Did today's game take us one step closer to having a winning culture?

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Should start making a post game venting thread and lock the others.

AMEN! 

5 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

Don't let Pegula hire anymore GM's or coaches.

 

YOU want to be in charge? He dumped $1.4 BILLION dollars + into this, and you don’t want him to have a say? Well, YOU should have outbid him. Lost your chance. 

[apuszczalowski]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

By attempting to win when playoffs are out of reach, you're hurting your chances at a high draft pick, which is what we have shot ourselves in the foot with for years. 

How does a better draft position help the lockerroom culture? You realise that the guys in  the lockerroom here dont care if the Bill's get the top pick or a pick later in the draft, they want to win games and they arent going to attract the top FAs no matter how much money they have to spend if they show they value draft position over winning games.

[twoandfourteen]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

The problem is we keep firing and we dont get any better.  Do you trust ownership to get someone better?  Honest question not trying to argue.

 

I don't, but they definitely got this one wrong. 

 

So there's really no other option except hoping they trip & fall into a good decision next time. 

[BillsfaninChicago]

I think I have a case of culture shock.

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

OR, perhaps people could learn to keep their feelings confined to the NINE THOUSAND other threads with the same or similar content.

 

You know, so people don't have to wade through an avalanche of the IDENTICAL woe-is-me-look-at-my-personal-pain threads to get to actual content.

 

 

I mean... no one made you click on the thread and you sort of sound like a woe is me look at my personal pain with these posts constantly bitching about posts.

 

They're bad. They get another year in my opinion. Some want them fired, some want to see it them be given time. They're just opinions. I find it odd on something like a message board, that is designed specifically for communicating opinions. So many people would rather their be no opinions, and no threads. Of course redundancy is going to exist in opinions and threads. It's pretty simple to think it wouldn't. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[PittsforDave]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

The problem is we keep firing and we dont get any better.  Do you trust ownership to get someone better?  Honest question not trying to argue.

 

That is not a valid reason to not fire out FO. Fear shouldn’t control rational decisions. 

 

I trust the ownership.  

[swnybillsfan]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Did today's game take us one step closer to having a winning culture?

 

As a die-hard Bills fan, I have been taught that culture is more important than strategy, and that what we are building is a winning culture.  Now, I can clearly see we are not using any strategy on offense, defense or special teams, so there must be a hell of lot of culture building going on.  Someone help me out but teaching the culture building steps that happened today that my lying eyes just can't see. 

if today's loss nabs us a higher draft position, and our gm hits on those picks and brings in some real, blue chip, stud talent...then yes. yes it did bring us closer to a winning culture. unless allen turns out to be a bum. then we, just like mcbeane, are totally screwed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

Now this is an OUTSTANDING idea. Present it to management @Hapless Bills Fan

 

The "Suggestion Box" and "Customer Service" are open to input from all

[Skins Malone]

20 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I don't, but they definitely got this one wrong. 

 

So there's really no other option except hoping they trip & fall into a good decision next time. 

Is there a coach youd like them to bring in?

12 minutes ago, PittsforDave said:

 

That is not a valid reason to not fire out FO. Fear shouldn’t control rational decisions. 

 

I trust the ownership.  

You trust the owners who hired Marrone...Rex Ryan...and a coach you want fired after a year and a half...you think that's rational?

[twoandfourteen]

2 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

Is there a coach youd like them to bring in?

You trust the owners who hired Marrone...Rex Ryan...and a coach you want fired after a year and a half...you think that's rational?

 

I don't claim to know who the up-and-coming offensive coordinators are or who the hot college prospects are. All I know is that the next Sean McVay is out there somewhere and that there are people at OBD who are paid a TON of money to go find out where that person is. 

 

I will humor you though with a previous post of mine which should provide further clarification on my position. 

 

On 11/2/2018 at 7:54 PM, twoandfourteen said:

 

My plan? I'm glad you asked. 

 

I would assemble a list of candidates and the ones that utter the words "field position", "establish the run", "hard nosed", or "weather" will be immediately escorted off the premises by security. 

 

Of the remaining coaches, I would look for the guy who comes in and says "My vision is to score many, many, many points and here is how we are going to exploit the current rules to do it". That cat immediately gets the job. 

 

This really isn't hard. Stop hiring backwards coaches who are brainwashed by their own BS. Hire smart, innovative coaches who are aware that when the announcers say "and it's 4th down and the Bills will have to punt", that you don't actually HAVE to punt. 

 

Someone tell Terrence that even though I am very happy in my current career, I'd be more than happy to consider a generous offer to come and take over for a few months to sort this mess out for him. 

 

 

 

[Skins Malone]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure, but this one comes off as completely clueless offensively so just go with it? 

Honestly I dont know what to think.  I know the offense is terrible but I hate the constant coaching changings.  I think alot of it hinges on a QB.  I dont care what kind of coach you are if you dont have a competent QB success will be hard to find.  

[spartan19]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

So in other words you have no thoughts on the matter.

No, I think he meant, he doesn't get paid to fix the problems, but at least we know Beane's screen name now, have a good night Brandon.

[row_33]

Just now, Skins Malone said:

Honestly I dont know what to think.  I know the offense is terrible but I hate the constant coaching changings.  I think alot of it hinges on a QB.  I dont care what kind of coach you are if you dont have a competent QB success will be hard to find.  

 

Yes, a QB please, the most important part of the O since 1983

 

but feel free to think one knows better than the last 35 years of obvious NFL winning strategy

[PittsforDave]

2 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

Is there a coach youd like them to bring in?

You trust the owners who hired Marrone...Rex Ryan...and a coach you want fired after a year and a half...you think that's rational?

 

Rational? Of course it’s rational. It’s irrational  to think this fo has potential. 

 

Marrone is a good coach.  Rex was decent, definitely was fired a year too early. 

 

This regime, it doesn’t get any more obvious. We need to make a change. If they fired Rex after year 2, these guys need to be let go ASAP. They are MUCH worse in all aspects. 

 

Yeah there are several coaches I’d bring in. Show me this years list of candidates and I’ll give you the top 3. Typically, an agency suggests coaching candidates. 

 

 

[row_33]

Just now, PittsforDave said:

 

Rational? Of course it’s rational. It’s irrational  to think this fo has potential. 

 

Marrone is a good coach.  Rex was decent, definitely was fired a year too early. 

 

This regime, it doesn’t get any more obvious. We need to make a change. If they fired Rex after year 2, these guys need to be let go ASAP. They are MUCH worse in all aspects. 

 

Yeah there are several coaches I’d bring in. Show me this years list of candidates and I’ll give you the top 3. Typically, an agency suggests coaching candidates. 

 

 

 

Rex isn’t mature enough to not have his own way all the time

[Skins Malone]

1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

I don't claim to know who the up-and-coming offensive coordinators are or who the hot college prospects are. All I know is that the next Sean McVay is out there somewhere and that there are people at OBD who are paid a TON of money to go find out where that person is. 

 

I will humor you though with a previous post of mine which should provide further clarification on my position. 

 

 

 

The issue is QB.  None of that will happen without a competent QB.  I dont know what JA will be...at least they drafted one.  Without a QB I dont care who you bring in.  

[PittsforDave]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Rex isn’t mature enough to not have his own way all the time

Rex is a grown ***** man.  Please. 

[Skins Malone]

2 minutes ago, PittsforDave said:

 

Rational? Of course it’s rational. It’s irrational  to think this fo has potential. 

 

Marrone is a good coach.  Rex was decent, definitely was fired a year too early. 

 

This regime, it doesn’t get any more obvious. We need to make a change. If they fired Rex after year 2, these guys need to be let go ASAP. They are MUCH worse in all aspects. 

 

Yeah there are several coaches I’d bring in. Show me this years list of candidates and I’ll give you the top 3. Typically, an agency suggests coaching candidates. 

 

 

Sorry but you lost all credibility saying Rex Ryan was fired to early.  And if there are several coaches youd bring in why would I need to give you a list?  I'd their are coaches youd bring in shouldnt you know them???

[Skins Malone]

1 minute ago, PittsforDave said:

Rex is a grown ***** man.  Please. 

So grown men aren't immature?  

[GreggTX]

Sounds like we are building a fanbase of whiners to me.

[twoandfourteen]

Just now, Skins Malone said:

The issue is QB.  None of that will happen without a competent QB.  I dont know what JA will be...at least they drafted one.  Without a QB I dont care who you bring in.  

 

You won't get any argument from me on that one. 

 

I am all aboard the "Draft Justin Herbert or Drew Lock" bus. 

 

Keep drafting QBs until you find one.

[spartan19]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

Cant argue with that.  That's the issue.  We keep changing coaches and GMs thinking any of it will matter without having a competent QB.

This coach and GM thought entering the season with Nate Peterman and Allen at the helms of a team with arguably the worst line and wr core in the league was a good idea.  Maybe they should have built the offense first.

[Skins Malone]

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

You won't get any argument from me on that one. 

 

I am all aboard the "Draft Justin Herbert or Drew Lock" bus. 

 

Keep drafting QBs until you find one.

I agree.  

Just now, spartan19 said:

This coach and GM thought entering the season with Nate Peterman and Allen at the helms of a team with arguably the worst line and wr core in the league was a good idea.  Maybe they should have built the offense first.

Hard to argue with that.

[PittsforDave]

1 minute ago, Skins Malone said:

So grown men aren't immature?  

 

Men who take care of business are never immature.  

 

Rex takes care of business. 

[Skins Malone]

1 minute ago, PittsforDave said:

 

Men who take care of business are never immature.  

 

Rex takes care of business. 

Lol ok buddy.  And what's taking care of business?  Being out of coaching?  Stop acting like you know Rex Ryan personally.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Skins Malone

[PittsforDave]

1 minute ago, Skins Malone said:

Lol ok buddy.  And what's taking care of business?  Being out of coaching?

Rex is married with a family. He has a great career. 

 

Emotionally stunted males are never successful.  

 

Rex is very successful in all aspects of life. 

[Skins Malone]

3 minutes ago, PittsforDave said:

Rex is married with a family. He has a great career. 

 

Emotionally stunted males are never successful.  

 

Rex is very successful in all aspects of life. 

That depends on your definition of success.  The guys from the jersey shore are millionaires.  And being married doesnt make you mature.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Skins Malone

[PittsforDave]

3 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

That depends on your definition of success.  The guys from the jersey shore are millionaires.  And being married doesnt make you mature.

So being happy, finding love and having a family all while being a multi-millionaire isn’t your definition of success?

 

are you implying Mike, Ron, Pauly and Vinny aren’t mature or successful?

Edited November 5, 2018 by PittsforDave

[Skins Malone]

10 minutes ago, PittsforDave said:

So being happy, finding love and having a family all while being a multi-millionaire isn’t your definition of success?

 

are you implying Mike, Ron, Pauly and Vinny aren’t mature or successful?

Ok dude whatever you say.  Keep pretending you know someone when you've never met them.  And if you think Mike the situation is mature you clearly dont know anything about being mature.  But hey...we all cant be right.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Skins Malone

[PittsforDave]

4 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

Ok dude whatever you say.  Keep pretending you know someone when you've never met them.

No. I’ve never met the guys from the Jersey shore nor have implied that I know them. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by PittsforDave

[Skins Malone]

1 minute ago, PittsforDave said:

No. I’ve never met the guys from the Jersey shore or have implied that I know them. 

Bye Dave keep pushing for McD to get fired but think RR deserved more time lol.  A guy who took a top 5 defense and drove it into the ground lol.  God people are clueless.

[Captain Murica]

This is the type of loss that molds franchises into championship caliber ones.

 

The Narrator: It’s not. 

[PittsforDave]

Just now, Skins Malone said:

Bye Dave keep pushing for McD to get fired but think RR deserved more time lol.  A guy who took a top 5 defense and drove it into the ground lol.  God people are clueless.

 

Yeah man, have a good night. I agree though, people are clueless. 

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, Skins Malone said:

Instead of whining why dont you give us your solution to the problem.

Don't tank

[Success]

As an old timer, I can offer the benefit of experience in this.

 

We did not have a winning culture in the 80s.  It may be hard to believe, but things felt worse than they do now.

 

Then, we went to 4 straight Superbowls.

 

Take from that what you will.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The Bills made me have bad poo poo today.

[Skins Malone]

4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The Bills made me have bad poo poo today.

The Hershey Squirts?

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, Skins Malone said:

Is there a coach youd like them to bring in?

You trust the owners who hired Marrone...Rex Ryan...and a coach you want fired after a year and a half...you think that's rational?

 

You're ignorant, they didn't hire marrone. 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Did today's game take us one step closer to having a winning culture?

 

As a die-hard Bills fan, I have been taught that culture is more important than strategy, and that what we are building is a winning culture.  Now, I can clearly see we are not using any strategy on offense, defense or special teams, so there must be a hell of lot of culture building going on.  Someone help me out but teaching the culture building steps that happened today that my lying eyes just can't see. 

 

Dame dude, you need therapy for this season.  You just don’t stop.  Any docs in the house that can send this dude some Valium to get through the season?

Edited November 5, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Skins Malone]

13 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You're ignorant, they didn't hire marrone. 

Oh well that makes it all better.  They only hired RR and a coach everyone wants fired after a year and a half.  Yet everyone thinks the next guy they hire will be better...ok

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Dame dude, you need therapy for this season.  You just don’t stop.  Any docs in the house that can send this dude some Valium to get through the season?

I'm not a Dr.  But I did stay at a Motel 6 last night.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Skins Malone