe 2) is easily discerned by anyone with an objective clue who watches the sport... Notre Dame's 1988 [clearly the best that season] "title game" was against an outmatched undefeated West Virginia teams past #3 (at the lowest) just can't compete with the best team or two in the country, almost every year... they shouldn't field games that aren't necessary that aren't going to be remotely competitive, the metrics of staging a huge football game ad hoc and on a neutral field (maybe thousands of miles away) are immense. and $500 Canadian total for nosebleeds on "that site" are about what I'd expect to pay Edited January 7, 2019 by row_33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Who'd want to buy a ticket and travel to another state to watch a rerun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanCRNA Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Who'd want to buy a ticket and travel to another state to watch a rerun? Based on what I just saw, I'm gonna say Clemson fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 19 hours ago, row_33 said: Maybe college football just wasn’t meant to have a playoff to “finally decide” things The mystery and somewhat fun arguments with prior formats was more enjoyable than what this has turned into, and they told us this would happen.... Who told you what would happen? Why are you so miserable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: Who told you what would happen? Why are you so miserable? Mmm-hmmmmm Big brave man after the game is over. you need a long long nap.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: Mmm-hmmmmm Big brave man after the game is over. you need a long long nap.... Big brave about what? You're complaining about the playoffs in a thread where ticket prices are down. I didn't really care who won. I just dont see the harm in more football, and the fact that the demand isnt their to pay $500 a ticket isn't a problem to me. It's how it should be. I've read through the thread, and you just come across as miserable and I'm not quite sure why. Edited January 8, 2019 by Ol Dirty B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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