McD - we do have wins, although they are not always on the scoreboard. Saw some Bills style football yesterday

[ROCBillsBeliever]

15 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

It drives you nuts that the current MVP leader was available when our pick came up in 2017, and we traded it to a team who picked him?

 

It should drive you nuts. It was the worst decision this franchise has made in 30 years. 

 

If Mahomes would be a leading MVP candidate with our WR group and OL, then I, good sir, am a taco... a fish taco. 

[Ayjent]

5 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

If Mahomes would be a leading MVP candidate with our WR group and OL, then I, good sir, am a taco... a fish taco. 

Further evidence of the great decision making going on at OBD.  You're closer to a fish taco than the Bills are to a good team.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Ayjent

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

21 hours ago, teef said:

i saw so little yesterday that i just walked away from watching the game.  i just don't want to watch that type of football.  at this point, unless allen is in, i just don't care.

 

this is where I am at. I honestly am starting to believe McD and his sidekick Beane are in too far over their heads. sure, been saying give them the off season and next draft. well, if I saw anything on sunday afternoon that represented competent coaching and play on the field, I might believe that to be true.

 

unfortunately that is not what we're seeing.

 

 sorry Sean, the only wins come in the win/loss column.

Edited November 6, 2018 by no name

[skibum]

15 hours ago, BillsVet said:

If Super Bowls were won based on moral victories, the Bills would be the New England Patriots of this century.

No, they would still be a bottom feeder team.

[klos63]

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Is that 500 yards worth $16M a year?  That was my point.  I like Sammy, a lot.  But he isnt putting up the numbers to justify his paycheck.  And Cooks is doing a lot more in his first year with Goff than Watkins did.  

 

We dont miss his absence...we miss the absence of 3 Pro Bowl OL.  Thats the issue.  But MOST importantly...here is what no one seems to grasp.  Had we not traded Glenn, we would have had to trade THIS years First to get Allen.  Think about that.  It was a much better to move to keep this years first which will almost certainly be top 5 and could be top 3.  

 

We traded a 3rd for KB because we were in the thick of a playoff race.  Had we not been trying to make the playoffs, KB trade never happens.  And I applaud them for trying to do what they needed to get us there once it became clear that playoffs were a real possibility.  It didn't work out, but most people here liked the trade when it happened.  And Jordan's bad luck of injuries also forced their hand.  Had Jordan stayed healthy, we also wouldn't have had to try and make a move.  They got the best guy that was available last year.  And you know what, KB helped us make the playoffs, he made a couple key plays like in the snow game that helped us get there.  So cant fault them for that, it contributed to our breaking the 17 year drought. 

 

And who can blame them for taking a flyer on Coleman for a 7th?  Most everyone loved the move at the time.  And they didn't cut AJM, they traded him for a decent draft pick because NO ONE was gonna trade us a 5th for Peterman and they wanted to start Allen anyway.  They said multiple times the plan was to start Allen week 1, but his 3rd preseason game where he struggled and got dinged up gave them pause to see if they can prepare a little more before starting.  NP had a solid preseason then flopped...so they made the switch early.

 

Im not saying ultimately this all works out.  I am saying they haven't even begun the offensive rebuild yet outside Allen.  We won't truly know what kind of path we are on until we see the results of how they use 10 draft picks and 90M in cap space to work on the offense this off season.

Not to get into a long back and forth, but 500 yards over 8 games equates to a 1000 yard season. Yes, these days that is worth around $16MM no matter how crazy it sounds. And they had a chance to draft Mahomes or Watson with their own picks in 2017.

[Billsfan1972]

You know what Buffalo Bills Football is to me????  Jim Kelly & the K-Gun.....  Someone should remind McD that these were the most successful teams in Buffalo.

 

 

Watkins was the Bills pick, right or wrong and has played well (not great), but is paid as a top echelon receiver and had multiple offers all in that range.  Quit spinning it otherwise.

 

Now that the NFL pays $16 Million for players of Watkins ilk, tell me who the Bills will get for $16 million to help their most important player and position at QB?

[oldmanfan]

15 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't think Allen is going to hit.

 

I didn't see any flashes from him. At best he completed throws any NFL starting QB should be expected to complete and at his worst he didn't look like he belonged on the field.

 

I think you're counting your chickens before they actually hatch.

 

Mahomes is a stud. 

 

If we offered the Chiefs Allen, White, Edmunds, Phillips and Johnson for Mahomes, they'd laugh in our face. 

Says the guy that thought Winston would be worth an entire draft.

 

Mahomes is doing great.  To suggest everyone knew he'd be this good pre-draft is a complete fallacy.

13 hours ago, LEBills said:

 

This is a post you made back in 2017 comparing the class of Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson to the 2013 NFL Draft QB class.

 

 

Now you are saying Mahomes has ALWAYS been an elite passer. Perhaps, it wasn’t quite that easy to see back then?

 

And I’m someone hoping we clean house after the season to bring in an offensive minded coach for Josh Allen. Cause with good coaching and the right talent around him I think he can be like one of those 2017 QBs. 

Well, how about that?  Not surprising.

[jrober38]

24 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

If Mahomes would be a leading MVP candidate with our WR group and OL, then I, good sir, am a taco... a fish taco. 

 

I never said he'd be an MVP here.

 

But I'm 100% certain we'd have more than 3 TD passes all year and would be scoring a lot more than 10 points per game. 

[oldmanfan]

McD wants a team that plays hard until the whistle blows, that continues to compete even when things don't look good.  And if you want to start cherry picking quotes, it's interesting that folks forget the one about him saying on WGRs afternoon show yesterday that you have to have  a QB that plays consistently well to win.  Which is right in line with Beane pre-draft saying that until you have your QB you don't win in the league.

 

The jury of course is still out on Allen.  But to suggest these guys don't understand you have to have offense to win in the league is folly.  They just don't have the horses right now, and they need to fix that this off season.

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I never said he'd be an MVP here.

 

But I'm 100% certain we'd have more than 3 TD passes all year and would be scoring a lot more than 10 points per game. 

But, then again, you have absolutely no credibility when it comes to assessing QBs. So, there's that.....

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

12 minutes ago, no name said:

 

this is where I am at. I honestly am starting to believe McD and his sidekick Beane are in too far over their heads. sure, been saying give them the off season and next draft. well, if I saw anything on sunday afternoon that represented competent coaching and play on the field, I might believe that to be true.

 

unfortunately that is not what were seeing.

 

 sorry Sean, the only wins come in the win/loss column.

 

Strange. I saw an overmatched team with inferior offensive talent hanging with a contender up until a scoop-and-score and a fluke pick 6.

 

I guess we all perceive the world differently.

[teef]

18 minutes ago, no name said:

 

this is where I am at. I honestly am starting to believe McD and his sidekick Beane are in too far over their heads. sure, been saying give them the off season and next draft. well, if I saw anything on sunday afternoon that represented competent coaching and play on the field, I might believe that to be true.

 

unfortunately that is not what were seeing.

 

 sorry Sean, the only wins come in the win/loss column.

not that i'm giving up, but this time of the year there's so much to do, that i just can't give up hours to watch really poor football.  i'll record it and skim through it, but the last two weeks i've just walked away.

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Again, this is so incredibly false. It's bordering on comical how vehemently you are defending this incompetent coach & GM.

 

You deserve a medal for the mental gymnastics you are performing in order to arrive at these ridiculous points. 

 

Im pretty sure he works for the team.  Its surreal. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, teef said:

not that i'm giving up, but this time of the year there's so much to do, that i just can't give up hours to watch really poor football.  i'll record it and skim through it, but the last two weeks i've just walked away.

I rarely watch the team live anymore (other than when I can get back to Buffalo and attend a game). I would rather spend my Sunday afternoons doing more productive things. I check in on the score every 30 minutes or so, and, then, win or lose, when I have some time to myself, I will watch the replay on NFL Gamepass.

[CodeMonkey]

12 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

TBD posters listening to McDermott interviews on the radio, moments before posting about it...

 

 

You after listening to McCoach make an asinine statement yet again ... 

Edited November 6, 2018 by CodeMonkey

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

13 minutes ago, teef said:

not that i'm giving up, but this time of the year there's so much to do, that i just can't give up hours to watch really poor football.  i'll record it and skim through it, but the last two weeks i've just walked away.

 

...as have I.

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Im pretty sure he works for the team.  Its surreal. 

Alphadawg7 is perfectly capable of defending himself. However, for the record, he is a knowledgeable poster that has provided quality posts here for a long time. Between you and him? Not really a close call on which poster I respect more for what they contribute.

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Strange. I saw an overmatched team with inferior offensive talent hanging with a contender up until a scoop-and-score and a fluke pick 6.

 

I guess we all perceive the world differently.

I didn't see the game fortunately.....  41-9 suggests otherwise.  Trubinsky still is meh at best and missed throws from what I heard on the radio.  

 

It is an undisciplined team that has 160+ yards in penalties (a I didn't see Rex on the sideline).  Heck the Bears took a lot of penalties too and were missing their best defensive player.

 

So the Bills played well vs, a "contender" that lost to Miami for 20 minutes?????

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

21 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Strange. I saw an overmatched team with inferior offensive talent hanging with a contender up until a scoop-and-score and a fluke pick 6.

 

I guess we all perceive the world differently.

 

W = wins

 

hanging with a contender = moral victory

 

 

I'm not much of a fan of moral victories

[Wayne Arnold]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I didn't see the game fortunately.....  41-9 suggests otherwise.  Trubinsky still is meh at best and missed throws from what I heard on the radio.  

 

It is an undisciplined team that has 160+ yards in penalties (a I didn't see Rex on the sideline).  Heck the Bears took a lot of penalties too and were missing their best defensive player.

 

So the Bills played well vs, a "contender" that lost to Miami for 20 minutes?????

 

The penalty yards came on two EJ Gaines pass intereference calls. Both bombs and very ticky-tacky.

 

You should probably leave the evaluations to those who actually watched the game.

 

As for the Bears - they will unquestionably be in the playoffs this year. Hence...contender.