K-9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I watched the whole game last nite.. how was that goaltending ?? The LSU player didn’t touch the ball till it was off the rim right? That negates The goaltending I thought? Not if his hand was in the cylinder plane. Edited February 13, 2019 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I watched the whole game last nite.. how was that goaltending ?? The LSU player didn’t touch the ball till it was off the rim right? That negates The goaltending I thought? I didn’t see it. Was any part of the ball in the cylinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: I didn’t see it. Was any part of the ball in the cylinder? Thanks. I meant to say ball in my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) it was clearly 100% offensive goaltending on the tap-in, half the ball is in the cylinder but they can't review that, just whether the release beat the clock, which it clearly did the ref didn't call the goaltending, so LSU wins at Kentucky great game, i can see 18 teams can win it all this year depending on how hot they get at the right time the fun begins at 8::00 Edited February 13, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, K-9 said: Not if his hand was in the cylinder plane. 7 minutes ago, Augie said: I didn’t see it. Was any part of the ball in the cylinder? I only watched it live but I do believe his hand was in The plane... it was really bang bang but I know the ball wasn’t on the rim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) refs blew the call bigtime, postgame one expert stated it clearly should have been disallowed immediately for off-int, the other expert said that situation isn't reviewable and LSU played a great game 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I only watched it live but I do believe his hand was in The plane... it was really bang bang but I know the ball wasn’t on the rim watch the tape i just provided.....half the ball is in the cylinder... Edited February 13, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I only watched it live but I do believe his hand was in The plane... it was really bang bang but I know the ball wasn’t on the rim Unrelated, but I used this argument to drive my boys crazy: if either team, on offense or defense, touches the ball while it is in the cylinder, it is goaltending. Hence, the dunk is illegal and results in no points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Augie said: Unrelated, but I used this argument to drive my boys crazy: if either team, on offense or defense, touches the ball while it is in the cylinder, it is goaltending. Hence, the dunk is illegal and results in no points. first contact with the ball is the important factor, the dunker is introducing the shot, if he lets it go and it doesn't go down he is liable to interfere if he touches it again in the cylinder, I've seen it a few times.... FIBA allows almost anything to go on baskets Dicky V didn't mention interference at all, he may have already gone past that road with the non-call and non-reviewableness except beating the clock, which it clearly did refs blew that one.... ---------------------------------- so, make interference reviewable in the last 2 minutes or so, please!!! that wasn't even close to ignore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: first contact with the ball is the important factor, the dunker is introducing the shot, if he lets it go and it doesn't go down he is liable to interfere if he touches it again in the cylinder, I've seen it a few times.... I wonder if anywhere in the rule book it actually says that the initial touching in the cylinder is allowed for a dunk. And yes, the put back will get called if any part of the ball is in the cylinder. I do it mostly to annoy the kids (and it worked like a charm!), but I’m a bit curious. Regardless, it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Augie said: I wonder if anywhere in the rule book it actually says that the initial touching in the cylinder is allowed for a dunk. And yes, the put back will get called if any part of the ball is in the cylinder. I do it mostly to annoy the kids (and it worked like a charm!), but I’m a bit curious. Regardless, it is what it is. the dunk-shot has an exemption i'm kind of vexed that the D is now allowed to slap the backboard as hard as they like on a shot, i guess it doesn't matter if you don't actually touch the ball, but a Shaq could hit it hard enough to influence the whole backboard and the shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I only watched it live but I do believe his hand was in The plane... it was really bang bang but I know the ball wasn’t on the rim Definitely off the rim, but a good portion of the ball was still in the cylinder plane. Those bang bang plays can be difficult for refs. Edited February 13, 2019 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, K-9 said: Definitely off the rim, but a good portion of the ball was still in the cylinder plane. Those bang bang plays can be difficult for refs. not with half the ball over the rim, that was a horrendous non-call by the refs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: it was clearly 100% offensive goaltending on the tap-in, half the ball is in the cylinder but they can't review that, just whether the release beat the clock, which it clearly did the ref didn't call the goaltending, so LSU wins at Kentucky great game, i can see 18 teams can win it all this year depending on how hot they get at the right time the fun begins at 8::00 I thought it was close, not a slam dunk call either way. As far as 18 teams have a chance to win it all I couldn't disagree more. This year it is extremely top heavy. You got Duke above everybody & then you have Virginia, Zags, Tenn as the clear favorites, with Kentucky, UNC, slightly behind. I don't think another team has a chance to win it all outside of those 6. Maybe you could throw the Michigans in the mix also but something bothers me about both those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Gordio said: I thought it was close, not a slam dunk call either way. As far as 18 teams have a chance to win it all I couldn't disagree more. This year it is extremely top heavy. You got Duke above everybody & then you have Virginia, Zags, Tenn as the clear favorites, with Kentucky, UNC, slightly behind. I don't think another team has a chance to win it all outside of those 6. Maybe you could throw the Michigans in the mix also but something bothers me about both those teams. Virginia? Oh yes, they have set quite the standard for overrated. Depends on the tourney itself, they love to give mid-majors who played 1 top 40 team all year the high seeds, sets up for better "upsets" in the first round. Gonzaga sailed to the final a few years ago not playing ANYBODY from November to the final itself. While on the other side of the bracket it seemed like North Carolina vs Kentucky type-games were played several times to make it more of a mockery. You need some eyeglasses if you can't tell the ball was more than half above the cylinder on the replays from that angle. Your credibility is disappearing carrying into the second paragraph.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Re: LSU/UK -- I don't know the answer, but does "within the cylinder extending upwards from the rim" mean entirely within the cylinder? If so, then the tip was not basket interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, eball said: Re: LSU/UK -- I don't know the answer, but does "within the cylinder extending upwards from the rim" mean entirely within the cylinder? If so, then the tip was not basket interference. I believe the NCAA rule means any part of the ball within the cylinder plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 21 hours ago, row_33 said: Virginia? Oh yes, they have set quite the standard for overrated. Depends on the tourney itself, they love to give mid-majors who played 1 top 40 team all year the high seeds, sets up for better "upsets" in the first round. Gonzaga sailed to the final a few years ago not playing ANYBODY from November to the final itself. While on the other side of the bracket it seemed like North Carolina vs Kentucky type-games were played several times to make it more of a mockery. You need some eyeglasses if you can't tell the ball was more than half above the cylinder on the replays from that angle. Your credibility is disappearing carrying into the second paragraph.... You must be a Kentucky fan.? It is not reviewable & it is a bang bang play. Give the refs a break, call could of went either way. I don't care what has happened the past 5 years under Tony Bennett, the Hoos will be a tough out this March. They are a much more efficient scoring team than they have been in the past & the back court with Guys & Jerome is terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Gordio said: You must be a Kentucky fan.? It is not reviewable & it is a bang bang play. Give the refs a break, call could of went either way. I don't care what has happened the past 5 years under Tony Bennett, the Hoos will be a tough out this March. They are a much more efficient scoring team than they have been in the past & the back court with Guys & Jerome is terrific. not a Kentucky fan, and yes it's not reviewable it was a 100% TOTAL BLIND *****=UP BY THE REFS worse than the no-call in the Rams/Saints game... Edited February 14, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: not a Kentucky fan, and yes it's not reviewable it was a 100% TOTAL BLIND *****=UP BY THE REFS worse than the no-call in the Rams/Saints game... Come on man, that is a total exaggeration. Nothing was worse than the no call in the saints game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 another goof to the ignore pile... what's on tap tonight for the college scene... wonderful, play-nobody Houston and Gonzaga face cupcakes to ensure their unproven top seedings (they may very well be deserved but who know???) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 18 hours ago, row_33 said: another goof to the ignore pile... what's on tap tonight for the college scene... wonderful, play-nobody Houston and Gonzaga face cupcakes to ensure their unproven top seedings (they may very well be deserved but who know???) Good, your opinions are stupid anyways & you know nothing about the rules of college basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Houston and Gonzaga beat their cupcakes, the announcer where WHOOPING IT UP for them like this was a bigger event than the moon landing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Hofstra 22-4 and having a good season. Hoping they can be a Cinderella team in the tourney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 13 hours ago, Another Fan said: Hofstra 22-4 and having a good season. Hoping they can be a Cinderella team in the tourney Win that conference first, doesn’t look like an at large will be handed out this year. on tap today while the bones mend.... Terps at Michigan Iowa St at K St NCST at Duke til it’s garbagetime Vols at Kentucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, row_33 said: Win that conference first, doesn’t look like an at large will be handed out this year. on tap today while the bones mend.... Terps at Michigan Iowa St at K St NCST at Duke til it’s garbagetime Vols at Kentucky As much as I hate Duke, I’ll tune in to see Zion. Not only is he fun to watch, but the BIL’s kids went to high school with him in Spartanburg, SC. All the little stories made me like the kid and family. His first prom party got sketchy so he left and went to BIL’s post prom pool party last year. His parents came by first (in the middle of the night) to be sure it was a proper environment. I guess he’s got more to lose than most kids, but I think I got home a few days after the prom, with not so much as a question from my parents. That might explain some things.... The comeback against Louisville was sweet, despite Duke winning. Seeing Chris Mack’s team blow it felt kind of good. He’s done a heck of a job with that team, though. No denying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: As much as I hate Duke, I’ll tune in to see Zion. Not only is he fun to watch, but the BIL’s kids went to high school with him in Spartanburg, SC. All the little stories made me like the kid and family. His first prom party got sketchy so he left and went to BIL’s post prom pool party last year. His parents came by first (in the middle of the night) to be sure it was a proper environment. I guess he’s got more to lose than most kids, but I think I got home a few days after the prom, with not so much as a question from my parents. That might explain some things.... The comeback against Louisville was sweet, despite Duke winning. Seeing Chris Mack’s team blow it felt kind of good. He’s done a heck of a job with that team, though. No denying that. Cool story. I don't really follow the NBA that much but the team I like is the Cavs. If I read their message boards Zion is the player most fans have the heart on drafting. Locally Knicks fans would like him as well. I think though in today's NBA the 3 worst teams go in the lottery together for the #1 pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Another Fan said: Cool story. I don't really follow the NBA that much but the team I like is the Cavs. If I read their message boards Zion is the player most fans have the heart on drafting. Locally Knicks fans would like him as well. I think though in today's NBA the 3 worst teams go in the lottery together for the #1 pick? I don’t follow it THAT closely, but I have heard people say two Duke players, and possibly three could all go in the top 3 picks. It’s a ridiculously loaded team. There are closer to a dozen teams in the lottery I think, but it’s heavily weighted in favor of the worst teams (how many ping pong balls in the hopper). It still doesn’t stop teams from trying to tank, so the whole thing is a bit of a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Please help me see how Zion has any skills to guarantee he is going to dominate the NBA next year, especially if he goes to a horrible team. He doesn’t create out there, no half court presence, no shot to speak of outside, works with his back to the basket when dribbling Its nice he is big and can dunk and shove college kids out of the way, that doesn’t cut it with the pros if you turn down the announcers and media and ad pitchmen screaming he is the greatest ever it really isn’t all that much to watch except for his size and agility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, row_33 said: Please help me see how Zion has any skills to guarantee he is going to dominate the NBA next year, especially if he goes to a horrible team. He doesn’t create out there, no half court presence, no shot to speak of outside, works with his back to the basket when dribbling Its nice he is big and can dunk and shove college kids out of the way, that doesn’t cut it with the pros if you turn down the announcers and media and ad pitchmen screaming he is the greatest ever it really isn’t all that much to watch except for his size and agility You'll change your tune. For instance, Zion has a decent outside shot; he doesn't use it all that much, now. Also, when LeBron came into the league, he didn't have much of an outside shot. Talented guys can improve on most aspects of their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Nice bounceback win for Michigan. It seems like Iggy is slumping a bit. I would generally be concerned about the freshman wall, but he's 20 years old so I don't think that's going to be as much as a factor. Got to play with more control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Ok, guys and gals, the latest installment of the best rivalry in college BB tips off Wednesday night. Who ya like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, eball said: Ok, guys and gals, the latest installment of the best rivalry in college BB tips off Wednesday night. Who ya like? NC....but I have tonight on my mind,the Hokies are getting 5.5. I think VT wins outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 19 hours ago, eball said: Ok, guys and gals, the latest installment of the best rivalry in college BB tips off Wednesday night. Who ya like? My son is a huge UNC fan so I will be rooting for them. I just think Duke is going to have their way with them in the paint, too much size & strength for a UNC team that is a perimeter team. If they shoot the lights out from 3 land they have a chance. 19 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: NC....but I have tonight on my mind,the Hokies are getting 5.5. I think VT wins outright. People continue to underrate this Virginia team. They are good. I am thinking about putting some money on them to win the tournament when I go to Vegas in a few weeks. They are 8-1 odds right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Gordio said: My son is a huge UNC fan so I will be rooting for them. I just think Duke is going to have their way with them in the paint, too much size & strength for a UNC team that is a perimeter team. If they shoot the lights out from 3 land they have a chance. Yeah, it's like the two programs switched places this year. I've been really impressed with the Heels' shooting -- it's their best 3-pt shooting team I can remember. I expect a Dook win but you never know in this rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eball said: Yeah, it's like the two programs switched places this year. I've been really impressed with the Heels' shooting -- it's their best 3-pt shooting team I can remember. I expect a Dook win but you never know in this rivalry. Yep, it is usually UNC that has the dominant inside presence. When they get going they are a real good perimeter team. Your right though, anything can happen when these two play against each other; 4-4 in the last 8 meeting with Duke having an overall +8 point differential overall. That is amazing how close that is. Edited February 19, 2019 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 I believe I just heard on Dan Patrick the UNC/Duke tickets are going for slightly more than Super Bowl tickets did this year. WOW! I spent quite a few summers in Chapel Hill while my kids went to hoops camp there. Duke is “impressive”, but Chapel Hill is awesome in so many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gordio said: Yep, it is usually UNC that has the dominant inside presence. When they get going they are a real good perimeter team. Your right though, anything can happen when these two play against each other; 4-4 in the last 8 meeting with Duke having an overall +8 point differential overall. That is amazing how close that is. Yep. I'm curious to see how Roy plans to deal with Zion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 20 hours ago, eball said: Ok, guys and gals, the latest installment of the best rivalry in college BB tips off Wednesday night. Who ya like? I hate both of them, but I “like” Dook to win. They’re back to firing on all cylinders again. Should be a fun game to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 8:03 PM, Formerly Allan in MD said: You'll change your tune. For instance, Zion has a decent outside shot; he doesn't use it all that much, now. Also, when LeBron came into the league, he didn't have much of an outside shot. Talented guys can improve on most aspects of their game. LeBron drove to the hoop, face to the basket, with the best from Day One in the NBA, he took on the entire Pistons team by himself in a playoff series not too far into his career. I've been watching college 45 years and they love to hype a kid every season, but it more often than not doesn't pan out all that great. My first year of watching really seriously was the Magic/Bird year 1978-79, there hasn't been anything like that in one season since. Probably never will be again. Zion is big and hyped, wish him well, never enough superstars in the NBA, I just don't see how he fits into a game where the best are putting up dozens of 3PFGA every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Zion is more of a Charles Barkley than a Lebron James. He’s gonna be really, really good in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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