Scott7975 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Bills fans lamenting about a guy not being ejected when that part of the rule has never been enforced yet. (Or at least it isn’t able be googled) I never once said he didn’t deserve to get the penalty! I have consistently said the penalty would be the same. They are not going kick out a star player in a close game in the NFL EVER!! It will be some no name or person like Burfect that everyone hates. (Also outside of Buffalo (and obviously NE) Edelman considered a little punk but not dirty.. ) Learn to google... Quote Williams ejected as new NFL helmet hit rule makes impact Quote Colts' Shamarko Thomas becomes first NFL player ejected for new helmet hit rule If the rule doesn't apply to everyone (star or scrub) then the rule is worthless and doesn't live up to its intent. Rules cant favor players because of who they are. They are designed to keep the game fair and the players safe. If you think otherwise then you are part of the problem in this country. Edited October 31, 2018 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Learn to google... I see unlike the other poster you didn’t bother put in Pre Season... I stand by what I said Pre season doesn’t matter or count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Trevathan hit on Adams should have warranted ejection in retrospect. Same helmet-to-helmet, defenseless player rationale. He was suspended for 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I see unlike the other poster you didn’t bother put in Pre Season... I stand by what I said Pre season doesn’t matter or count. What difference does it make? The rule exists. It has been enforced. For times like Edelman it should be used. That is why it exists. Player safety. It was a scumbag move and if scumbag moves aren't enforced properly then players will continue to be scumbags. This is not about a Pats thing or Edelman thing for me. I think your team is outstanding and I wish we could get back to that. I would say the same thing about Edelman if he was on our team and pulled a scumbag move. There is no room in football for this type of crap. The NFL makes all these rules and calls ticky tack ***** that shouldn't be called all the time... but doesn't enforce the things that should be. Edited October 31, 2018 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Bills fans lamenting about a guy not being ejected when that part of the rule has never been enforced yet. (Or at least it isn’t able be googled) I never once said he didn’t deserve to get the penalty! I have consistently said the penalty would be the same. They are not going kick out a star player in a close game in the NFL EVER!! It will be some no name or person like Burfect that everyone hates. (Also outside of Buffalo (and obviously NE) Edelman considered a little punk but not dirty.. ) Awesome! So was a no name player in preseason... I just don’t think the NFL wants it called on a star player in a tight game. I also think the refs missed it. (They missed a lot Monday night). Be interesting see if he gets a fine or not. Again i I am not saying he shouldn’t be penalized for it, I just think IMO expecting an ejection was reasonable. The evidence proves they don’t do that YET. It doesn't have so much to do with Edelman as it does with the league not knowing what to do. The Execs are hopeless in responding to issues, or responding to issues that aren't there for some. They only made the rule change to show face for "protecting" players, but even they have no idea how to write the rule, or how to enforce it, and likely don't care enough to actually follow through with ejections and fines. But considering how the roughing the passer penalty calls changed and fines were levied, I'd be very surprised if Edelman doesn't get a fine here. Edited October 31, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, ctk232 said: It doesn't have so much to do with Edelman as it does with the league not knowing what to do. The Execs are hopeless in responding to issues, or responding to issues that aren't there for some. They only made the rule change to show face for "protecting" players, but even they have no idea how to write the rule, or how to enforce it, and likely don't care enough to actually follow through with ejections and fines. But considering how the roughing the passer penalty calls changed and fines were levied, I'd be very surprised if Edelman doesn't get a fine here. ^^ I agree with this 100%!! The league doesn’t care but by having this rule on the books it protects them from even legal action down the road.. 6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: What difference does it make? The rule exists. It has been enforced. For times like Edelman it should be used. That is why it exists. Player safety. It was a scumbag move and if scumbag moves aren't enforced properly then players will continue to be scumbags. This is not about a Pats thing or Edelman thing for me. I think your team is outstanding and I wish we could get back to that. I would say the same thing about Edelman if he was on our team and pulled a scumbag move. There is no room in football for this type of crap. The NFL makes all these rules and calls ticky tack ***** that shouldn't be called all the time... but doesn't enforce the things that should be. I understand what your saying, and believe it or not I don’t think we are far off. I believe the rule will never be really enforced, they did it some in pre season, and probably do it again a few more pre seasons but when the games count they do not want the refs throwing anyone out. The rule just there make them look good and get good PR. in college, Edelman be kicked out. I only see this rule ever being enforced on names you need to google find out who they are. (Well maybe Burfict Lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: ^^ I agree with this 100%!! The league doesn’t care but by having this rule on the books it protects them from even legal action down the road.. You think having a rule protects them from 'legal action down the road'? Christ guy how dumb are you? Do you sign those dumbass waivers and then when your family gets slaughtered by the bungee cord breaking you just shake your head and say 'well shucks, I did agree to hold them not liable'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: You think having a rule protects them from 'legal action down the road'? Christ guy how dumb are you? Do you sign those dumbass waivers and then when your family gets slaughtered by the bungee cord breaking you just shake your head and say 'well shucks, I did agree to hold them not liable'? Name calling classy.. No but your example is piss poor! Youbsee that waiver protects them from NORMAL accidents the bungee cord breaking is negligence and voids said contract. Maybe you should read up a bit on the law. But if say a family member breaks an arm because they stretched their arms out.. guess what yourbshit out of luck as you signed the waiver and that was their own dang fault. The rule in the eyes of a jury say 20 years out gives the elusion of the NFL trying to protect players.. being able point out say a dozen or so suspended (preseason) showed it was enforced.. thus possibly proving to a jury do diligence to protect the players. Nothing fully protects anyone as juries decisions are unpredictable but it definitely strengthens their defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: ^^ I agree with this 100%!! The league doesn’t care but by having this rule on the books it protects them from even legal action down the road.. Yep, infinite PR and legal ramifications avoided there, sadly often to the detriment of various plays and games. The only thing I keep coming back to here is that Edelman's action wasn't in making a tackle, or football play really. He didn't need to block the guy, nor could he after calling the fair catch so the fact that he did on any level is against the rules itself (which I get was the called penalty). I can see it going either way, but for me it's the non-football action (i.e. making a tackle, inadvertent contact, etc.) in relation to targeting that keeps me on the fence. The vehemence here is amplified by the fact it was Edelman and the Pats, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said: Name calling classy.. No but your example is piss poor! Youbsee that waiver protects them from NORMAL accidents the bungee cord breaking is negligence and voids said contract. Maybe you should read up a bit on the law. But if say a family member breaks an arm because they stretched their arms out.. guess what yourbshit out of luck as you signed the waiver and that was their own dang fault. The rule in the eyes of a jury say 20 years out gives the elusion of the NFL trying to protect players.. being able point out say a dozen or so suspended (preseason) showed it was enforced.. thus possibly proving to a jury do diligence to protect the players. Nothing fully protects anyone as juries decisions are unpredictable but it definitely strengthens their defense. Username checks out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 hours ago, thebandit27 said: That's what he does. He's a scum bag. Part of the mind game. When you are a scrappy competitor you learn pretty young to outwork the guys in front of you but not to forget to mentally fatigue the ones coming up behind you. The Bills are that kid trying to join to get to that level and it's good strategy from a hardened competitor to pick and choose dirty shots like that or the Gronk hit last year to fluster the Bills. The right play for the Bills is to take it as a sign that the Pats are actually concerned about them..............it's not disrespect it's part of the gameplan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) put him on any other team and he's literally never heard of. He should thank his lucky stars that he has Tom Brady throwing to him. He would not even make an NFL roster without Brady. He's a skinny douche with almost no muscle mass. I've been in the same room as him before and I looked like more of an NFL player than he did. He's tiny. Edited October 31, 2018 by Plano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Remind me to be sad next time he gets a concussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Do we not always find it most entertaining/hilarious when the Pats lose and b*tch about dirty play? Hilarious.? So just know that your angry b*tching about that little cheap shot just makes it that much more entertaining for Pats fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Part of the mind game. When you are a scrappy competitor you learn pretty young to outwork the guys in front of you but not to forget to mentally fatigue the ones coming up behind you. The Bills are that kid trying to join to get to that level and it's good strategy from a hardened competitor to pick and choose dirty shots like that or the Gronk hit last year to fluster the Bills. The right play for the Bills is to take it as a sign that the Pats are actually concerned about them..............it's not disrespect it's part of the gameplan. you believe the Gronk hit on Tre white was calculated in any way? WOW the levels that we have gone to in our Patriot folklore! I didn't think you were susceptible to such things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I apologize for not doing my own research, but did anyone ask McDermott about this play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: you believe the Gronk hit on Tre white was calculated in any way? WOW the levels that we have gone to in our Patriot folklore! I didn't think you were susceptible to such things? I believe he thought about it first. It was well after the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/6/17773282/nfl-helmet-rule-explained-rulebook-penalty-replay Quote from article "Patriots coach Bill Belichick said the team has never coached players to tackle with the crown of their helmet because it’s ineffective, and that the rule change won’t affect the way the New England coaching staff handles its business." Right ... but this wasn't tackling, this was part of the intimidation process https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/06/new-nfl-helmet-lowering-rule-changes-explained Quote from article "Plays subject to ejection include when a player has an "unobstructed path" to his opponent or "contact was clearly avoidable," but the player chose to lower his head and use his helmet." Blocking a player after a fair catch, immediately being "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" (not unnecessary roughness as PatsFanNH likes to keep saying incorrectly) would seem to be the perfect example of the wording of the rule from the SI article ... unobstructed path & contact was clearly unavoidable. Yes, PatsFanNH, he was called for one penalty. He should have been called for both (to include unnecessary roughness) and immediately ejected because of the obvious way in which his actions followed precisely how the rule was written. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 That’s just dirty crap, and yes I believe you’d get tossed for that in college. On a side note, I’m glad we have a little hate left over for the other team. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I believe he thought about it first. It was well after the play. Not saying thought about it. It seemed it was implied that it was an organizational strategy as opposed to an emotional reaction by a dumb Neanderthal of a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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