DCOrange Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Augie said: If you’ve never been to Nashville and seen Belmont, you probably don’t realize what an awesome school it is. Everyone knows Vandy, but Belmont and Lipscomb are great too. What a great town, I hope it survives all the growth. It'll survive and I'm sure in the very least, the Honky Tonk Highway will remain mostly the same, but after visiting a month or two ago, I'll be fascinated to see how different it is in like 5 years. Just being there for my first time one of the first things I noticed was that it felt like it was about to go through some major major development. The surrounding pockets of Nashville will be almost unrecognizable in 5-10 years IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 is this fake "play in" of #16s the worst form of "participation ribbon" ruination of the game? and to call it "round one" and tell Fair-Dick that "they have now won a game in March Madness" you have to be ***** kidding me to invent and count this game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: is this fake "play in" of #16s the worst form of "participation ribbon" ruination of the game? and to call it "round one" and tell Fair-Dick that "they have now won a game in March Madness" you have to be ***** kidding me to invent and count this game.... Yes, the ‘play-in’ games are absurd and cheapens the whole tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yes, the ‘play-in’ games are absurd and cheapens the whole tournament. so Austin Carr's heatcheck game is now placed in the category of #11s and #16s playing each other? the first round begins Thursday afternoons... so Fairleigh Dickinson can proudly say that as a #16 seed they won a game in March Madness... vomit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 @row_33 and @KD in CA is this really that upsetting to you? I think it's great. What was dumb is when they first started it and called these four games "round 1" -- they finally scrapped that stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, eball said: @row_33 and @KD in CA is this really that upsetting to you? I think it's great. What was dumb is when they first started it and called these four games "round 1" -- they finally scrapped that stupid idea. yeah, a #16 doesn't deserve to claim they have "won a game" except for B-MC (or whatever it was) good to see they've changed the decision on not counting this for "round one", it was certainly counting in programs i purchased at real second round games i attended years ago... you keep watering things down and they lose any context outside of sitting there like a mental patient thrilled that there are so many games on... unless you are gambling on them, real gambling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, eball said: @row_33 and @KD in CA is this really that upsetting to you? I think it's great. What was dumb is when they first started it and called these four games "round 1" -- they finally scrapped that stupid idea. Upsetting? No, things that don't impact on my life are rarely upsetting. But it's objectively stupid. You have a tournament where one group of teams is arbitrarially assigned to play an extra game. In the NFL or MLB byes/WCs are earned based on objective standards. And it was done for two bad reasons a) more TV money and b) every year people whined about some team like Georgia Tech going 19-13 and getting left out. The second one obviously has not changed as someone will always be left out. Why do you think it's great? If it's simply a matter of "more games = better" than why not just put 128 teams in the tournament and start it on Monday? The NCAA tournament is great because you had a completely fair set up....until now. Edited March 20, 2019 by KD in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 i used to watch ski-jumping on TV at the Olympics, they'd cut the presentation down to the top 12 and show their jumps and with some form of context and background now they show all 85 or so competitors and there is zero context at all, not a clue about names or anything at all.. or just show the top 3 jumps in 15 seconds. keep adding water to the mix and calling it milk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Upsetting? No, things that don't impact on my life are rarely upsetting. But it's objectively stupid. You have a tournament where one group of teams is arbitrarially assigned to play an extra game. In the NFL or MLB byes/WCs are earned based on objective standards. And it was done for two bad reasons a) more TV money and b) every year people whined about some team like Georgia Tech going 19-13 and getting left out. The second one obviously has not changed as someone will always be left out. Why do you think it's great? If it's simply a matter of "more games = better" than why not just put 128 teams in the tournament and start it on Monday? The NCAA tournament is great because you had a completely fair set up....until now. It's great because it gives several teams an opportunity for their games to be "showcased" without knowing it is going to be a blowout. What do #16 seeds really have to get excited about? Last night Fairleigh Dickinson got to be the only show in town for a national audience. That's kind of cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, eball said: It's great because it gives several teams an opportunity for their games to be "showcased" without knowing it is going to be a blowout. What do #16 seeds really have to get excited about? Last night Fairleigh Dickinson got to be the only show in town for a national audience. That's kind of cool. how do you mean showcased? do you remember the names of players you watched an hour after the game is over? are you honestly getting uplifted by a bunch of strangers playing a HORRIBLY executed game, does this continue for more than 5 minutes after it's over? it's bad enough when the final four has zero lottery pick players in it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: It'll survive and I'm sure in the very least, the Honky Tonk Highway will remain mostly the same, but after visiting a month or two ago, I'll be fascinated to see how different it is in like 5 years. Just being there for my first time one of the first things I noticed was that it felt like it was about to go through some major major development. The surrounding pockets of Nashville will be almost unrecognizable in 5-10 years IMO. It’s hard to recognize from 5-10 years ago already. Every perking lot downtown seems to be under development or planned for some big project. It’s cheaper to Uber into town than park. I can’t wait for the schedule to come out! Unless the game in Nashville conflicts with a cruise we booked, I’ll be there. That was an awesome game last time, and the pedestrian walk into town makes it perfect for post-game festivities. (I much prefer the Gulch to the honky tonks, but if you're in Nashville, you should see both.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Who ya got to win it all? Anyone besides Duke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: how do you mean showcased? do you remember the names of players you watched an hour after the game is over? are you honestly getting uplifted by a bunch of strangers playing a HORRIBLY executed game, does this continue for more than 5 minutes after it's over? it's bad enough when the final four has zero lottery pick players in it.... I'm a fan of COLLEGE basketball. The game was the only one being played at the time, on national TV. That's showcased. Yes, I still know that FDU's Darnell Edge lit it up in the game. It's fun for the schools and players. Everything isn't created for the at-home "I-only-want-to-see-stars" viewers. A final four without lottery picks is a dream to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: Who ya got to win it all? Anyone besides Duke? I like both Tennessee and Virginia personally. I think whoever comes out of that region has a pretty good chance and I think Duke's lack of shooting will eventually haunt them in one of these games. Just my gut feeling though; obviously Zion is an absolute freak of nature so it wouldn't be surprising if they win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, DCOrange said: I like both Tennessee and Virginia personally. I think whoever comes out of that region has a pretty good chance and I think Duke's lack of shooting will eventually haunt them in one of these games. Just my gut feeling though; obviously Zion is an absolute freak of nature so it wouldn't be surprising if they win it. I have filled out two brackets, and I do like Virginia (have them losing to duke in the final in one and losing to Tennessee in the other) but their history worries me, although this is one of his best teams for sure. And UVA losing to Duke twice already makes it hard for me to pick them to win it, if they do in fact face each other again in the finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, DCOrange said: I like both Tennessee and Virginia personally. I think whoever comes out of that region has a pretty good chance and I think Duke's lack of shooting will eventually haunt them in one of these games. Just my gut feeling though; obviously Zion is an absolute freak of nature so it wouldn't be surprising if they win it. The key to beating Dook isn't stopping Zion...it's stopping Barrett, or at least making him take an inordinate amount of shots to get his points. Make no mistake, they are the prohibitive favorite to win this thing for good reason, but they are not unbeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, eball said: I'm a fan of COLLEGE basketball. The game was the only one being played at the time, on national TV. That's showcased. Yes, I still know that FDU's Darnell Edge lit it up in the game. It's fun for the schools and players. Everything isn't created for the at-home "I-only-want-to-see-stars" viewers. A final four without lottery picks is a dream to me. all power to you.... cheering for your alma mater or team you are attached to is awesome!! or going to the first/second round doubleheaders in Buffalo or Detroit or Pittsburgh in the early rounds is the greatest, DO IT as much as you can!!! Forming a group of friends and relatives for an annual pilgrimage is the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, eball said: The key to beating Dook isn't stopping Zion...it's stopping Barrett, or at least making him take an inordinate amount of shots to get his points. Make no mistake, they are the prohibitive favorite to win this thing for good reason, but they are not unbeatable. They are, but even as the favorites, you're still only talking about roughly 20% odds to win it. In all likelihood, someone else will win. I agree that stopping Zion is a fool's errand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 hours ago, KD in CA said: Yes, the ‘play-in’ games are absurd and cheapens the whole tournament. What I really find absurd about it is half the 11 seeds have to play in. It's bad enough that half the 16s are not in the 1st round yet, but why the 11s? And why only half? If you are going to do it at all it should be all the 16s. Confounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: Who ya got to win it all? Anyone besides Duke? I have UNC over Gonzaga in the final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I have UNC over Gonzaga in the final I would LOVE that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Man, Bobby Hurley seems like a total douche. Hopefully UB can wipe the floor with Arizona State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) Hurley acts like an idiot every game. His team is no pushover though, they beat Kansas, Miss St, and a good Ut St team out of conference. They finished 2nd in the PAC 12(which I admit had a down year), and went 3-3 quad 1, 8-3 quad 2. Still can't understand why a team with that resume would have to play into the tournament, or why any 11 seed would have to play in. Stupid imo. Edited March 21, 2019 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Turk71 said: M I'llHurley acts like an idiot every game. His team is no pushover though, they beat Kansas, Miss St, and a good Ut St team out of conference. They finished 2nd in the PAC 12(which I admit had a down year), and went 3-3 quad 1, 8-3 quad 2. Still can't understand why a team with that resume would have to play into the tournament, or why any 11 seed would have to play in. Stupid imo. I was just wondering today how the seeding works. Wouldn’t it make sense to have a play in game for a 16th seed? How do they do a play in game for an 11th seed. Isn’t that basically admitting that a team (St Johns in this case) isn’t making the tournament while a worse team (a 12-16 seed) makes it? Edited March 21, 2019 by Bills2ref 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I was just wondering today how the seeding works. Wouldn’t it make sense to have a play in game for a 16th seed? How do they do a play in game for an 11th seed. Isn’t that basically admitting that a team (St Johns in this case) isn’t making the tournament while a worse team (a 12-16 seed) makes it? It makes no sense at all to me. Also only some of the 11 teams have to play in, seems really off and unfair. If they insist on these play in games it should be for all of the 16 spots imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Turk71 said: It makes no sense at all to me. Also only some of the 11 teams have to play in, seems really off and unfair. If they insist on these play in games it should be for all of the 16 spots imo. 30 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I was just wondering today how the seeding works. Wouldn’t it make sense to have a play in game for a 16th seed? How do they do a play in game for an 11th seed. Isn’t that basically admitting that a team (St Johns in this case) isn’t making the tournament while a worse team (a 12-16 seed) makes it? It is because of the number of seeds now in the tournament... automatic bids vs at large The first 4 puts the 4 lowest seeded automatic qualifier vs each other and the 4 lowest at large bids vs each other its actually put together well the lowest 4 at large bids are 11 seeds and they play each other Edited March 21, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Turk71 said: It makes no sense at all to me. Also only some of the 11 teams have to play in, seems really off and unfair. If they insist on these play in games it should be for all of the 16 spots imo. To me, logically, both St John’s and Arizona would be in. This playoff game would be for the 11th seed. The loser gets 12, 12 goes to 13, etc. 16th seed would obviously get bumped then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 22 hours ago, KD in CA said: Yes, the ‘play-in’ games are absurd and cheapens the whole tournament. Come on man, it doesn't cheapen the whole tournament. If you don't like, just don't start watching the tournament until Thursday. & keep this in mind there have been 4 teams that have played in the play in game since it has been created that have reached the sweet sixteen & one team(VCU) that has made it the final four. I am not crazy about the games & rarely watch them but it doesn't really bother & certainly doesn't cheapen the whole tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, eball said: The key to beating Dook isn't stopping Zion...it's stopping Barrett, or at least making him take an inordinate amount of shots to get his points. Make no mistake, they are the prohibitive favorite to win this thing for good reason, but they are not unbeatable. UNC actually outplayed them for a good part of the game Friday night. I thought they were the better team. I don't think this is a similar case of UK back in 2014. They were far superior to any team in the field. There are 6-7 teams that are pretty close with Duke getting the slight edge over them because they have the best player. 3 things concern me about Duke. Their three point shooting, their foul shooting & their inexperience. They are the favorite, but it is going to be interesting to see how this plays out. 11 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I was just wondering today how the seeding works. Wouldn’t it make sense to have a play in game for a 16th seed? How do they do a play in game for an 11th seed. Isn’t that basically admitting that a team (St Johns in this case) isn’t making the tournament while a worse team (a 12-16 seed) makes it? The 12 thru 16 seeds are usually auto qualifiers. When they set this up, I think they wanted to limit the teams playing in the play in game that were auto qualifiers. The 11 seeds for the most part are usually the last at large bids to make it & that is why they pit the 11 seeds against each other in 2 of the games. Edited March 21, 2019 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I was just wondering today how the seeding works. Wouldn’t it make sense to have a play in game for a 16th seed? How do they do a play in game for an 11th seed. Isn’t that basically admitting that a team (St Johns in this case) isn’t making the tournament while a worse team (a 12-16 seed) makes it? No. Many (most?) of the 14-16 seeds are in only because of winning their conference tournaments, but they are crappy teams. So those bids are spoken for. The 11 vs. 11 games are typically between at-large bid teams. 1 hour ago, Gordio said: The 12 thru 16 seeds are usually auto qualifiers. When they set this up, I think they wanted to limit the teams playing in the play in game that were auto qualifiers. The 11 seeds for the most part are usually the last at large bids to make it & that is why they pit the 11 seeds against each other in 2 of the games. Ha, you beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 NM State down 2 with the ball to Auburn when a kid gets fouled on a missed 3 pointer under 2 seconds left. The 78% FT shooter misses 2 of 3 and they lose. Bruce Pearl advances, but I feel for that kid on a 12 seed who was a good shooter and had the game in his hands at the line. You figure at worst it’s OT. Ouch! That’s gonna sting! Keep your chin up, young man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 This kid from Murray State plays like John Stockton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: This kid from Murray State plays like John Stockton. He tore Marquette apart. What an impressive performance, triple double. 3 hours ago, Augie said: NM State down 2 with the ball to Auburn when a kid gets fouled on a missed 3 pointer under 2 seconds left. The 78% FT shooter misses 2 of 3 and they lose. Bruce Pearl advances, but I feel for that kid on a 12 seed who was a good shooter and had the game in his hands at the line. You figure at worst it’s OT. Ouch! That’s gonna sting! Keep your chin up, young man! What was even worse was the guy who passed on an easy left hand layup to tie the game with 2secs left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Turk71 said: He tore Marquette apart. What an impressive performance, triple double. He dominated the game and took 8 shots total. Incredible vision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: He dominated the game and took 8 shots total. Incredible vision. He was involved in 53 points and only took 9 shots. Wow. 16 assists and 11 rebounds to go with 17 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, Turk71 said: He tore Marquette apart. What an impressive performance, triple double. What was even worse was the guy who passed on an easy left hand layup to tie the game with 2secs left. Did he think they were down three, I wonder, or just try to end it? Tie the game!!! It was basically uncontested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Augie said: Did he think they were down three, I wonder, or just try to end it? Tie the game!!! It was basically uncontested. I wonder if he did think they were down 3. It made no sense, he had a clear path and he was at the rim when he passed it. The guy who got the ball was shocked I think, I know I was. He should have made 2 of the 3 but also should not have been in that situation in the first place. Edited March 21, 2019 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: I wonder if he did think they were down 3. It made no sense, he had a clear path and he was at the rim when he passed it. The guy who got the ball was shocked I think, I know I was. He should have made 2 of the 3 but also should not have been in that situation in the first place. He was a 78% FT shooter on the year. Pressure is not your friend. Edited March 22, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 57 minutes ago, Augie said: He was a 78% FT shooter on the year. Pressure is not your freind. Neither is spelling lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Neither is spelling lol But wine is! (Not to mention the fat fingers.) I always go back and correct my many typos when I notice them, even if it’s days later. I did an aptitude assessment once, and they said editor was a good path for me. Think I can get my money back for that??? ? It’s funny, I get so lazy I just let the iPad correct me for everything. Sad I know, but certainly NOT my WORST quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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