Again people..... This is the first year of a REBUILD

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

I thought this was the second decade of a rebuild?

 

The 5th five year plan

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Really?

 

Hell yeah. But I’m also not a child and can see farther into the future than week 16 of a losing season. 

[vorpma]

15 minutes ago, H2o said:

I want to see them be aggressive in FA addressing the needs of this team as well as filling the team out with draft picks. In the end it depends on what we are able to do. If there are obvious upgrades to help Allen out and he still looks the same then I'll probably be pissed too. What I expect is for him to improve as they improve the team around him and us to be back in the playoffs again for the 2nd time in 3 years next year. 

Optimism not allowed, only extreme pessimism!

4 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Doubt competing for the AFC east title is going to happen next year. So knowing most likely that doesn't happen next year why wait until next year for McClown to be on the hot seat? Knowing what we know about his limitations after 2 years his seat should be real hot this year, why wait until next year? 

 

Is it you know he isn't a very good coach but need another year to cement that fact before kicking him to the curb?

Fire everybody now!

[Magox]

7 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Are there enough out there to go around, since we won't get everyone we want, and will the FA's choose Buffalo over many other teams with probably a much better situation to offer.

I dont expect we will fill all our needs adequately but enough to compete for the AFC east.  At least that's my expectations.

9 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Doubt competing for the AFC east title is going to happen next year. So knowing most likely that doesn't happen next year why wait until next year for McClown to be on the hot seat? Knowing what we know about his limitations after 2 years his seat should be real hot this year, why wait until next year? 

 

Is it you know he isn't a very good coach but need another year to cement that fact before kicking him to the curb?

I reject the entire premise of whatever it was you were saying.

[LSHMEAB]

36 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I’m tired of excuses like this. Baker Mayfield & Sam Darnold have at times looked the part of a franchise QB. Lamar Jackson is the best athletic QB. We have at best the #4 QB in the draft & there is easily a 50/50 chance Allen totally busts in 2019. How much better can a 50% passer get in year 2 assuming we bring in a rookie WR & TE? I don’t want to sound the alarm, but this regime likely has 16 to 32 games until a new one is brought in to attempt another ‘rebuild’. We play the NFC East & AFC North next year. That’s a tough climb. Road games at Dallas, Cleveland, & Pittsburgh. What’s the rosiest early predictions on 2019? 7-9? 

Playoffs next year or bust. No more excuses. 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Does McDermott learn how to manage a game in year two?  Year one and year minus one have not been good in that department.

[reddogblitz]

53 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

What’s the rosiest early predictions on 2019? 7-9? 

 

19-0

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

So 6-10 won't be good enough NEXT year?

 

Thank you Jesus!   And Happy Birthday!

And how exactly do you know this team will be 6 and 10 next year?

[CodeMonkey]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

I thought this was the second decade of a rebuild?

With each new coach the clock restarts and what happened before, no matter how long and futile, doesn't matter.  It's all unicorns and rainbows until the next coach.  Then rinse and repeat.

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

With each new coach the clock restarts and what happened before, no matter how long and futile, doesn't matter.  It's all unicorns and rainbows until the next coach.  Then rinse and repeat.

 

Reduced to hoping for a wild card for almost two decades has been unfortunate....

 

 

[BillsSB2020]

I'm encouraged by many of the cultural changes happening at One Bills Drive and believe this offseason they will grow leaps and bounds beyond what we've seen in the past. I'm not going to wag my finger at the naysayers but this time is different. Whaleys left us in a terrible cap situation, although he was trying to compete. The Beane Man came in and decided the roster needed an overhaul not a bandaid. 

 

As long as we've got our franchise quarterback set in stone, the sky is the limit.

[CodeMonkey]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Reduced to hoping for a wild card for almost two decades has been unfortunate....

 

 

I think that happening last year was a bad thing for the Bills staff.  Lucking into that last year set higher than reasonable expectations for this season.

[John from Riverside]

I think we are actually in year 2 of the rebiuld......but I understand what the OP is trying to say.......lots of turnover on this roster and young players playing.....this was the painful dead cap year as they got it all out of the way this year.......

 

I feel it is year 2 because they have the qb and the defense i nearly set.....and they appear to have done it in increments and will now (hopefully) work on the offense

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Again with all of the p***ing and moaning threads all over I just wanted to remind everyone this is really the first year of a rebuild. It's all this player sucks, we whiffed on this person or that person, we should have done this, we should have done that, this coach, that coach, the GM sucks, fire someone, fire everyone, it makes this board hard to read anymore. We lost 2 good OL'man and traded away another for whatever reasons they had. We have a rookie QB without much help, but has still basically been the entire offense this year. We have a rag-tag group of WR's who have not done much to help said rookie QB. No running game. A defense that isn't having the same good fortune as last year. You can post your QB ratings and think it proves something, blame coaching, who we signed, who we didn't sign, blame the GM, whatever. We have a young team at many key positions right now, a FA period with $90,000,000 to spend, and 10 draft picks coming up in 2019. If this was the end of next year I would understand, but it's not. I hope Santa brings you guys some Preparation H and a 3 pack of Puffs with lotion for Christmas. 

Seriously Im ready to call it a season till after the draft.  Ive heard of rose colored glasses but some people got chit colored glasses around here.

[CodeMonkey]

3 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

As long as we've got our franchise quarterback set in stone, the sky is the limit.

I don't see a franchise QB.  Not yet anyway, we'll see.

 

Edited December 24, 2018 by CodeMonkey

[row_33]

Just now, CodeMonkey said:

I think that happening last year was a bad thing for the Bills staff.  Lucking into that last year set higher than reasonable expectations for this season.

 

It was nice to squeak in, end the punchline in foootball circles 

 

i took little thrills out of it and the game itself

 

Playoffs next year would be much more enjoyable with an improved Allen, good to dream about it....

 

 

[BillsSB2020]

3 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

I don't see a franchise QB.  Not yet anyway, we'll see.

 

The Bills brass didn't draft Allen number 7 overall to be a pencil pusher. He's shown every bit the promise you'd expect from a young up and comer from a small school. The offense is growing right in front of our eyes with Daboll calling the shots. All youngsters take their lumps in Foxborough. I was a bit bummed out but if you keep it in proper perspective, it all makes sense.

 

I was a bit perturbed by the rushing defense but Belichick must have exploited our injuries but I'd like to see our boys put forth maximum effort and it was lacking.

Edited December 24, 2018 by BillsSB2020

[RaoulDuke79]

I get a sense that if things dont work out with the current regime, those who said they would fail will be more happy being right than they would if the team succeeds.

[CodeMonkey]

2 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

The Bills brass didn't draft Allen number 7 overall to be a pencil pusher. He's shown every bit the promise you'd expect from a young up and comer from a small school. The offense is growing right in front of our eyes with Daboll calling the shots. All youngsters take their lumps in Foxborough. I was a bit bummed out but if you keep it in proper perspective, it all makes sense.

Sadly, draft position is not a guarantee of success.  It is possible that he grows into it.  He has the size, arm strength, and seemingly the work ethic.  Like I said, we'll see.

[vorpma]

30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The same people claiming before the season that our QB situation was better and they should be around 9-7 and competing for a playoff spot are the same people who are now starting threads like this. ? 

Wrong, the majority of posters predicted 2018 to be exactly what you seen! Find someone else to get mad at!

[Big Gun]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I get a sense that if things dont work out with the current regime, those who said they would fail will be more happy being right than they would if the team succeeds.

Well if the current regime fails that means the team won't be successful and the people that are not H U G E McD fans would be right about him. No! 

[vorpma]

10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think we are actually in year 2 of the rebiuld......but I understand what the OP is trying to say.......lots of turnover on this roster and young players playing.....this was the painful dead cap year as they got it all out of the way this year.......

 

I feel it is year 2 because they have the qb and the defense i nearly set.....and they appear to have done it in increments and will now (hopefully) work on the offense

Riverside comes through again with common sense!

[Augie]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Again with all of the p***ing and moaning threads all over I just wanted to remind everyone this is really the first year of a rebuild. It's all this player sucks, we whiffed on this person or that person, we should have done this, we should have done that, this coach, that coach, the GM sucks, fire someone, fire everyone, it makes this board hard to read anymore. We lost 2 good OL'man and traded away another for whatever reasons they had. We have a rookie QB without much help, but has still basically been the entire offense this year. We have a rag-tag group of WR's who have not done much to help said rookie QB. No running game. A defense that isn't having the same good fortune as last year. You can post your QB ratings and think it proves something, blame coaching, who we signed, who we didn't sign, blame the GM, whatever. We have a young team at many key positions right now, a FA period with $90,000,000 to spend, and 10 draft picks coming up in 2019. If this was the end of next year I would understand, but it's not. I hope Santa brings you guys some Preparation H and a 3 pack of Puffs with lotion for Christmas. 

 

The bolded needs to be bold, in italics, underlined, in red.....in the most enormous font possible. 

 

What QB is successful with zero threat of a running game? That is rare indeed. 

[vorpma]

5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I get a sense that if things dont work out with the current regime, those who said they would fail will be more happy being right than they would if the team succeeds.

Millennials love drama, it would make there year!

[Big Gun]

Just now, Augie said:

 

The bolded needs to be bold, in italics, underlined, in red.....in the most enormous font possible. 

 

What QB is successful with zero threat of a running game? That is rare indeed. 

I can only think of 3 didn't really have running games that were somewhat successful. Marino, Moon and Brady to a degree.

[CodeMonkey]

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

Wrong, the majority of posters predicted 2018 to be exactly what you seen! Find someone else to get mad at!

Hmmm.  I remember an awful lot of 10-6 and legit playoffs posts.  A lot more than 6-10.  With the 6-10 posters getting labeled negative nancy's etc.

[vorpma]

3 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Well if the current regime fails that means the team won't be successful and the people that are not H U G E McD fans would be right about him. No! 

Why do you not want success!

Just now, CodeMonkey said:

Hmmm.  I remember an awful lot of 10-6 and legit playoffs posts.  A lot more than 6-10.  With the 6-10 posters getting labeled negative nancy's etc.

Nope, your wrong, most predicted 5 - 11 or 6 - 10; no one expected playoffs!

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

Why do you not want success!

Nope, your wrong, most predicted 5 - 11 or 6 - 10; no one expected playoffs!

We have many drama queens that love being angry and b******* everyday on this board; even if we produce a winner the same bunch will find something to complain about! Pick a category - coaching, defense, offense, .......

[Big Gun]

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

Why do you not want success!

???

 

Oh I want success unfortunately I don't think there will be a whole lot of success with the current coach. 

14-18 overall record

532 ppg for

726 ppg against

 

Where is all this success you apparently see that others don't?  

 

 

[vorpma]

Just now, pop gun said:

???

 

Oh I want success unfortunately I don't think there will be a whole lot of success with the current coach. 

14-18 overall record

532 ppg for

726 ppg against

 

Where is all this success you apparently see that others don't?  

 

 

REBUILD why so hard to understand!!!!! Come on dude!

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

I just want to know when Allen is supposed to get better...

 

We only gave EJ Manuel 10 games his rookie year, then 4 into his next before we benched him... and EJ finished those 10 games with a 4 - 6 record, 58.8% completions, 1,972 yards and 11 passing TD's to 9 INT's.

 

Allen has a 4 - 6 record (same), 51.7% completions (significantly worse), 1,850 yards (worse) and 7 passing TD's (worse) to 9 INT's (same). So do we give Allen 1 more game this year, and the first 3 of next season before we settle on his benching? 

 

I mean people HATED EJ by that 2nd season, so how long before Allen gets called out for being the exact same player he's always been since college? Improve? Not even close... he's exactly the damn same! When we're playing the weakest teams the past several weeks it's fun to watch him look decent, running around like a RB... but against good teams he plays just as poorly as he always has in college the past few years against good teams!

 

But I don't know why I'm even trying to explain this... these same board members are the ones who claimed:

 

1. We should easily make the playoffs again since we did it last year, and we now have a better QB

2. The O-line improved by subtraction...(seriously, wtf argument was that?!)

3. The we didn't have the worst QB group in the league with only 4 games started between 3 guys 

4. That our WR corps anchored by KB was a solid starting unit

5. Allen is better than Mahomes

6. LeSean McCoy has many good years left ahead of him

7. Accuracy isn't important and "doesn't really matter"

 

It could go on and on, but these brilliant assessments have driven me nuts since the off season, and looking ahead it'll likely get even worse. The one thing I know for a fact is that if we want Allen to succeed, we DO NOT draft any defensive player with our first pick.

 

Our unit is ranked #1 overall, so perhaps work on improving the 30th-32nd ranked offense instead. 

He is supposed to get better on the same trajectory as when he was drafted

 

- He is very raw

- He played in a lower conference of Div 1 football and so there is an adjustment

- He plays with CRAP.....crap running game.....crap protection.....crap he is throwing to

 

Is he SUPPOSED to be playing good this year?

 

Yet DESPITE all of that.....he is the best offensive player we put on the field at any position......so yes you could make a case that he is playing better NOW......but you could also say that it makes sense he will play better when the talent around him is better

[vorpma]

Just now, vorpma said:

REBUILD why so hard to understand!!!!! Come on dude!

 

1 minute ago, pop gun said:

???

 

Oh I want success unfortunately I don't think there will be a whole lot of success with the current coach. 

14-18 overall record

532 ppg for

726 ppg against

 

Where is all this success you apparently see that others don't?  

 

 

Try soccer!

[Big Gun]

2 minutes ago, vorpma said:

REBUILD why so hard to understand!!!!! Come on dude!

So it's a belief you hold instead of cold hard results. 

 

My belief is McD won't be much better next year than he was this year.

 

Nobody purposely rebuilds in the NFL because it doesn't work. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by pop gun

[RaoulDuke79]

3 minutes ago, pop gun said:

???

 

Oh I want success unfortunately I don't think there will be a whole lot of success with the current coach. 

14-18 overall record

532 ppg for

726 ppg against

 

Where is all this success you apparently see that others don't?  

 

 

Patience grasshopper. 

[vorpma]

Just now, pop gun said:

So it's a belief you hold instead of cold hard results. 

 

My belief is McD won't be much better next year than he was this year.

And your belief is "cold hard facts?"

1 minute ago, pop gun said:

So it's a belief you hold instead of cold hard results. 

 

My belief is McD won't be much better next year than he was this year.

 

Nobody purposely rebuilds in the NFL because it doesn't work. 

Nobody rebuilds in the NFL - OK, you have no credibility with me and I no longer will respond as you don't have a clue!

[hondo in seattle]

Most of the people who looked at this year's - and next year's - roster spending realize that 2018 is very intentionally a rebuilding year.

Those who have not grasped this before aren't going to grasp this now because we've added yet another thread.  

[Big Gun]

Just now, vorpma said:

And your belief is "cold hard facts?"

Here i'll go slower for you

 

14   -   18   r e c o r d

 

5 3 2  p p g f o r

 

7 2 6 p p g a g a i n s t

 

Just now, hondo in seattle said:

Most of the people who looked at this year's - and next year's - roster spending realize that 2018 is very intentionally a rebuilding year.

Those who have not grasped this before aren't going to grasp this now because we've added yet another thread.  

doing a rebuild on purpose doesn't work in the nfl, show me where it has.

[vorpma]

3 minutes ago, pop gun said:

So it's a belief you hold instead of cold hard results. 

 

My belief is McD won't be much better next year than he was this year.

 

Nobody purposely rebuilds in the NFL because it doesn't work. 

Try to open a book and research the the Steeler's and Dolphins of the 70's, Bills and Cowboys of the 80's, Patriots of the 90's .... you won't get it!

1 minute ago, pop gun said:

Here i'll go slower for you

 

14   -   18   r e c o r d

 

5 3 2  p p g f o r

 

7 2 6 p p g a g a i n s t

 

doing a rebuild on purpose doesn't work in the nfl, show me where it has.

Guys like pop gun MFed Jimmy Johnson when rebuilding the Steeler's, Dolphins, Bills, Cowboys; do you think the good fairy just drops a SB contender on a city?

2 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Try to open a book and research the the Steeler's and Dolphins of the 70's, Bills and Cowboys of the 80's, Patriots of the 90's .... you won't get it!

Guys like pop gun MFed Jimmy Johnson when rebuilding the Steeler's, Dolphins, Bills, Cowboys; do you think the good fairy just drops a SB contender on a city?

Let me clarify the last post because I am sure it confused you - Jimmy Johnson rebuild a failing distraught franchise the Cowboys; try and do a little research dude!

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Try to open a book and research the the Steeler's and Dolphins of the 70's, Bills and Cowboys of the 80's, Patriots of the 90's .... you won't get it!

 

 

Theres no guarantee in claiming a past success will repeat for a team we cheer for

 

there is some hope, and it relies heavily on big improvement at basically every position on O

 

 

[vorpma]

6 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Here i'll go slower for you

 

14   -   18   r e c o r d

 

5 3 2  p p g f o r

 

7 2 6 p p g a g a i n s t

 

doing a rebuild on purpose doesn't work in the nfl, show me where it has.

BFD REBUILD REBUILD REBUILD

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Theres no guarantee in claiming a past success will repeat for a team we cheer for

 

there is some hope, and it relies heavily on big improvement at basically every position on O

 

 

The only thing in life that is certain are taxes and death; come on!

[row_33]

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

BFD REBUILD REBUILD REBUILD

The only thing in life that is certain are taxes and death; come on!

 

I can form some non-binding theories about teams I cheer for, with a correlation to utter doom.